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Old 05-25-2013, 09:12 AM   #31
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Old 05-25-2013, 09:19 AM   #32
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I have some jobs that have over 10 grand in parts and then the labor to finish off the project. I usually do a small percentage. 1% or so of the total.
That's why I said "most normal" jobs. The majority of my tickets are under $500. My supply charge is not exact, but it is based on what I actually used. As stated, I can't itemize every fluid ounce of chemical, or every terminal and zip tie. How much does one zip tie cost?

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That's why I said "most normal" jobs. The majority of my tickets are under $500. My supply charge is not exact, but it is based on what I actually used. As stated, I can't itemize every fluid ounce of chemical, or every terminal and zip tie. How much does one zip tie cost?
Not enough to spend 2 minutes to write it down, thats how much.
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I thought you were done riding that horse Bob? You see me almost every week at work. Were you counting the empty Plasti-Dip cans in the trash?
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Not enough to spend 2 minutes to write it down, thats how much.
Exactly. Zip ties, for example, are purchased thousands at a time. I don't remember how much I paid last year for a thousand zip ties, and even if I did, I never calculated the individual cost..
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Our shop does 10% or $10 on shop fees plus there's no shop fee on minor maintainece like Oil Changes, Tire rotaions etc. I feel thats fair even thogh I'm sure if I really tracked it were loosing money on shop supplies.

Labor rates in this area are controlled by Insurance companies, the State Dealership Association and the Manufactuarer ( if you don't meet all their Customer Satisfaction and Training Standards your required charge a lower rate ) we also have different rates depending on the job. Maintainence has the lowest rate, light mechanical is next, heavy mechanical then electrical and driveability the most. We do this so the Customer isnt overcharged for the easy jobs and yet we can still afford to pay our Top Techs fairly for the difficult work they do.

The business is a lot more complicated than the average customer understands.....we actually have some customers that believe Techs are paid over a $100 per hour
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Exactly. Zip ties, for example, are purchased thousands at a time. I don't remember how much I paid last year for a thousand zip ties, and even if I did, I never calculated the individual cost..
Yes, this is why i dont write crap like that down, my co worker on the other hand... Every single thing is wrote down, dude spends more time filling out parts lists, time sheets and walking around eating cans of tuna fish all day than he does working and when he does work its at a snails pace.
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Our shop does 10% or $10 on shop fees plus there's no shop fee on minor maintainece like Oil Changes, Tire rotaions etc. I feel thats fair even thogh I'm sure if I really tracked it were loosing money on shop supplies.

Labor rates in this area are controlled by Insurance companies, the State Dealership Association and the Manufactuarer ( if you don't meet all their Customer Satisfaction and Training Standards your required charge a lower rate ) we also have different rates depending on the job. Maintainence has the lowest rate, light mechanical is next, heavy mechanical then electrical and driveability the most. We do this so the Customer isnt overcharged for the easy jobs and yet we can still afford to pay our Top Techs fairly for the difficult work they do.

The business is a lot more complicated than the average customer understands.....we actually have some customers that believe Techs are paid over a $100 per hour
I think we would have a hard time doing the percentage thing. Some of our builds are 75k and more. Could you imagine the customer getting a bill for $7500 for nuts n bolts. They would shit their pants.
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Our shop does 10% or $10 on shop fees plus there's no shop fee on minor maintainece like Oil Changes, Tire rotaions etc. I feel thats fair even thogh I'm sure if I really tracked it were loosing money on shop supplies.

Labor rates in this area are controlled by Insurance companies, the State Dealership Association and the Manufactuarer ( if you don't meet all their Customer Satisfaction and Training Standards your required charge a lower rate ) we also have different rates depending on the job. Maintainence has the lowest rate, light mechanical is next, heavy mechanical then electrical and driveability the most. We do this so the Customer isnt overcharged for the easy jobs and yet we can still afford to pay our Top Techs fairly for the difficult work they do.

The business is a lot more complicated than the average customer understands.....we actually have some customers that believe Techs are paid over a $100 per hour
I don't charge supply fees on LOF or minor repairs. In other words, if I don't use enough supplies to warrant it, I don't charge for it. One thing I might have to change though is waste disposal for used oil. I do not charge for that, but it's not cheap when the waste oil tank gets emptied. I remember when the waste company actually paid for the used oil, but, things are different now.

And yes, just because I charge $85 an hour, doesn't mean I make $85 an hour..Contrary to some beliefs.
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I don't charge supply fees on LOF or minor repairs. In other words, if I don't use enough supplies to warrant it, I don't charge for it. One thing I might have to change though is waste disposal for used oil. I do not charge for that, but it's not cheap when the waste oil tank gets emptied. I remember when the waste company actually paid for the used oil, but, things are different now.

And yes, just because I charge $85 an hour, doesn't mean I make $85 an hour..Contrary to some beliefs.
Waste oil furnace???
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Waste oil furnace???
I don't have one, no. I don't have room for one. I have a 500 gal. underground waste oil tank. And yes, it is monitored.
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I don't have one, no. I don't have room for one. I have a 500 gal. underground waste oil tank. And yes, it is monitored.
Need to find some of those diesel junkies that burn that crap in their enormous trucks!
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I think we would have a hard time doing the percentage thing. Some of our builds are 75k and more. Could you imagine the customer getting a bill for $7500 for nuts n bolts. They would shit their pants.
I just kinda assumened everyone would realize thats $10 or 10% whichever is less.....I guess that makes both of us azz's huh?
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I think we would have a hard time doing the percentage thing. Some of our builds are 75k and more. Could you imagine the customer getting a bill for $7500 for nuts n bolts. They would shit their pants.
Not at all, no one says you have to charge 10%. How about 1%, or even half of 1%?

I keep a rough mental tally and adjust the percentage accordingly. If I burn up a lot of flap discs, brake cleaner, and disposables because someone put 30 coats of Duplicolor rattle can bedliner on their frame (true), then I bump it up a few points.

It's not an exact science but as you go through a build, you develop of sense of where it is on the overall scale of things you've done before and it hurts no one to react accordingly.
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Great program I wish more youngsters would do the same, there really is a severe shortage of quality young Techs.
True here. Probably true everywhere. Sad.
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FYI to the OP.

I replaced mine with a unit I bought off ebay for $100. Me and a buddy changed it out in about 3 hours. We took out time as it was our first working on a Jeep engine. A couple of the nuts on the underside were tough, but not too tough.

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