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Old 08-26-2013, 02:17 PM   #1
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Holy crap batman...

So, my ZONE 3" lift with nitro shocks arrived on Friday. I could hardly contain myself. i opened the box just to get a whiff of that new metal smell. Started the install at 4pm on Sunday evening and here's my initial observation...NEVER AGAIN. What an enormous pain in the ass. I finally had to shut down the shop at 11pm and at that point i was only about 70% complete with just the front. This is not a ZONE issue, it's a 16 year old jeep issue. EVERYTHING, i mean everything on the suspension is corroded in place. It took me a solid hour to get through step 1, which was disconnecting the track bar. After hitting it with PB, an impact wrench and a breaker bar i finally just gave up and started crying. I finally progressed passed step 1 only to find that everything else after that was just as bad. I had to cut my shocks off with a sawzall for Pete's sake.

I woke up this morning around 3am just frustrated and pissed that i wasn't able to complete the lift....again with uncontrollable sobbing. That's when it hit me. I'm in deep fellas, it's really bad...

MY NAME IS ROB and I'M ADDICTED TO JEEPING. I love to wheel, i love to wrench and occasionally i talk dirty to her. I'm going to need some sort of 12 step program.

Side note: planning to finish the lift this evening (fingers crossed) and will post a few before/afters

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Know this feeling all too well. Before anything I'll be coating the bolts in liquid wrench/pb for the week before hand and when the time comes I'll just try and break every bolt loose before even thinking about taking something off (ie spin the bolt, but don't hold the nut, spray more pb, try to actually take if off later). Has treated me well so far.

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It'll get easier. The more of the old, junky hardware and parts that go in the trash, the easier the Jeep will be to to work on (assuming you don't let the new parts rot away). Replace old hardware with fresh hardware.....just think of it as a good opportunity. And the more you learn and understand, the more proficient you'll get.

I've been doing this stuff for a long time and it took me every bit of 15 hours this weekend installing a full Currie suspension on another WF member's TJ.....that's something I can basically do blindfolded and it still took me the better part of two days.

What matters is doing it right and not trying to rush. The end result is worth it when a Jeep drives better than you ever thought was possible.
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So, my ZONE 3" lift with nitro shocks arrived on Friday. I could hardly contain myself. i opened the box just to get a whiff of that new metal smell. Started the install at 4pm on Sunday evening and here's my initial observation...NEVER AGAIN. What an enormous pain in the ass. I finally had to shut down the shop at 11pm and at that point i was only about 70% complete with just the front. This is not a ZONE issue, it's a 16 year old jeep issue. EVERYTHING, i mean everything on the suspension is corroded in place. It took me a solid hour to get through step 1, which was disconnecting the track bar. After hitting it with PB, an impact wrench and a breaker bar i finally just gave up and started crying. I finally progressed passed step 1 only to find that everything else after that was just as bad. I had to cut my shocks off with a sawzall for Pete's sake.

I woke up this morning around 3am just frustrated and pissed that i wasn't able to complete the lift....again with uncontrollable sobbing. That's when it hit me. I'm in deep fellas, it's really bad...

MY NAME IS ROB and I'M ADDICTED TO JEEPING. I love to wheel, i love to wrench and occasionally i talk dirty to her. I'm going to need some sort of 12 step program.

Side note: planning to finish the lift this evening (fingers crossed) and will post a few before/afters
Did you really think parts on a 16 year old vehicle of any type would be cake to work on.
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Old 08-26-2013, 02:32 PM   #5
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@carolina... Do you even lift bro...haha, love your signature. I train through the pain everyday
@atthehop... Yes! Yes i did. I treat my rig with nothing but respect, is it too much to ask that she reciprocate...what a bitch!
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[what a bitch![/QUOTE]
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I hate broken bolts, seized rusty bolts, and long springs.
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I hate broken bolts, seized rusty bolts, and long springs.
I'd battle a bolt all day long as long as it doesn't snap I'll consider it a victory.
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Anytime I'm working on suspension, I shoot the bolts with PB blaster twice a day for a few days, just to give me an edge. And that doesn't always work. Two weeks ago while replacing my rear shocks, one of the upper bolts snapped. My neighbor and I spent about 2 hours knocking the welded nut off with a crow bar and BFH.

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Old 08-26-2013, 03:25 PM   #10
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I heat them with a blowtorch. Works really well.
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Old 08-26-2013, 03:36 PM   #11
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So, my ZONE 3" lift with nitro shocks arrived on Friday. I could hardly contain myself. i opened the box just to get a whiff of that new metal smell. Started the install at 4pm on Sunday evening and here's my initial observation...NEVER AGAIN. What an enormous pain in the ass. I finally had to shut down the shop at 11pm and at that point i was only about 70% complete with just the front. This is not a ZONE issue, it's a 16 year old jeep issue. EVERYTHING, i mean everything on the suspension is corroded in place. It took me a solid hour to get through step 1, which was disconnecting the track bar. After hitting it with PB, an impact wrench and a breaker bar i finally just gave up and started crying. I finally progressed passed step 1 only to find that everything else after that was just as bad. I had to cut my shocks off with a sawzall for Pete's sake.

I woke up this morning around 3am just frustrated and pissed that i wasn't able to complete the lift....again with uncontrollable sobbing. That's when it hit me. I'm in deep fellas, it's really bad...

MY NAME IS ROB and I'M ADDICTED TO JEEPING. I love to wheel, i love to wrench and occasionally i talk dirty to her. I'm going to need some sort of 12 step program.

Side note: planning to finish the lift this evening (fingers crossed) and will post a few before/afters

Its called HEAT dude. MAP gas or a torch.....heat all the bolts up till they are red hot and they come off with ease. Simple as that.
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Old 08-26-2013, 03:46 PM   #12
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Its called HEAT dude. MAP gas or a torch.....heat all the bolts up till they are red hot and they come off with ease. Simple as that.
Sooooo, are you saying that a healthy dose of crying will get me nowhere.

What's funny is that the universe has a way of taking you to the edge. Just when i'm ready to say to F*CK IT, i would make a little progress and that would hold me over for another half an hour or so. I really do like wrenching.

I will say this, the next house I buy will have a garage with 15' ceilings and a hydraulic lift. Trying to man-handle a rusty bolt while on laying my side, under my rig wearing my high school gym shorts and a pair of crocs is just no way to exude masculinity.
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PB Blast and Kroil

There are no other substitutes for breaking things free. Heat doesn't count by the way. Start hitting the parts with one of these two a few days prior to working on stuff and you'll be a happy Jeeper. Trust in Verf
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Sooooo, are you saying that a healthy dose of crying will get me nowhere.

What's funny is that the universe has a way of taking you to the edge. Just when i'm ready to say to F*CK IT, i would make a little progress and that would hold me over for another half an hour or so. I really do like wrenching.

I will say this, the next house I buy will have a garage with 15' ceilings and a hydraulic lift. Trying to man-handle a rusty bolt while on laying my side, under my rig wearing my high school gym shorts and a pair of crocs is just no way to exude masculinity.
Any man that wears crocs loses their masculinity. Time to hand in that man card.
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Old 08-26-2013, 04:07 PM   #15
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Any man that wears crocs loses their masculinity. Time to hand in that man card.
Lovemachine (possible man card violation for the name) are you telling me that you've never slipped your foot into a fresh pair of airy neoprene goodness..aka Crocs. They are awesome. Name another shoe (i use that term lightly) that you can mow it, wrench in, watersport in (they float), go to church in (non denominational contemporary service of course), and then rinse off with a garden hose.

Holy sh*t, forget bedliner...i'm going to neoprene my entire jeep.
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Lovemachine is an awesome name.

And I wear Red Wing Boots. Wear them at work, I have a pair of everyday boots, and have a nice pair of Red Wing Boots/shoes to wear to church.

I ride 4-wheelers and dirt bikes in those boots, I wheel in those boots, and I shoot in those boots.
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Anti seize I your best friend before putting on new or upgraded parts!

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Old 08-26-2013, 04:41 PM   #18
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Lovemachine (possible man card violation for the name) are you telling me that you've never slipped your foot into a fresh pair of airy neoprene goodness..aka Crocs. They are awesome. Name another shoe (i use that term lightly) that you can mow it, wrench in, watersport in (they float), go to church in (non denominational contemporary service of course), and then rinse off with a garden hose.

Holy sh*t, forget bedliner...i'm going to neoprene my entire jeep.
Bighamms - you are one funny MF'er. I mean that with nothing but respect...

Although I am partial to my Keen Newport sandals, which I was told by one of my wife's friends were "gay"....
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Holy shit this thread got off topic LOL
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I'd battle a bolt all day long as long as it doesn't snap I'll consider it a victory.
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Old 08-26-2013, 05:06 PM   #21
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EEEeeeeewwwwwww K.... The hillbilly cant pass on this one...

Crocs=loss of mancard
Red wings=bonus points on man card
Heat...+1
Lovemachine... awesome name (very progressive and unisex)


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Antiseize, like grease, attracts and holds dirt and grime. Using it very sparingly in suitable places is OK but I'm definitely not all about slathering every bolt with it. Keep threads clean, keep bolts fresh, and don't let it sit for weeks after wheeling with no care. If you truly don't want fasteners to become seized, they require movement and attention every now and again.
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Antiseize, like grease, attracts and holds dirt and grime. Using it very sparingly in suitable places is OK but I'm definitely not all about slathering every bolt with it. Keep threads clean, keep bolts fresh, and don't let it sit for weeks after wheeling with no care. If you truly don't want fasteners to become seized, they require movement and attention every now and again.
Agree, your a man of wisdom
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Antiseize, like grease, attracts and holds dirt and grime. Using it very sparingly in suitable places is OK but I'm definitely not all about slathering every bolt with it. Keep threads clean, keep bolts fresh, and don't let it sit for weeks after wheeling with no care. If you truly don't want fasteners to become seized, they require movement and attention every now and again.
It does, but dirt and grime aren't going to get into the internal threads when torqued down. I am a firm believer of anti seize on ALL the bolts underneath the frame and tub. It should be done by all. Ive snapped off too many bolts that didn't have anti seize on em.......bolts that wouldn't have snapped off with it on.
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Hooboy; i expect to hear back soon how those upper rear shock bolts went...
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You mean those rear shock bolts that don't have enough head on them to get a wrench on after a few years in the land of salt?
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Hooboy; i expect to hear back soon how those upper rear shock bolts went...
$175 later I had to get a freelance buddy of mine to knock off the weld nuts on the driver side. 2/4 overall isn't too bad I guess?
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Been there don't that lol! About to start on my lift once my 8.8 is all ready to bolt up so ill be doing it once again!

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