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Old 06-23-2014, 05:50 PM   #1
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How did you like your Zone 4.25" lift? info needed

I am seriously considering Zones 4.25"lift offered on this site. What I need to know is hydro or nitro shocks? What else will I need to buy for this installation?
Im new to jeeps and was concerned with the fact that I would be changing the angle of the transfer case which does away with the need to drop the tran case to keep the drive train angles inline. Will this affect the tran case ability to lubricate internally or am I being paranoid?
Also do I want the front sway bar links or the disconnects since it seems I will have a choice? Whats the biggest difference in the two types?
The 4.25 is a 1"body 3" suspension lift. Would I be better off buying Zones 4" suspension lift since its the same price as ther 4.25" body/suspension lift?

If any of you have used either the 4.25" or the 4" lift offered by zone id appreciate your comments.

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4.25" kit is a better option for your needs as it sounds like you have a budget. you would be adding close to a grand to the 4" kit to not have vibes or a TC drop.

I dont see a reason to spend the extra cash on the shocks, the base ones run very well. there is no negetive affect on internal lubrication from altering the TC angle a bit.

In order to completely eliminate drive line vibes, i did have to add 2 large fender washers to each TC bolt. roughly .25". it also gets your skid away from the frame rails, which is a known rust issue and makes it easier to keep mud out of there

i recommend ext links over the discos, if anything, drop the extra cash and get an antirock when you can. the extended links come with the kit.

the only difference between discos and extended links is that you can pull a pin with discos and be disconnected in the front, with the extended links you have to remove a single bolt on each side to be disconnected. not worth the extra cash IMO as disconnecting your front sway bar is not a great option and having a quality sway bar like an AR gives a lot more stability off-road

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I would echo what Ironhead Jed suggested with two differences. If you offroad, but never plan on spending the $'s on the Antirock, I would spend the little extra to get the discos, or make them yourself. If you want to disconnect and reconnect, it sure beats getting tools out to do it. I would also think about picking up a good adjustable track bar like this one from Metalcloak TJ/LJ Jeep Wrangler Solid Chromoly Front Track Bar. Although you can install the kit using your stock track bar, you must redrill the axle side bolt in a weaker part of the bracket. Using an adjustable track bar enables you to use the stock hole location and metalcloak gives you the most clearance of any of them.
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Old 06-23-2014, 09:56 PM   #4
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Thanks guys I greatly appreciate the info.
Jed I assume the washers you spoke of is to keep the tran case at the tilted angle needed to for the drive line. Makes sense, otherwise when I bolted it back in it would tend to pull back level. I think!! Either way ill find out soon enuff.
Your correct about my budget though.
One other question though, if I want to change things in the future how difficult is it to get the zone kit to work with new changes in suspension?
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For the most part it's shocks and springs. It's very easy to add control arms or track bars or anything else. That's why I bought the kit for my gf, it's a great starting point
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In order to completely eliminate drive line vibes, i did have to add 2 large fender washers to each TC bolt. roughly .25".
When we installed the Zone 4.25 combo lift in my son's Jeep, we had a minor vibe at first, and found it to be a marginal transmission mount that seemed to work fine at the lesser drive line line angle, but once the drive line angle was increased by the lift, it put more strain (movement) on the mount. Replacing the mount solved his vibes. I've seen basically the same thing happen with u-joints that were just starting to wear. The steeper drive line angles can kind of bring out the worst in other worn parts.

Not saying that's you're issue, just saying, it might be worth checking.
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Old 06-24-2014, 09:44 AM   #7
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When we installed the Zone 4.25 combo lift in my son's Jeep, we had a minor vibe at first, and found it to be a marginal transmission mount that seemed to work fine at the lesser drive line line angle, but once the drive line angle was increased by the lift, it put more strain (movement) on the mount. Replacing the mount solved his vibes. I've seen basically the same thing happen with u-joints that were just starting to wear. The steeper drive line angles can kind of bring out the worst in other worn parts.

Not saying that's you're issue, just saying, it might be worth checking.
thats a very good point, and would be a nice time to add a lopro to make the angles even less
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Old 06-24-2014, 01:35 PM   #8
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I have had the kit for 1.5 years and absolutely love it and recommend it.

The only thing extra I had to buy was a $10 pleather shiftboot from autozone for the manual trans. I recommend the white hydro shocks for the smooth on road ride, but they still do great offroad.

Oh, and I ordered the kit without the quickdisconnects...as I made my own for just a few $$.
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I am seriously considering Zones 4.25"lift offered on this site. What I need to know is hydro or nitro shocks? What else will I need to buy for this installation?
Im new to jeeps and was concerned with the fact that I would be changing the angle of the transfer case which does away with the need to drop the tran case to keep the drive train angles inline. Will this affect the tran case ability to lubricate internally or am I being paranoid?
Also do I want the front sway bar links or the disconnects since it seems I will have a choice? Whats the biggest difference in the two types?
The 4.25 is a 1"body 3" suspension lift. Would I be better off buying Zones 4" suspension lift since its the same price as ther 4.25" body/suspension lift?

If any of you have used either the 4.25" or the 4" lift offered by zone id appreciate your comments.
Where on here are you getting the lift. I have been thinking about upgrading
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Old 06-24-2014, 10:40 PM   #10
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Where on here are you getting the lift. I have been thinking about upgrading
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ZONE 4.25" combo lift for TJ available at Rockridge4wd WITH FREE SHIPPING!!

its the Rockridge site vendor
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My son and I just installed the Zone 4.25" combo lift this weekend on his 2000 TJ. It is a nice kit for the money however when we test drove it there were significant drive line vibes. I PMed Water Dog knowing that he had experience with this kit and he offered me the same advice regarding the trans mount. Upon inspection the mount is good and both drive shafts were recently rebuilt with spicer ujoints. Unfortunately we had to drop the tcase skid 1" to eliminate them. This was a quick fix because we have a wheeling trip this weekend and I had 1" spacers on hand. I'm confident we can cut the drop at least in half with some test and tune. From research it seems we are the exception rather than the norm so good luck.
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I've had this for going on 2 years and it is a nice entry level lift kit. Easy to install over a weekend, did it all myself with no help. I was lucky and had no vibes after install. Some parts of the install were a little tricky, like the mml, the rear track bar bracket, and the steering spacer gave me issues. Rides awesome on the road with the hydro shocks. Now offroad, it seems way too bouncy to me and that's where the nitro shocks would probably be better. I would recommend an adjustable front track bar like JKS or something. I hate the sway bar links though, they seem cheap. I will be upgrading to JKS disconnects or just go with an antirock.

But for the price, the quality, it's a great starting point and gets you rolling on 33's.
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My son and I just installed the Zone 4.25" combo lift this weekend on his 2000 TJ. It is a nice kit for the money however when we test drove it there were significant drive line vibes. I PMed Water Dog knowing that he had experience with this kit and he offered me the same advice regarding the trans mount. Upon inspection the mount is good and both drive shafts were recently rebuilt with spicer ujoints. Unfortunately we had to drop the tcase skid 1" to eliminate them. This was a quick fix because we have a wheeling trip this weekend and I had 1" spacers on hand. I'm confident we can cut the drop at least in half with some test and tune. From research it seems we are the exception rather than the norm so good luck.
hit the hardware store and get some big thick fender washers. loosen all six skid bolts with the skid on a jack and drop one bolt out at a time and replace the spacer with washers. you can try one at first and go up from there. it really only takes about 20 min to swap out spacers for a few large fender washers and will give you a decent amount of clearance
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Hey guys I just wanted to say thank you for all the information you've shared with me. Im pretty happy with my decision to go with this lift at this point. I just hope I have as much success with it as yall have. Ill start a build thread with pics for anyone interested in buying this kit in the future.
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do yourself a favor, get some Kroil or liquid wrench and start soaking the bolts now. hit them once a day. the most important ones are the rear upper shock bolts, they have a tendency to snap off. after that I would say the worst ones are the top mount for the front socks, as they can spin inside the shock body
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One thing I would've changed in the kit, a bit of an angle on the rear track bar relocation bracket. Seemed to be in a bind during installation.
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Old 06-25-2014, 09:18 AM   #18
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hit the hardware store and get some big thick fender washers. loosen all six skid bolts with the skid on a jack and drop one bolt out at a time and replace the spacer with washers. you can try one at first and go up from there. it really only takes about 20 min to swap out spacers for a few large fender washers and will give you a decent amount of clearance
I will soon. This is super temporary. He leaves for Marine basic in a week and a half, just getting one more wheeling trip before he's gone. Trails will be mostly fire roads so clearance shouldn't be much of an issue. While he's away I'll have tons of time to dial it in for him.
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This is what I run and have enjoyed it immensely. She does well off roading and has got me out of some tough spots. On road she handles really well, that is after I had to replace the front track bar. Plus I can keep the suspension but upgrade other items as needed further down the road . Its one I would recommend, even if it is on the cheaper end of kits.
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I do believe I just found a ford 8.8 rear end with 3.55s and locker for $300.00 what you guys think should I snap it up for a later on 8.8 swap?
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You can typical find 8.8s for closer to $200. That one for $300 would be a excellent deal if it already has the TJ conversion kit welded on.
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You can typical find 8.8s for closer to $200. That one for $300 would be a excellent deal if it already has the TJ conversion kit welded on.

I was thinking more along the lines of maybe being able to reuse the locker and regear lower. Save the money for a locking diff . With my luck its perfect except for the busted casing or some other complete disaster
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Are you sure it's locked? Many 8.8s came from factory with an lsd and can also be found with disc brakes and 4.10 gears. I've seen several for around $150 at local junkyards
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Are you sure it's locked? Many 8.8s came from factory with an lsd and can also be found with disc brakes and 4.10 gears. I've seen several for around $150 at local junkyards
I havnt seen it yet so I can only go by what the seller told me over the phone. Now that ive thought about it some I will probably pass on the rear end as im just getting started building my jeep. Im quite a ways from needing lockers.
Im still going to stop by and look at it tomorrow just in case. Maybe he will come off the price a bit
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I've had the 4.25 for over a year. My advice I to get the nitro shocks, I believe they were only like 20$ extra and they are not too stiff. After installing I had very slight vibrations at about 35-40 mph. If I had a few passengers the jeep would sit lower and no vibrations. Anyway, I put some washers in to lower the tcase and there is no vibrations now. Also I didn't get an adjustable track bar. The bracket and drilling a new hole worked fine but it would be easier with an adjustable track bar. Also after installing make sure you realign your tires. It is easy to do yourself using just string. Somebody on here made a great write up of how to.
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Called a professional suspension shop today to get a quote on a zone lift. I ask what was best the 3in zone suspension lift 1.25 body lift and 1in motor mount and what the cost would be they quoted me 1200 install for that kit and a 4in suspension lift zone kit was 875 install? Why in the world was is it that much of a difference? I saw where they charge labor for body lift and motor mount lift plus suspension why they charge for each is odd as well. So is this a good deal or bad? In my eyes it looks like a bad deal but thought I would ask I wanted to do the 4.25 for the lift is reasonable and seems to be a decent kit thanks


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Called a professional suspension shop today to get a quote on a zone lift. I ask what was best the 3in zone suspension lift 1.25 body lift and 1in motor mount and what the cost would be they quoted me 1200 install for that kit and a 4in suspension lift zone kit was 875 install? Why in the world was is it that much of a difference? I saw where they charge labor for body lift and motor mount lift plus suspension why they charge for each is odd as well. So is this a good deal or bad? In my eyes it looks like a bad deal but thought I would ask I wanted to do the 4.25 for the lift is reasonable and seems to be a decent kit thanks

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Talk about a rip off zone lift go for about 500 iirc

Yeah there selling it for 529 for the 4in lift rest is labor I thought it was high but I didn't know for sure


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Yeah there selling it for 529 for the 4in lift rest is labor I thought it was high but I didn't know for sure

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The reason for the cost difference is that one is just a taller suspension lift, the combo lift has more lador as it has a body lift and motor mount lift. The combo lift is a better all around set up. It's pretty much the same as what I have done except I poeced mine together using a RC lift with seperate mm lift and body lift. In the end I should have gone with the Zone Combo.
It's not hard to do your self. Me and a buddy did all of mine. Basic tools and a bit of sweat will save you a ton of cash.
If you have any questions on how to do it feel free to ask.

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