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Old 01-31-2014, 12:23 PM   #1
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How to change vin on dash overlay?

I'm changing all the dash parts on my TJ from spice to agate. I just got a used agate dash frame or overlay and found the VIN plate is riveted to it. Has anyone changed this before? My spice dash has my VIN riveted to it. How would I go about swapping them?

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Old 01-31-2014, 12:25 PM   #2
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I say cut the rivets and glue it down

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Drill them out with a bit that just fits inside the head and then pop rivit the original back in it's place.
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May want to check with Penn Dot to see if that is even legal to do
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That's what I think I'm going to do. I cut the rivets off the new dash and saved them. If mine get messed up cutting them out I'll use the rivets from this new dash and glue them down with my VIN plate. I just don't want to do something that is illegal. Here is a pic of the rivets and VIN plate that I cut off the new dash.

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I spoke to Penn DOT and they told me if I swap out the dash and move my VIN plate to the new dash I need to get a reconstructed vehicle title. I think they are just nuts!!!
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They are not nuts. Think about it. Now you have a Jeep with non matching VIN. Good luck with ever selling it or heaven forbid anything happen to it without the reconstructed title.
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My vin is not on the plastic. It is riveted to the body itself under the plastic. It shows through a hole in the plastic. Removing the plastic to put a different color in should leave it unaffected. I don't get it.
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Maybe just remove it altogether? I have the vin plate on my dash that you're talking about, but also found another plate underneath my carpet when I took it out to bedline
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I spoke to Penn DOT and they told me if I swap out the dash and move my VIN plate to the new dash I need to get a reconstructed vehicle title. I think they are just nuts!!!
That's what I thought. Never a good idea to swap parts with different vin numbers. Will cause red flags if you go to get rid of it, or a local yocal decides he is ready for csi status during a traffic stop
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they make final paint and primmer if you follow the directions well it works very good.
and you can do it with the parts you have with your vin.

but i thought the vin was on a plate under the dash plastic not sure why yours would be any diffrent normally they are attached to the body so they are not easily removed
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My vin is not on the plastic. It is riveted to the body itself under the plastic. It shows through a hole in the plastic. Removing the plastic to put a different color in should leave it unaffected. I don't get it.
Mine is a 1997 and this dash is out of a 1999 and I can tell you for sure they are riveted to the plastic dash. Here is a pic...

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They are not nuts. Think about it. Now you have a Jeep with non matching VIN. Good luck with ever selling it or heaven forbid anything happen to it without the reconstructed title.
My Jeep does and will have a matching VIN. I'm just going to move my VIN plate to the new dash and be done with it.
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Mine is a 1997 and this dash is out of a 1999 and I can tell you for sure they are riveted to the plastic dash. Here is a pic...
Ahh. I think that's how mine looks. I didn't thing that colored plastic ran under there. I pull off the top one a lot. I would carefully drill out the rivets. I've done it a lot as well as riveted a lot. (Not vins lol) they sell cheap rivet guns at lowes and Home Depot too. You could make it look factory easy.
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wassent doubting you just what i was used to seeing, however looking at what you have there shows what i thought was metal is a under part of the dash so it makes sense to me now.

i know on the 56 chevy we drilled them and the body tags etc… and then put new rivets back in to them matter fact have done it on several cars over the years in the body shop. I would think as long as you have the vin that belongs to that tittle and that jeep it would not make a big difference. but i have been wrong before ^^^
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wassent doubting you just what i was used to seeing, however looking at what you have there shows what i thought was metal is a under part of the dash so it makes sense to me now.

i know on the 56 chevy we drilled them and the body tags etc… and then put new rivets back in to them matter fact have done it on several cars over the years in the body shop. I would think as long as you have the vin that belongs to that tittle and that jeep it would not make a big difference. but i have been wrong before ^^^
I hope that is the case. I can't see how they would be able to tell unless they remove the top plastic part and try to pry up on my VIN plate. If I just glue down the VIN plate and glue in the old rivets it should look just as it does now just on an agate colored dash. My VIN plate does match the VIN plate on the drivers side floor of my TJ.
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Short answer- it's probably illegal, but if you honestly just switch the correct VIN number, make it look normal, and everything matches up properly then how will they ever know anyway?
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I guess I'll just have to keep this Jeep till I die. Not a bad thing.
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I think it's perfectly legal. I think it would be illegal to leave the old donor vin on the dash if anything.
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My Jeep does and will have a matching VIN. I'm just going to move my VIN plate to the new dash and be done with it.
My reading comprehension isn't so good today. Since PA does have an annual vehicle inspection, If the VIN plate looks like it has been tampered with you might/will have some issues.
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Short answer- it's probably illegal, but if you honestly just switch the correct VIN number, make it look normal, and everything matches up properly then how will they ever know anyway?
Because if you run a vin, it will tell you the color scheme. He wants to put the original vin on a different color dash. They put vins in different places to track stolen cars and parts. They found my brothers stolen corvette becasue they found his dash on the back of a parts truck, ran the vin, and found the chop shop. If you start moving vins from parts, you could create a big headache.
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In most states tampering with VIN numbers is a felony no matter how innocent the intent. Chop shops do it all the time. Lol
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Because if you run a vin, it will tell you the color scheme. He wants to put the original vin on a different color dash. They put vins in different places to track stolen cars and parts. They found my brothers stolen corvette becasue they found his dash on the back of a parts truck, ran the vin, and found the chop shop. If you start moving vins from parts, you could create a big headache.
Wouldn't be any different than painting your dash.
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wouldn't be any different than painting your dash.
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Its a lot different. First you are not changing the vin, which is illegal. Second, if any one ever questions the color you can show it was the original part that goes with the original vin. A better example would be painting the enitre car. Vin may say its blue, but if you paint it red, no problem. If you have a vin with drilled out rivets, you are asking for issues. Like Penn Dot told the OP he would have to apply for a reconstructed title. Doesnt make sense to me, but thats good ole PA for you
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Its a lot different. First you are not changing the vin, which is illegal.
He is not changing it he is putting it back where it goes. Touché!
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Come on guys lighten up

When I changed a 300zx dash vin was attached to dash not body

The real true vin is stamped into firewall with big alphanumerics

Changing dash that incidentally changes the vin plate under the windshield is not vin tampering

Just because the average iq at your local MVD is low does not make an honest repair a crime

The sharpies at MVD called a 1957 wills wagon body on a 1976 scout chassis a Willis
At least got me out of emissions

Next you will tell me I cannot make my own semi AK receiver without a serial number and I know that is not true

Just look up ak build parties they will have the law chapter and verse
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In most states tampering with VIN numbers is a felony no matter how innocent the intent. Chop shops do it all the time. Lol
Take a real good look at the rivets because they are special.
I would get it sorted out first because it will be hard to explain after the fact.
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To remove a rivet you drill it with a drill bit the same size the shank.
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Again if the easy visabe vin plate matches the numbers stamped into the firewall there is zero case for vin tampering even if you have screws or purple pola dot rivits on the plate

A sad state of affairs if we have gone to guilty until proven innocent

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