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Old 03-07-2008, 06:17 PM   #1
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How to get more out of my 2.5L

I was wondering whats some things to do to get more out of my 2000 Wrangler 2.5L 4cyl??? and also i am looking at lifts and bigger tires which rear end would be the best for that trying to see which one i have

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I would start with some headers and exhaust (helped with mine at least), gears in a ford 8.8 are a great setup for a lift and big tires. (which lift and what size tires are you thinking about running?) 4.0L Throttle Body is ok for throttle response. not much you can really do with the 2.5L unfortunatly. snorkle kit is good for real cold air induction, as well as the AEM Brute force intake (again throttle response). other than that your looking at firepower ignition kit (performance distributers has them for like $175) new cams, bigger fuel injectors and such... hope I helped a little.

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header and exhaust gives only a few h.p. more. you will feel the difference only because of the big amount of money you have to pay for that stuff. in real there isn´t really a difference i accelleration and top-speed.

a compressor or turbo would be an idea. but that cost more than byinig a used 4.0L engine and installing it instead of the 4cyl.
selling your 4cyl and buying a 6cyl would be another option.

if you want bigger tires (how big ???) the 4cyl becomes more sluggish than a 6cyl wih the same tires. up to 33s the stock D30/D35 axles will be ok. but you should regear with that big tires.
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33" should be perfect, but a re-gear will gain you 6+ mpg, the axles you have are fine for any tires you can manage to push with a 4banger. I'm re-gearing myself next school year when I take an axles class. I will do a write-up then
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I was looking at maybe a 4in lift and 33's, also i havent thought about buying a 4.0L would it fit nicely or would i have to do some work to get it to fit? such as new mounts etc..
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I was looking at maybe a 4in lift and 33's, also i havent thought about buying a 4.0L would it fit nicely or would i have to do some work to get it to fit? such as new mounts etc..
New mounts, I think a new tranny. Trust me, I looked into most of my options. A 4" lift on 33" tires is fine for a 2.5L. If you re-gear to 4.88 you will have more power than a stock jeep and the bigger tires
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New mounts, I think a new tranny. Trust me, I looked into most of my options. A 4" lift on 33" tires is fine for a 2.5L. If you re-gear to 4.88 you will have more power than a stock jeep and the bigger tires
that sounds great question is how much it cost to re gear?? Im not the most mechanical person to do it myself..I se you have 8 speakers in your jeep where do you have the other 4?? i have 2 indash and 2 in my sound bar..also which lift did you go with for yours since your Wrangler is almost the same has mine with the 4 banger and all
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that sounds great question is how much it cost to re gear?? Im not the most mechanical person to do it myself..I se you have 8 speakers in your jeep where do you have the other 4?? i have 2 indash and 2 in my sound bar..also which lift did you go with for yours since your Wrangler is almost the same has mine with the 4 banger and all
I have 2 in the dash, 6 in the soundbar, and 2 12" subs in da trunk. As far as the re-gear goes, about $400-$500 to do it yourself, Over $1000 to pay a shop to do it. I recommend doing it yourself, or finding a friend to do it. I'm about the same though, I have very little experience mechanically. that is why I'm taking an axles class at my local Junior college. My lift is Tuff country I think, but I'm not quite sure since I didn't install it myself. Its a very nice dependable lift, and my tires have become my all-time favorite tires. Any other questions?
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I have 2 in the dash, 6 in the soundbar, and 2 12" subs in da trunk. As far as the re-gear goes, about $400-$500 to do it yourself, Over $1000 to pay a shop to do it. I recommend doing it yourself, or finding a friend to do it. I'm about the same though, I have very little experience mechanically. that is why I'm taking an axles class at my local Junior college. My lift is Tuff country I think, but I'm not quite sure since I didn't install it myself. Its a very nice dependable lift, and my tires have become my all-time favorite tires. Any other questions?
which sounds bar you have that has 6 speakers in it? or did you add four extra speakers yourself? sorry for all the questions
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If your really good with motors throw a cam in it. Know somebody that put a cam in a stock 2.5 and it really pepped it up.
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which sounds bar you have that has 6 speakers in it? or did you add four extra speakers yourself? sorry for all the questions
They sell them at Quadratec.com VDP(Vertically Driven Products) Brand. No prob
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which sounds bar you have that has 6 speakers in it? or did you add four extra speakers yourself? sorry for all the questions
or ebay has them for a little less. 6 or two, your gonna get about the same sound outta it.
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If your really good with motors throw a cam in it. Know somebody that put a cam in a stock 2.5 and it really pepped it up.
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or ebay has them for a little less. 6 or two, your gonna get about the same sound outta it.
It Won't sound the same for sure, otherwise everyone would only have dash speakers.
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2-6"- mid bass
2-2" midrange
2-1" Tweeters(High Range)

Then you get 2 12" subs- Real low best for rap
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2 10" subs- Low, but small enough for fast movements, best for rock

The more different types of speakers you have the better quality sound you will have. My car sounds like a live concert inside.
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It Won't sound the same for sure, otherwise everyone would only have dash speakers.
6 speaker bar has=
2-6"- mid bass
2-2" midrange
2-1" Tweeters(High Range)

Then you get 2 12" subs- Real low best for rap
or
2 10" subs- Low, but small enough for fast movements, best for rock

The more different types of speakers you have the better quality sound you will have. My car sounds like a live concert inside.
Doesn't your 2 12" subs take up all your room in the back?? you got any pics of your system in the Wrangler?
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Doesn't your 2 12" subs take up all your room in the back?? you got any pics of your system in the Wrangler?
Ya, I don't have any room with the top off, but with it on I can get a couple backpacks back there. I can get some pics tomorrow, cause I took the top off tonight and we're moving tomorrow.
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It Won't sound the same for sure, otherwise everyone would only have dash speakers.
6 speaker bar has=
2-6"- mid bass
2-2" midrange
2-1" Tweeters(High Range)

Then you get 2 12" subs- Real low best for rap
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The more different types of speakers you have the better quality sound you will have. My car sounds like a live concert inside.
I ment with a regular bar and some nice speakers. I know my "ebay bar" (steel horse) with the two speakers and my two speakers up front and the two 10's I have in back beat the hell outta my bosses setup and he paid WAY more than I did for mine... he has the 6 speaker bar your talking about as well.
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I ment with a regular bar and some nice speakers. I know my "ebay bar" (steel horse) with the two speakers and my two speakers up front and the two 10's I have in back beat the hell outta my bosses setup and he paid WAY more than I did for mine... he has the 6 speaker bar your talking about as well.
Nice speakers make a world of difference. VDP speakers are pretty good IMO. It sounds like a concert in my car, no joke
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If your really good with motors throw a cam in it. Know somebody that put a cam in a stock 2.5 and it really pepped it up.
Look at crane cams and comp cams. I belive they both sell a cam for the 2.5 and if you want a even more lift they will custom grind a cam. With a flatt tappet cam and todays oil the breakin is EXTREAMLY IMPORTANT! If not done right with the correct oil the cam will only last like 10k and be worn out already. I think there may be a mopar performance cam and a hesko out.
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Look at crane cams and comp cams. I belive they both sell a cam for the 2.5 and if you want a even more lift they will custom grind a cam. With a flatt tappet cam and todays oil the breakin is EXTREAMLY IMPORTANT! If not done right with the correct oil the cam will only last like 10k and be worn out already. I think there may be a mopar performance cam and a hesko out.
couldn't find anything for the jeep on either site wanna do a search for me???
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Most of the stuff out there is just snake oil, and won't do much in the RMP range that Jeeps are usually run in.

Aside from modifying the internal engine, your best bet is to get a super 35 kit and regear the axles to your tire size. 33" tires is right at the borderline for the weak Dana 35 rear axle. The super 35 will address that problem.
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For the lift look into the Rubicon Express Superflex 3.5".
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couldn't find anything for the jeep on either site wanna do a search for me???
I think summit has it. There out there just need to look. I'll do a search later.
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I say turbo.. wont lower ur mpg much.. maybe 1-2 mpg if you drive it nicely and only step on it once in a while.
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If this is all work you want to do yourself, or you want to minimize replacements, regearing to 4.88 makes the most sense. While a D44 or an 8.8 are both great swaps, they may really just be overkill on the 2.5L. I had this debate when I was going bigger and for the frequency that I wheel, the D44 or 8.8 just did not make sense. I went with the regear, but I also put in Yukon shafts, lockers front and rear, and put 33" tires on it. The pep I get from the 4.88's turns the 33's a bit better than the stock 4.10's I had that turned the 30's (a bit bigger than stock). So I was happy with the results.

If you are looking for sportscar performance, you may as well just go small block Chevy. While a CAI/snorkel will give you some boost, freer flowing exhaust will help too. But the cost/gain ratio just wasn't there when I did my research. Many will say that throwing $$ at the D35 is a bad investment, but for the 2.5, upgrading the D35 isn't all that bad of a solution. I've been wheeling mine for 2 years now and haven't had a problem yet.

If you consider that you will need to regear with the 2.5, that cost is a wash between the axle choices - they'd all need it (Unless you can score an axle already at 4.88 - good luck) and you'd still need to purchase the 4.88's for the D30 in front.
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There is an article in JP Magazine April 2008 page 27. Four-Banger Power.

They got 14HP and 17 FT/LBS out of a 95 YJ.
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This all came with a pretty hefty price tag.

Ive already done the TB swap, next is an electric fan. Im going to do a Taurus 3.8 fan. Moves 2300 CFM and its a two speed.
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You can drill out the 4.0 throttle body to 60mm easily with a dremel tool or something that has a sanding bit on it...

Erick, keep in mind you need experience + knowledge or very good luck to do gears your self.
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Triple, I'm well aware of that, but whether getting an axle or just regearing his current axles, that regear is going to likely happen one way or the other, that is a wash when comparing one solution vs the other (unless he gets REAL lucky and finds an axle with 4.88 already in there). That was the point I was trying to make.

Installing an 8.8 requires welding skills. A bolt in D44 is an easier solution if he can find one from a TJ and be a lower cost.

As for those other items, I haven't tried em. But for the costs involved, I can't say as it is worth it to me, especially since I'll be trailering my TJ to trails soon. The idea of a snorkel for a 'CAI' interests me, but I just haven't done enough research and our trails here in the SE are tight enough w/o having to worry about catching a snorkel on a low branch or trunk.

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