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Old 11-09-2008, 10:40 PM   #31
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never woulda pegged a cj7 (or any jeep for that matter) to beat a ferrari on the road.

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Old 11-09-2008, 11:16 PM   #32
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I don't think you should be limited to dinky axles. You can get semi-float 60's in a 5 on 5.5" or even a 5 on 4.5" bolt pattern. No one would know the difference. You don't even have to run them full width either. If you had a set of rock jocks, the front 64" wms to wms, the rear around the same, the correct back spacing to suck the tires in a bit, and do the necessary stuff, then you'd never be able to tell that it has 60's under it. Its not like you're trying to hide rockwells....
This has nothing to do with hiding the axles, it's just Dana 60s are overkill for 33 inch tires and it eats up the clearance, sure rock jocks will regain the lost ground clearance but it's still not worth spending all that money for something a 44 or 8.8 can do all day long on little 33s.

Ask the guys on here beating the hell out of there Jeeps sitting on Dana 44s and 37s Most of them will never have a problem but some of them will kill a stock 44. If Jeeps weighed 1,500lbs more then yeah lets rock a 60

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Old 11-09-2008, 11:20 PM   #33
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never woulda pegged a cj7 (or any jeep for that matter) to beat a ferrari on the road.
Jeeps are light and have full frames, get there power to weight ratios up a little and there pretty fast...in a straight line, now around a corner is another story.

Not to mention the guy in the Ferrari spun his tires and lost traction and the Jeep just launched.
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Old 11-09-2008, 11:54 PM   #34
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Jeeps are light and have full frames, get there power to weight ratios up a little and there pretty fast...in a straight line, now around a corner is another story.

Not to mention the guy in the Ferrari spun his tires and lost traction and the Jeep just launched.
If the ferrari blew a tire, lost a radiator cap, forgot to turn off his wipers, whatever...

Guy got his doors blow off by a JEEP.

That and calling jeep's "light" is a bit of an exageration! 4 thousand pounds is a bit heavier that what he appeared to be racing.

You are right on about cornering tho...nothing that couldn't be overcome by someone on 2 wheels however.
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Old 11-10-2008, 12:11 AM   #35
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oooohhhhh i just thought of that PORTAL AXLES


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Old 11-10-2008, 01:20 AM   #36
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This has nothing to do with hiding the axles, it's just Dana 60s are overkill for 33 inch tires and it eats up the clearance, sure rock jocks will regain the lost ground clearance but it's still not worth spending all that money for something a 44 or 8.8 can do all day long on little 33s.

Ask the guys on here beating the hell out of there Jeeps sitting on Dana 44s and 37s Most of them will never have a problem but some of them will kill a stock 44. If Jeeps weighed 1,500lbs more then yeah lets rock a 60
Yeah for 33's they're way over kill and too big. I was thinking for something bigger than 33's though. Hell, there are stock mod class rigs out there running 60's and 35" tires. They aren't sleepers, but some of them are mellow looking. The way I looked at it, a lot of rigs are running a 33" tire from the factory now. Doesn't the new FJ come with 33's, 35's with the H2's, and I think 33's for the H3's. I believe the new JK Rubi's have 32's or something like that. So I didn't think that it would be too big of a stretch to say that you could run AEV's Highline Fenders with a set of 35" tires and no lift and still be a sleeper. Yeah, 60's would probably still be over kill, but why not? I mean this thread is about building the ultimate sleeper right? You could still add all the mall crawler touches too it or even keep it as plain jane as humanly possible. Not to mention, if you throw in a doubler or a 3 or 4 speed t-case, that gear reduction can be killer on parts. Especially when your bound up in the rocks. Stuff breaks really easy in double low when your rocker deep in a rock garden or a rock filled canyon.
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Geez, there are so amny combinations for a good sleeper rig. I will go with the way Id build my own rig if I wanted it to be sleeper"ish".
-GenRights new highline front fenders
-FT long arms w/ 3" OME coils
-Shock hoops as tall as possible with Rancho 9000's and proper bumpstoping
-Rock Jock 60's frnt and rear w/ 4.88's, ARBS, and cromo shafts
-cast iron diff covers (look rpetty close to stock but are basically bullet proof)
-Rear fender trimming with factory flare put back on
-37" BFG Krawlers on Rubicon rims
-sm465 or np435 trans
-D300 t-case w/ 4:1 and 32 spline outputs and twin stick
-JE Reel drive shafts
-Stock bumper cut to width of grill and winch plate added
-Warn 9.5i winch w/ synthetic line added
-KOZ sliders
-GenRight power steering skid
-Power steering box from a J20 truck
-GenRights gas tank that mounts up behind the rear seat
-PSC full cage
-black soft top
-rear bumper left stock w/ no spare tire
-JCR 1-ton otk steering
-GenRight sway bar

I think thats it. Youd have an extremely capable rig that could be driven daily. It would be awesome to keep the super low cog and still stuff a 37" tire without rubbing. It would obvisouly look somewhat modified but less so than msot rigs I think. Especially if you used the rubicon rims and had a soft top to cover up the cage and kept the stock bumpers. Well, now I know what my build plans are!
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Old 11-10-2008, 02:20 AM   #38
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i still like the near stock axle combo i run =D
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Old 11-10-2008, 02:49 AM   #39
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i still like the near stock axle combo i run =D
oh me too, i just go crazy about my d35

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Also GRN, a tj with all those mods would be very opposite from a sleeper.
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Old 11-10-2008, 10:14 AM   #40
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If the ferrari blew a tire, lost a radiator cap, forgot to turn off his wipers, whatever...

Guy got his doors blow off by a JEEP.

That and calling jeep's "light" is a bit of an exageration! 4 thousand pounds is a bit heavier that what he appeared to be racing.

You are right on about cornering tho...nothing that couldn't be overcome by someone on 2 wheels however.
The Ferrari weighs 3,320 lbs and the Jeep weighs 3,700 lbs, I guess I think there light because my 70 Cutlass 442, my 87 Chevy pickup sittin on 44s, and 85 Chevy sittin on 35s all weigh more. I guess 500 to 1,500 lbs lighter than my other cars isn't light.

PS that Ferrari only runs 12.8 in the quarter


The guys got a great Jeep, it's fast as hell, and it has a ton of torque.
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Old 11-10-2008, 05:44 PM   #41
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oh me too, i just go crazy about my d35

hehe

Also GRN, a tj with all those mods would be very opposite from a sleeper.
Well not necessarily. I was thinking sleeper in the relm of basic apperance. I know it would have big tires but you wouldnt know what kind of axles it ran because you could run stock width. Plus the soft top would cover up the cage so that would look normal too. The things that would make it look modified would be the big tires, winch, and fenders. The rest would look stock from a glance. Keeping the 4.0l would keep it sounding tame but the trans and tcase would give it a killer low range. I guess our idea of a sleeper are a little different. But read again, I did say sleeper"ish"
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Old 11-10-2008, 07:57 PM   #42
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my jeep weighs in at 4500lbs and im sure its closer to 5k fully loaded with parts and tools.......i keep a hp 44 alive with chromollys while turning 39x15 swampers on rockathons......my jeep is no sleeper and has barely any sheetmetal but i think that a 9"/44 combo would suffice for any sleeper jeep.......i also have to say that my 8.8 held up to 36s for three years with only on broken axle shaft...the d30 is more than fine with the addition of som chromollys or if its not in the budget the axles are 15 bucks around here from a cherokee and we can change em in under 10 minutes......u should look into a wheel base stretch.....check out the last couple of jp mags that were using the gen right stuff with blank rear corners so you can cut ur own fenderwells and such......wheel base will change your rig completely
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Old 11-12-2008, 06:41 PM   #43
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Get the most banged up, sratched up, and dented up TJ body you can find with a ragged top, and faded fender flares. Run the Rubicon hardware front and rear, on a moderate lift with 31" tires, and some of those old chrome bullet hole wheels that were about $25 in 1980!! Most importantly, NEVER wash it!

I had a 1993 Dodge Dakota Sport with a hot rodded 318 magnum and about 150 horses of N2O on it when I was in college. I was outrunning mustangs, camaros, and the occasional 3000GT most every Sunday. LOL. I love sleepers!
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Old 11-12-2008, 07:33 PM   #44
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Just a small amount of lift and lockers will do a lot. Hell, stock Rubicons can make it over the, well, Rubicon.
Ditto, I think following the Rubicon blueprint plus a winch should get you there.

And the TJ Rubicons do the rubicon with 31" tires!
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I've never ran the Con, but when you say run the Con, do you mean take all the bypasses for the crazy stuff or actually hit all the obstacles. I think they bypassed a lot. I'm not trying to down play their capabilities at all, but my idea of a sleeper is crazy performance in a relatively tame package. The Rubi's are tame looking, but I don't know about the crazy performance. Like I said, I'm not trying to down play their performance at all, but throw together a TJ with the AEV Highline fenders, 35" tires, rock jock 60's with low gearing and ARB's, 4 links or even a 4 link rear 3 link front and high clearance lower links, cutting brakes, some high clearance skids, a doubler, coil overs, and all the other bells and whistles that aren't out in the open and you basically have a rock buggy with a heavy ass Jeep body and frame. It would be incredibly stable due to the extremely low COG, have a very well performing suspension (provided its setup right... and I'm not talking about flex), It could make the tightest turns and have one of the smallest turning radius's ever, it would have a lot of clearance, the gear select ability would allow you to have much more control than just having a 4:1 in the t-case (I hate the idea of having a 4:1), and it wouldn't look anything close to a crazy built rig.

The idea of running some mild axles and some 33" tires on a Jeep isn't a sleeper. Its the average run of the mill trail Jeep. Not every one runs these big monster Jeeps. Most of the Jeeps I've run across on the trail have been mildly built rigs on 33's to 35" tires. They work good and they're inexpensive comparatively. The sleeper I mentioned would look equally mild as any other mild Jeep. However, you could beat it way more hard and you'd have people amazed when you start doing a front dig around a tight turn in the trail that every one else has to make a 5 point turn just to make it. Not to mention when you got it into a really technical section of trail it could really stretch its legs a lot better than the other mildly built similar looking rigs. So I think theres a huge difference between a small TJ on 33's to 35's with a HP D44 and an 8.8 locked front and rear with a 4:1 or even a stockish Rubi on some slightly taller than stock tires and a real Sleeper.
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So far there are a lot of good ideas some mild some a bit wild (expensive). Since I am already sitting on new 31's, I am thinking lockers and a tummy tuck to start. It will still look stock but be way more capable than stock.
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Old 11-13-2008, 10:27 PM   #47
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you cant make a jeep sleeper. If you want to go through mud slap some big as swamper on. If you want to hide it, squeeze some 35's or something, but it wont be as good as the 38's. You can notice everything on the jeeps, tires axles, suspension, etc
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Okay, I went to their site but couldn't find this guy. I want to do this to my yellow jeep.
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buy a rubicon, put in chromo shafts, 5.13 gears. alloy usa diff covers (they look kindof stockish). Currie HD steering (uses the factory Y design). remove the front sway bar. remove the rubicon stickers.

then your done. you'll be spankin buggies all day. lol
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ill just stick to my sahara.. and my plans for it =D

small to almost no lift.. right now running about 1.25'' on my acos and 1.25'' on my body lift.. stuffin 33'' tires under it..

right now my jeep sits as a MILD build.. i upgraded the axles to something a big stronger.. got riddler diff covers.. plan on super dana packages with arb lockers in the future..

in my eye a sleeper jeep is a NEAR to stock style suspension.. so me running my current suspension with adjustable short arms.. and tube fenders.. ill be able to stuff 35s..

my jeep will be a lil more built but wont be a sleeper until the stroked i6..

everything ive done is bolt on =D and in keeping it that way.. it will ALWAYS remain a jeep..
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Okay, I went to their site but couldn't find this guy. I want to do this to my yellow jeep.
i'm pretty sure the Chinese have a kit for our jeeps, only a matter of time before some one digs it out they have everything. Its all made in china!!!

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