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Old 07-16-2011, 10:17 PM   #1
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huge problem, need help/ advise!!

I just recently installed my rough country 4' lift and 3/4 poly spacers. Today, I had the 35-12.5's installed on the stock sahara wheels and as I was driving home noticed a burnt rubber smell. I quickly pulled over and noticed the driver side tire was destroyed on the inside by the upper coil spring bucket and spring. The passenger side tire is about an inch away from the bucket. I jacked up the jeep and put a some large washers I had ( about 1/4 inch) between the rim and brake drum (makeshift spacer)and was able to catch 2 or 3 turns of each lug bolt. I also and put a ratchet strap on the passenger side upper control arm mount over to the coil bucket to hopefully pull the axle over with no success. Still rubbing but i nervously arrived home. What do you think? The track bar bushings looked good when re-installed. Could it be a bent frame? or bad track bar extension install from the RC kit? Or just not enough backspace on the wheels? But Why would only one side rub and the other be an inch off the coil bucket and spring? I'm hot that the tire place would not check clearance. nothing ruins a day like destroying a 250.00$ tire! Thanks in advance for advise.

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Old 07-16-2011, 10:21 PM   #2
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They should be held responsible for the tire, I worked in the automotive field for 19 years and have seen a few tires replaced for stuff like this, the "tech" should have checked it over and informed you of any clearance issues!

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Old 07-16-2011, 10:25 PM   #3
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May have to do with the camber? Im no expert here.... but if one side is clearing it and the other isnt, I dont think the lift would make that much difference on the axle positioning. and x2 on taking it right back to those nubs at the tire shop.

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Old 07-16-2011, 10:33 PM   #4
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I can not place it either... It literally an inch of space on the pass side and rubbing with 1/4 of spacers on the driver side... I like the factory wheels but i hope i will not be forced to purchase new ones, I want to fix the problem not go around it.
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Old 07-16-2011, 10:49 PM   #5
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sounds like you need an adjustable track bar, then you can shift your axle over till you have equal clearance on both sides... I would also recomend wheel spacers to give you more clearance if you want to keep your stock rims.
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Old 07-16-2011, 11:09 PM   #6
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I agree w/the adjustable track bar idea, I installed a 3.5 rancho and it came w/rear track relocation bracket and its not exactly centered. Only about 1/2" off tho but when I get the 33 12.50's, im gonna need to get a lesser backspacing, is your saharah wheel a 8" wide wheel w/5" backspacing? If so your probably gonna need to change them...
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Old 07-16-2011, 11:29 PM   #7
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The sahara wheels are 8', not sure of the backspace, but my next choice would be stock tj 5 spoke wheels. Light weight and look great. i was thinking about how i could adjust the relocation bracket also. Are the adjustable track bars expensive? Its just crazy how that bar can make an axle shift almost 2' to the pass side. I hope the frame isnt bent.
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Old 07-16-2011, 11:30 PM   #8
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get some spacers
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Old 07-16-2011, 11:39 PM   #9
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Either your tracbar is too long, or if adjustable it's adjusted wrong. the tracbar is supposed to center the axle and keep it there - if set up correctly.

And, you probably don't have much rim backspacing. 1/2" on either side (if in the middle) isn't really enough. when you air down low it will probably rub on both sides.

i doubt the tire store will do anything - it's not their responsibility to make sure your equipment is correct, but they should have noticed. But they may help you, especially if you buy better rims from them.
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Old 07-16-2011, 11:42 PM   #10
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This is not the fault of the tire place. Who ever put on the lift didn't install an adjustable track bar. Therefore the axle is not centered under the Jeep. Which is why its rubbing on one side and not the other.
Second problem is you don't have enough backspace on the stock wheels to run a 12.5" tire. Again not the tire places fault. You picked out the tire and told them to mount it.

You went the cheap route on both the lift and the wheels. Don't try to blame somebody else because they don't work flawlessly together.
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I kinda agree with scoob but I am gona try to be less critical... obviously you need the track bar relocated or to get an adjustable track bar. You also need proper rims for the tires you got. I dont think any stock wheels can clear 12.5 inch tires. my aftermarket wheels still slightly hit the CA's at full turn. so even if you didnt hit the spring perch you still probably would have gotten the control arms at some point.

get an adjustable track bar, and new wheels.
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I kinda agree with scoob but I am gona try to be less critical... obviously you need the track bar relocated or to get an adjustable track bar. You also need proper rims for the tires you got. I dont think any stock wheels can clear 12.5 inch tires. my aftermarket wheels still slightly hit the CA's at full turn. so even if you didnt hit the spring perch you still probably would have gotten the control arms at some point.

get an adjustable track bar, and new wheels.
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I would assume a reputable tire installation place would especially check for fitment issues on such large wheels and look for abnormalities in the allignment process. I would think they could see or hopefully smell the smoke coming from the tire on the test drive. I would have been ashamed to miss something so obvious that had the potential to cause and accident or even worse. I believe that is their job.

The cheap route? I've been very fortunate to currently be financially stable and looked into a lot of expensive lifts, but for basic trail riding the RC lift seemed sufficient and reasonable. I believe it looks and feels very heavy duty and the fitment was superb when i installed it. (As we all know looks can be deceiving though) As for the wheels, I love the classic crager look of the wheel. I didn't go the cheap route by not purchasing 5 new wheels to go with my new tires when i absolutely love the wheels.
Anyways, I will order a rear track bar and install it when the sye and driveshaft come in. Hopefully that will remedy the situation. Meanwhile i can search for wheels. Thanks for helping me narrow down the problem everyone.
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Old 07-17-2011, 09:22 AM   #14
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They aren't large wheels they are large tires.

but your welcome.

scoob was just being realistic

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I would assume a reputable tire installation place would especially check for fitment issues on such large wheels and look for abnormalities in the allignment process. I would think they could see or hopefully smell the smoke coming from the tire on the test drive. I would have been ashamed to miss something so obvious that had the potential to cause and accident or even worse. I believe that is their job.

The cheap route? I've been very fortunate to currently be financially stable and looked into a lot of expensive lifts, but for basic trail riding the RC lift seemed sufficient and reasonable. I believe it looks and feels very heavy duty and the fitment was superb when i installed it. (As we all know looks can be deceiving though) As for the wheels, I love the classic crager look of the wheel. I didn't go the cheap route by not purchasing 5 new wheels to go with my new tires when i absolutely love the wheels.
Anyways, I will order a rear track bar and install it when the sye and driveshaft come in. Hopefully that will remedy the situation. Meanwhile i can search for wheels. Thanks for helping me narrow down the problem everyone.
Or you can search for spacers as was pointed out by NECTAT and PTwarrior.
If you are talking about the stock Canyons (IMO the best looking jeep rim ever) rims their backspacing is 5.5. With a 1.25" spidertrax spacer it would take them to 4.25". Almost perfect for a 12.5 tire.
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Old 07-26-2011, 05:59 PM   #16
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Unfortunately, I have not had much time to work on the jeep. I sadly walk by the the SYE and drive-shaft at the office and wish for a weekend without an emergency call or even a few hours to get the jeep in the driveway. I did however order some wheels and had them put on. Although they look 1/10th as nice as the stock ones they will have to do because of the backspacing. And I also put on a rear adjustable track bar to help center the axle. Here are some pics of the dc-2 Dick Cepek wheels. I guess they will have to grow on me. And the tire store did appologize for the error and mounted and balanced these for free. I felt he was genuinely sorry so i just went and purchased a new tire to use as the spare. before with the stockers. And after with the new wheels.
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Unfortunately, I have not had much time to work on the jeep. I sadly walk by the the SYE and drive-shaft at the office and wish for a weekend without an emergency call or even a few hours to get the jeep in the driveway. I did however order some wheels and had them put on. Although they look 1/10th as nice as the stock ones they will have to do because of the backspacing. And I also put on a rear adjustable track bar to help center the axle. Here are some pics of the dc-2 Dick Cepek wheels. I guess they will have to grow on me. And the tire store did appologize for the error and mounted and balanced these for free. I felt he was genuinely sorry so i just went and purchased a new tire to use as the spare. before with the stockers. And after with the new wheels.
The new wheels look really nice

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