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Old 08-17-2012, 10:26 PM   #31
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I hope you can have it welded up nice and safe.

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So as I am going through my new (to me) 2002 Wrangler Sport, I removed the tranny pan today, and HOLY CRAP RUST! I removed 11 pounds of rust today.

The pan looked fine when I started, with just a little rust on the side of the frame.

5 bolts came out no problem, one turned with the nut. Two of the frame nuts came right out of the frame, as did quite a bit of the driver's side frame bottom.

Looks like I'm going to call the guys at Auto Rust Technicians after all.
I work at AutoZone had a guy come in yesterday in a very nice 2001 yellow TJ sport, he had the same rust as you, if not worse.... Should have taken pictures it was bad it was from Illinois the owner told me he just bought it about 9 months ago for $9000 he wasnt to happy when I told he he needed to go frame shopping.... The damn thing was coming apart in sheets!!!!!

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...it was from Illinois the owner told me he just bought it about 9 months ago for $9000 he wasnt to happy when I told he he needed to go frame shopping.... The damn thing was coming apart in sheets!!!!!
That's the midwest for ya. And the NE, too.
How do you change a frame out? Do you basically have to change the entire vehicle over to the new chassis, piece by piece? If so, wow...
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That's the midwest for ya. And the NE, too.
How do you change a frame out? Do you basically have to change the entire vehicle over to the new chassis, piece by piece? If so, wow...
Yep piece by piece it is sad, but not that hard....
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Old 08-19-2012, 12:59 PM   #35
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Good to know. I'd be inclined to weld it up, myself, but I'm sure it's not the best way...maybe depending on how it's done and the amount of rust damage.

I wish the '02 TJ frame (like mine is too) had 1: A number of drain holes or slots in the bottom of the rail, 2: no big open holes in the sides, especially in the wheel well area where there is a lot of splash.
That boxed-in frame section just collects dirt, salt, water, ice and snow over time and it seems to just sit inside there and not drain or dry out anytime soon. Maybe they had plugs on the factory frame holes when new...I don't know...Mine are all gone, if so.

I'm thinking about covering mine in the wheel areas and drilling (and painting) some little weep holes in the bottom of the boxed sections. I had a lot of rust scale inside mine, too, and blew out most of it with compressed air. Then blew it with rust catalyzing primer, and later, that waxy/greasy 3M Rustfighter 1. I still think it needs some drainage and protection from splash though. I just want to leave access for washing it out somehow.

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Old 08-19-2012, 02:25 PM   #36
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This is exactly why I'm afraid to pull the skid plate on mine. I'm afraid mine is gonna look the same way.
ditto . i live in pa .
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Old 08-19-2012, 04:54 PM   #37
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I'm thinking about covering mine in the wheel areas and drilling (and painting) some little weep holes in the bottom of the boxed sections. I had a lot of rust scale inside mine, too, and blew out most of it with compressed air. Then blew it with rust catalyzing primer, and later, that waxy/greasy 3M Rustfighter 1. I still think it needs some drainage and protection from splash though. I just want to leave access for. washing it out somehow.

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I am thinking the samething welder is coming out, welding up factory holes making my own on the bottom side...
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I have to wonder why they didn't punch weep holes in the bottom. My truck's frame has them about every foot.
I can't see any on the Jeep. I think I'll at least drill some drainage in it tomorrow night (3/16"?) ...I was thinking maybe some metal tape and rubberized undercoating for the really splash prone openings (I have no mud flaps) but I kind of like your idea of welding them up. I think I have some 18 gauge ungalvanized sheet steel in my scrap pile. That would be easy to tack on and seal around, I think.

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Thanks migbuz-that's exactly what I was looking for.
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Well I did it. I covered the major holes in the side of my frame with peel and stick foil tape (like for high temperature duct, chimney sealing) although probably plain old duct tape would have worked here on the outside of the frame rails away from any high heat. Then I sprayed over the patches with rubberized undercoating to help seal and stick them down. Could be prettier, but it is pretty much not noticable on the frame.


I also drilled 6, quarter inch drain holes in the bottom of the frame rails at the low spots. One under each front frame horn behind the bumper, and two in front of the skid pan, two more behind it...did this on each side of the Jeep of course. Also on on each side of the skid pan from the outside up at an angle. Two coats of paint in and on each drilled hole. The rear frame horns had holes in the bottoms already from the factory. Again, this is all after blowing out as much of the rust flakes as I could with compressed air, and then using the compressed air gun to blow in a spray can-and-a-half of rust catalyzing primer, and when that dried, 3M Rustfighter 1...that clear waxy, sticky, greasy, stuff in a spray can. I used two cans of that and let it dry for a few days before doing all this.


Time will tell if it helps, I guess, but I feel better about trying to preserve my frame this way.

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Looks good Rob...I think now that we are aware of this, we are less likely to let it get worse. Plus, I know I'll be keeping a keen eye out on mine once it's fixed.
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I installed a deep trans pan on my 02 TJ and dropped the skid. My jeep is absolutely rust free, except for the three bolt holes on the skid plate (WTH?) they have a recess around them and it was rusted, and not surface rust either. I'm in Tx and this jeep has been well cared for prior to me and I haven't gotten to really go wild because I've been doing my mods and maintenance and didn't want dirt in my face. I had no idea it was there, I suggest you guys pull the skid and look. My POR-15 kit is coming and I will work the rust over. The drain holes are mandatory, mine pissed when I drilled by the rear wheels. Jeep should address this for drainage. Water had been trapped in there for no telling how long.
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Damn man you did some serious work to that thing. Looks way better

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Old 08-21-2012, 03:52 PM   #45
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Thanks Jim and you guys!
I used to have a '69 VW camper van, all original except for the interior, and those things rusted pretty easily, so I have some experience with this, and hope I know what to look for and how to address it by now.

I think the key is inspection and jump on rust once or twice a year. Keep water and dirt out of enclosed areas, keep them coated somehow, and drainage (and sometimes some open ventilation too).

This Jeep has been...well...not too cared for...and I am afraid to drop the pan, but at least I had solid metal wherever I drilled all those drain holes.

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Wouldn't the rust weaken the frame? I guess not too much.
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^^^ It will weaken the frame. How much is too much is hard to say.
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Well I hope op's frame isn't that much weaker.
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Old 08-22-2012, 12:34 AM   #49
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I found a company that makes a repair kit for Jeep frames. A reinforcing cap that is welded on, it looks like. It seems like a lot easier and cheaper than rebuilding the Jeep onto a new frame if it can fix the rusted areas...

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Safe-T-Cap - Auto Rust Technicians
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I found a company that makes a repair kit for Jeep frames. A reinforcing cap that is welded on, it looks like. It seems like a lot easier and cheaper than rebuilding the Jeep onto a new frame if it can fix the rusted areas...

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That looks like it will help a lot but I think I would just try and find a rust free fram for all the time and money of fixing yours, it might come out the same cost...
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Jeeps have horrible frames. Mine did the same and all that could be done was a frame swap. It's sitting on a new frame now 100% rust free. I went and looked at 10 97-99 Jeeps back in June, every single one had the frame rusting.
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Jeeps have horrible frames. Mine did the same and all that could be done was a frame swap. It's sitting on a new frame now 100% rust free. I went and looked at 10 97-99 Jeeps back in June, every single one had the frame rusting.
My opinions: Engineering failure. You can't make a enclose steel frame that lets water or other junk in and holds it inside indefinitely. No drains...nothing. It is like it is designed to rust out prematurely in any wet or salty climate.

Remember the old Mercedes from the '70s? Those seemed like they took forever to rust, if at all. They were designed and built with corrosion in mind--even though they weren't made of any kind of stainless steel.
The point is, it can be done.
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You can buy some modified roofing material to cover some of the holes that are exposed in the wheel wells. Cut patches big enough to cover the holes and torch the patched down. You probably only need a liner foot but probably have to buy a roll? A 30'x3' roll cost about $70.
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That should work. I think if I got a new Jeep right now, right away when it was dry and clean and rust-free, I'd spray the inside of the frame with Waxoil or Rustfighter, put in drain holes and cover the splashed areas' frame holes with something like that, or maybe just sheet plastic or rubber and glue it down. Hopefully, all that would help it out in the long run...and an ounce or prevention is worth 11 pounds of cure.
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That should work. I think if I got a new Jeep right now, right away when it was dry and clean and rust-free, I'd spray the inside of the frame with Waxoil or Rustfighter, put in drain holes and cover the splashed areas' frame holes with something like that, or maybe just sheet plastic or rubber and glue it down. Hopefully, all that would help it out in the long run...and an ounce or prevention is worth 11 pounds of cure.
Have u tried patching your frame rails yet, I would like to see some pictures????
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Yeah Post 41 above ^^^
I was concerned about allowing some air-flow/ventilation through the frame to dry any possible condensation, (but I don't know if that even matters). Anyway, I patched the ones where the splash seems most likely but not the inside ones, kind up out of the way. I think the drain holes will help...especially after reading the post here that had standing water pour out of his frame when he drilled into it.
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... an ounce or prevention is worth 11 pounds of cure.
Amen to that! Looks good Rob.
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Another reason why I love New Mexico.
Ha ha me too!

Although, I did have to clean up some surface rust between the skid and frame
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Amen to that! Looks good Rob.
Thanks, Jim.
Did you look at the website yet...the one with the repair channels?

...Might be worth looking into instead of piecing the whole Jeep onto a new frame. I can't imagine the time, and all the new hardware. Hoisting the engine, etc. Hope it can work for you to be cleaned up and reinforced in place (the frame, that is).

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