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Old 09-04-2007, 11:19 PM   #31
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I like how every one keeps ripping on "heel and toe" method.

If you know how to do it, it's safe. I dont want to sound like the most experience driver here but all you do is bend your foot a bit and kick the gas pedal to rev the engine and match the rpms... dont start with the syncros again!!! Your foot never comes off the brakes or anything, you just pivot it.

Now that you mention that "130mph fast and the furious 9".. those who attempt that are completely stupid. even just holding the brake wont help you while turning at 130mph. Just because i do heel and toe here and there.. it doesnt mean i'm going crazy and trying to treat it like a race car.

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Now that you mention that "130mph fast and the furious 9".. those who attempt that are completely stupid. even just holding the brake wont help you while turning at 130mph. Just because i do heel and toe here and there.. it doesnt mean i'm going crazy and trying to treat it like a race car.
You missed my point entirely. *End removed to avoid further syncro argument.

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Old 09-05-2007, 12:35 AM   #33
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You missed my point entirely. *End removed to avoid further syncro argument.


smooth downshifts/ride arent a good thing?
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I like how every one keeps ripping on "heel and toe" method.

If you know how to do it, it's safe.
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smooth downshifts/ride arent a good thing?
If you're regularly forced to stop so quickly that you can't take the split second necessary to properly manipulate the peddles, I think you may need to reevaluate your following distance.
You should be able to stop very smoothly by planning ahead. Propper peddle manipulation shouldn't yield jerks n chirps.














BTW, you have synchros so you don't need to double clutch
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Old 09-05-2007, 12:46 PM   #35
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keep in mind i dont know anything about clutches just how to drive them. not too new to em but never owned one before. i can drive one fine but sometimes like in 1st and i push the clutch back in it will kinda clunk. is that a bad thing? i was told from the previous owner its a new clutch.

other than that is it bad to down shift to slow down or to shift quicker to try and save gas and bring to rpms to like 1700 or so. i also read that its bad to let the clutch out a little bit to keep me from rolling back on a hill. is that true?

basically i just want to know the dos and donts of manuals.
The clunking noise should be minimal when the clutchplate engages. The key is to not have the engine RPM's too high when you dump the clutch. And when you do decide to dump the clutch, just dump it.... do not feather it. Feathering the clutch will cause excessive wear and/or warpage so really try to avoid this unless you absolutely have to like when you are stopped on a steep grade and you need to pull out into traffic.

If you smell something burning, then you know you are wearing your clutch....revise your driving habits. If the Jeep shakes excessively when you are dumping the clutch, then you have warped it and then you will need a replacement. If you treat it right, you should get a lot of mileage from it.

As you gain your confidence you can conserve your leg muscles a by Syncro shifting the transmission (up or down) without using the clutch. I would not advise neutral coasting. You should always have positive control on the vehicle so keep it in gear and downshift to reduce speed and use the engine to assist the breaking.

However, be very careful not to downshift at excessive speeds or in slippery conditions so that you lock up the rear differential. You can lose control of the vehicel if you do. While you are in gear, reduce speed by breaking then downshift and repeat as necessary.

Save the heel toe stuff for the race track.
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Old 09-05-2007, 12:48 PM   #36
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wow - I thought I knew how to drive until I started following this thread

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Old 09-05-2007, 04:01 PM   #37
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One last piece of advice (apart from the whole heel 'n toe discussion):

you will definitely want to ignore the stupid yellow arrow in the cluster trying to tell you that it's time to shift up. If I followed that suggestion I'd be driving around in 5th gear anytime I go faster than 35 mph
Plus you should be watching the road and not staring at your dash to see when the arrow lights up.
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keep in mind i dont know anything about clutches just how to drive them. not too new to em but never owned one before. i can drive one fine but sometimes like in 1st and i push the clutch back in it will kinda clunk. is that a bad thing? i was told from the previous owner its a new clutch.

other than that is it bad to down shift to slow down or to shift quicker to try and save gas and bring to rpms to like 1700 or so. i also read that its bad to let the clutch out a little bit to keep me from rolling back on a hill. is that true?

basically i just want to know the dos and donts of manuals.
did you get your questioned answered. lol.

basically you are fine. the more you drive it the better you will get. on hills while stopped use the brake peddle... of course, dont' slip the clutch the entire time while sitting still... you will need to slip it to get going again though but thats normal
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Old 09-05-2007, 05:30 PM   #39
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Thank you MOz!!!
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Old 09-06-2007, 02:41 PM   #40
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This is like asking what time it is and being told how to build a watch. I learned by just doing it. A friend asked me when I was 16 to help him drop off one of his cars at a shop. He had 2 cars to pick from, both manual trans. I had to just go. Unless your really bad at it you should be fine. Remember don't practice in traffic. Find a parking lot to practice in.
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[QUOTE=Triple88a;131563]Derek, i gotta agree with Catoct here. Heel and toe is NOT to be used until you at least get used to drive manual comfortably. I didn't try learning it until 2 months ago.. i've been driving manual for about 2 and a half years.

i see no need for the heel toe method unless you are racing or drifting. the last time i checked we are in jeeps. as for the heel toe method giving you smooth shifts i laugh at you kind sir. i have been driving manuals for about ten years now and i can shift just fine no jerking or anything with out the heel toe method so if you want to keep using that method and run the risk of getting you feet tangled under the dash go ahead and take that chance. no amount of talk will make me change my mind on the heel toe method. just my 2 cents
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wow - I thought I knew how to drive until I started following this thread

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so far my foot has never been tangled or even being close to being tangled... its not worth trying to change your opinions. i'm doing it on daily basis and feel completely safe that i will not get my foot tangled or have it slip or anything of that sort. Its not worth arguing because many of you have never tried it nor seen it done in real life, just seen few movies and think its complicated and dangerous.
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no its not that i have only seen it in movies. i have field tested tried and true method that have never let me down for many years. i just dont really see the point of the heel toe trick when mine works
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This is like asking what time it is and being told how to build a watch. I learned by just doing it.
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when mine works

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just using two pedals at a time. not trying to use all three. and just listening to the engine

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