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Old 10-03-2006, 05:08 PM   #1
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I'm new to the game - need advice

I pulled the trigger on the Wrangler early. So now I have some work to do and some money to spend to make it right.

I got a 2006 "X". It's got 3.73 and limited slip, that's about it.

What I want to do with the vehicle: Mostly on the road, but I want to be able to get down some trails when I need to. I will do some traveling on the beach and over dunes, and occaisionally go up some trails to fishing/camping spots in Colorado and NM.

Initial thoughts: 4" Lift kit, and 33x1250's on 15x8's.

What I've read: Can the Dana 35 and put a Dana 44 or I'll break down. Is that the case. And if I replace the rear end should I go to a different gear ratio? I'd appreciate some detail in your answers so I at least know what additional questions to ask. Thanks

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Someone else might be able to clarify this for me, but I didn't think they put the factory trac lock (limited slip) in the dana 35? Nor did I think that they put 3.73's in the 35 either from the factory. Are you sure that you have the D35?

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Old 10-03-2006, 06:22 PM   #3
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Someone else might be able to clarify this for me, but I didn't think they put the factory trac lock (limited slip) in the dana 35? Nor did I think that they put 3.73's in the 35 either from the factory. Are you sure that you have the D35?
I believe this is correct.

This also sounds like an automatic transmission, but I could be wrong, which will be fine with 33's I believe, but you will have to drive it first to see if you can live with it. Sounds like you have a good plan for your Jeep, at least to start.
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With no locker in the rear the dana 35 can usually handle 33's on the road and on easier trails. The 44 would of course would solve most problems. Cost for a used 44 figure $1000-$1500. 3.73's are fine with 33's in the 5spd and will be okay in the auto. Lots of good 4" kits out there. Keep in mind you may need a SYE kit for the transfercase with that size lift. I also would say its better to save up for a more complete lift that spending a bit now then adding later.
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Someone else might be able to clarify this for me, but I didn't think they put the factory trac lock (limited slip) in the dana 35? Nor did I think that they put 3.73's in the 35 either from the factory. Are you sure that you have the D35?
Actually I'm not. Someone on another forum told me I did. Can you tell me how to determine what I have. I may be chasing my tail.

It's a 6-speed manual
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Actually I'm not. Someone on another forum told me I did. Can you tell me how to determine what I have. I may be chasing my tail.

It's a 6-speed manual
I just purchased a 2004 TJ with a 5-speed and a 4inch. I have 33x12.50-15's I have had it off road a little but nothing to rough. I was told that if there is a metal drain plug on your diff then that is a 44 if it is rubber then it is a 35. I could be wrong though. I plan on getting a slip yoke eliminator for mine. Its better to be safe than sorry. annd on top of that if I ever want to go with a bigger lift then I will already have the sye. Someone help me out here..I thought only Rubicons came with 44's??
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Won't be able to check mine before late tonight. I found this information, but was unable to confirm it. It's for '97-'06 TJ's

"Axle ratio is stamped on the Axle Cover. The stamped numbers on the left or right axle tube can also ID the axle"
Dana 35 - "194 RBI" and comes in gear ratios of: 3.07; 3.55; 3.73; 4.10; 4.11; 4.56
Dana 44 - "216 RBI" and comes in same ratios except not 4.56
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I just purchased a 2004 TJ with a 5-speed and a 4inch. I have 33x12.50-15's I have had it off road a little but nothing to rough. I was told that if there is a metal drain plug on your diff then that is a 44 if it is rubber then it is a 35. I could be wrong though. I plan on getting a slip yoke eliminator for mine. Its better to be safe than sorry. annd on top of that if I ever want to go with a bigger lift then I will already have the sye. Someone help me out here..I thought only Rubicons came with 44's??
yep they only come with 44's (axles that is)
and yep thats right 44 has metal square plug
35 has rubber circle plug
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Won't be able to check mine before late tonight. I found this information, but was unable to confirm it. It's for '97-'06 TJ's

"Axle ratio is stamped on the Axle Cover. The stamped numbers on the left or right axle tube can also ID the axle"
Dana 35 - "194 RBI" and comes in gear ratios of: 3.07; 3.55; 3.73; 4.10; 4.11; 4.56
Dana 44 - "216 RBI" and comes in same ratios except not 4.56
yeah the axle ratio will be stamped on the left side and it will be the top left number and then a space and the next two numbers coming down
i think its like this

3#
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7#
3#

except yours may or may not have 3.73's and of course it won't have the tic tac toes
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My 02 X came with factory LSD and 3.73. I think it was a part of the 30" upgraded tire package.

As for running 33's on 3.73 gears, many people do it but when I went to 31's I was not really happy with the performance but since I started with the 3.73's any change was noticeable (I now have 4.11's with the 31's).

In my opinion, 33's vs 31's are more a matter of bragging rights than anything else. You will be hard pressed to find places that the 33 will get you thru that can't be done with the 31's.

Also, the lift and other parts needed to run 31's right is much cheaper than setting up for 33's.
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I started with an '04 X model. All X's only came with a dana 35, and you cannot order an x with a 44 (part of the x package). as far as your ratio is concerned, it is not stamped on the housing or cover, but, there should be a metal tag attached to your rear housing cover and that will have your ratio stamped on it along with an axle code that can be decoded at your dealership, or they can run your vin and tell you what your vehicle was ordered with. Most X's came from the factory with open diff's and 3.07's. As far as strength is concerned the D35 is weak. I had mine upgraded with the super 35 kit (so my axles wouldn't break with 33's and a locker), but I still broke bolts holding the ring gear to the carrier (and that thrashed my R and P). So in the end I spent the money trying to strengthen the 35 and had to upgrade to a 44 anyway. Just some thoughts.
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So in the end I spent the money trying to strengthen the 35 and had to upgrade to a 44 anyway. Just some thoughts.

That's what I've been hearing elsewhere. Do you still have the 30 in the front?
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Are you sure you have a dana 35? It seems to me that the 3.73's are all dana 44's. . . rocky mountain editions and sahara's and such. . .
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I do still have the 30 in the front, but I only put a trutrac in it, so I haven't any problems with it, but I do plan on upgrading to a 44 later. Typically if you don't go over 33" and don't use a locker, you can get away with stock axles. But once you start getting really hardcore, stock stuff starts to go out the window.
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........ Typically if you don't go over 33" and don't use a locker, you can get away with stock axles. But once you start getting really hardcore, stock stuff starts to go out the window.

So to start, I could put the Lift Kit, SYE, CV Kit, Wheels and Tires, (15x8's and 33x12.50's) and I'd be okay as long as I didn't get hardcore? Then next year, I could upgrade to the Dana 44's?
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That looks like a good plan.

You will be suprised how much you can do with a setup like that.

Hardcore is relative, the things a stock jeep will do is considered hardcore when running other kinds of vehicles.
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Yeah you should be fine, but I wouldn't put a locker in it, mine broke down roadside after the locker engaged and snapped the head and shank off a ring gear bolt (detroit locker). That's why I went with a 44 and a trutrac (they claim 95% lockup with the trutrac) and the one in my front hasn't let me down. So with a 44, alloy shaft and a trutrac in the back, I shouldn't have problems again. If I find something I can't drive up, I have a winch with enough rated load that I could winch it up a tree if needed (lol). But anyway good luck and if you're having any questions during install, there's a lot of good help on this site.
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What happens if you put a true trac in a 35? WIll it break?
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There's a lot of things on a Dana35 that can and will break. If you get too jiggy with the go pedal on a U-turn with a locked D35 you can break shafts. This is just my opinion, if I had a jeep with a D35 in it then I would spend the money to lock the front instead and would not sink a red nickel into the rear until I could upgrade. The front can take much more abuse than the rear can because of the amount of force that is always on the rear axle when wheeling.

I'm running the D30 front locked on 35's and yeah am I going to blow up a ujoint or snap a shaft someday? Yup, probably because I spend all my wheelin time on the rocks, but I also got spares, tools, and I know how to change it on the trail. Don't knock stock parts. They have and will take you plenty of places wheelin. However the D35 is an exception and just plain sucks.
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Thanks guys, you've all been a tremendous amount of help.

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