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Old 09-12-2013, 11:31 AM   #1
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I have been wanting a jeep forever and i'm finally ready to buy. I've been looking for about 3 months and I've found that it's impossible to appraise these things on regular website so i'm leaving it up to you guys to say if this is a good deal or not. If it is i will be buying it tonight . So It's a very clean 2000 sahara with 120000 miles. The only aftermarket parts were an extra pair of lights on the front bumper and a deck. It's not an off roader. It's got both tops but the soft has a rip in the back window. Hardly any rust but maybe 2 very small rust spots. It's a inline 6 and runs very smooth. The guy bought it 3000 miles ago and 6 months ago from a dealer. He bought it for 9500 at a dealer. Listed it for 9000. Got an offer for 8300. The guy never called him back. So now he's ready to take my 8000 offer. But it drives me crazy to see these kbb and edmunds appraisals around 6000. I know it's wrong but it makes it so much harder to pull the trigger...

Thanks for any help you guys.
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In my personal opinion if a Jeep has any rust I refuse to pay anymore than what KBB has as "fair' condition. This jeep here looks clean but there will likely be cheaper jeeps with no rust at all. Offer him 6500-7000$ I wouldnt go anymore.
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Depending on you local market....$8000 for it is not unreasonable.
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Depending on you local market....$8000 for it is not unreasonable.
That's what I've heard. And Most of the wranglers in this area are like this. But will they be in a year? It's a bit of a confusing situation for me.
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I agree with the other two, just because he got ripped doesn't mean you have to. Going back to him with an honest value and offer to buy may offend him but I'd be willing to be it's more because he feels like a sap for overpaying in the first place! $9000 is for an exceptionally clean model with near zero defects.

I too would suggest $5500 to $6500, no more.
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In my personal opinion if a Jeep has any rust I refuse to pay anymore than what KBB has as "fair' condition. This jeep here looks clean but there will likely be cheaper jeeps with no rust at all. Offer him 6500-7000$ I wouldnt go anymore.
That's the jeep in the picture that i'm thinking of buying. I don't know if i can Offer him that low. I've tried that with the last guy and people take such offense when you offer them around the kbb price unlike most cars.
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Hardly any rust but maybe 2 very small rust spots.
Take a screw driver and poke around on the frame, especially around the control arm brackets and see if there is any hidden rust. I've found in our area that Jeeps typically sell for more than KBB, although sometimes someone will price in accordance with it, but those don't last long. I found a deal like that on mine, but it wasn't the norm. Personally, $8K seems a little high to me, but I don't live in Minnesota.
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I'm starting to get the vibe here. If it wasn't for yall i would have probably bought this.. Thanks for the help! I shall continue my search! Already found a pretty decent one i might check out tonight!
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I think if I was going to pay top dollar for any vehicle I would expect it to be near perfect. It took me quite a few months to find my less than perfect TJ, a 2002X, 6-cyl, 5spd, with 163k, for $4500. It's a no-rust South Carolina car with 2 previous owners. It had no mods at all and I spent almost 2K on it the first month to replace the top, install a bedrug, fix the AC, tuneup, and other miscellaneous items. It could still use a paint job, lift kit, and bigger tires but I don't think I could get my money back on these items.

Now that I've owned my first one the second one will be a lot easier. I know the value of lift kits, tires, wheels, options, etc and can make a much better informed pricing decision. If you can afford it I would suggest you look for one that has had all the mods you want already installed...unless of course money is not an issue and you can do most of the labor yourself. Good Luck
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Depending on what your future plans are 8G's might be a good deal. Hardtop, full doors, D44 rear might save you some cash in the future. Something to think about.
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Rule number one: KBB, edmunds, black book, blue book, etc etc are worthless when it comes to jeeps. Its all on condition, and I've never had an issue selling them well above the book value.
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Rule number one: KBB, edmunds, black book, blue book, etc etc are worthless when it comes to jeeps. Its all on condition, and I've never had an issue selling them well above the book value.
It's not that they're worthless. The demand for jeeps just allows them to be consistently sold above those listed prices. Try to get 20% over BB on a trade in... Won't happen. Why? The dealer does not "need" (demand) your jeep
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I never trade anything but thats me The dealer never needs your vehicle as much as you need a new one.
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That's what I've heard. And Most of the wranglers in this area are like this. But will they be in a year? It's a bit of a confusing situation for me.
The good news is that if you maintain it, several years from now it will still be near worth what you paid. TJ's hold their resale very well, even with fairly high miles.
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The good news is you're deterred, but still long to be in a Wrangler. You definitely have the addiction. I have had so many conversations on their value. They're spartan at best, uncomfortable, terrible gas mileage, unreliable.........and I can't wait till I pick mine up this week!!!
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And Jeep prices like motorcycles can be seasonal. Everyone gets all excited to buy in the spring, fewer people want a Jeep in winter.

The extra top is probably worth approximately $500. If it has a Dana 44 rear axle, that's a bonus.
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Bingo: KBB and NADA are only for private sales. Dealer wouldnt give this guy a dime more then about 5800. Jeeps may be popular but they are also COMMON...they are EVERYWHERE. That's a 2000? I just bought an 02 "X" that was pretty clean: 130K miles, only some surface rust on the frame and under the floor mats. Typical wear: tear in the seat, dirty/worn carpet, etc. Got it for 6K. He had it in the Auto Shopper for 8K. The Sahara might be worth a couple bucks more for the nice trim, but it's still a Jeep. Offer him 6500$. If he gets mad: so what...you have NOTHING to lose...only HE does...and he might just be tired enough of looking at it, and thinking about it, and sweating over it to go for it.
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This would be a pretty good deal in my area. That is just how it is, in my area the asking price would probably be $8-10k, but in other areas it may be a $5-7k dollar jeep.
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I bought mine for $8k 7 yrs ago with the exact same deal your looking at minus the bad window and in black. I live in the cities and it took me 8 months to find anything in that good of shape around here. It's a rough area for jeeps w/o rust. Check the frame ,below/behind the taillights and front floor boards. Offer $7k, If he doesn't take it leave your number and he might be calling you back. Good luck
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Yea, when I went to look at mine, I brought a bro with me who is *much* more savvy at buying then I...I was a bit intimidated about making an offer in the range I wanted to pay vs what he was asking. We went over every inch of this Jeep and my bro had a slip of paper with everything that needed attention. You would be surprised at *any* vehicle, if you look hard enough and remain objective. Stuff that needed attention *on paper* became the basis for justifying my offer...guy saw I was serious (plus I had cash) and went for it...I didn't expect him to, actually! I was a happy mofo that day! Nothing ventured, truly, nothing gained.....
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Looks like i will probably be buying it tomorrow for 7800. If anybody has any reason why I should not, speak now or forever hold your peace! For real tho! I'm irrationally afraid of spending money. I want some brutally honest shit. Thanks to everyone who has responded so far. Been a lot of help!
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I concur with all posts, especially with Mr Mac saying "just because he got ripped off doesn't mean you have to too..."

I may not know much about Jeeps (learning more every day) but I wasn't born yesterday. I bought my TJ w/ 150k (hard and soft tops, full doors, original owner) for $4,800; $1,200 less than the guy was asking. And like biggus35 I have had to dump money into fixing up a few things that the PO neglected (over of $1,000 so far).

The first thing I did was told him I was in no rush to buy, but not just a lookey-loo. Second thing I did was pointed out any defect I could find (i.e. worn tires, dented hood, chipped paint, rust on the frame, etc.) and acted like I knew much more than I did. Third thing I did was I brought cash - hard for a seller to turn down a thick stack of hundos.

Maybe it is in amazing condition after 13 winters and 130k, but I have to beg the question - if it is in top dollar shape, why is the guy wanting to dump it so quickly?
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Not terrible, but not great either. That'd easily list for the asking price or closer to 10 in my area. If I paid around 7500 & called it a day I'd be ok, especially if it had a dana44. Think of it this way, you could rack up another 50k in miles & easily walk away with 6000 or more in a few years. Not many other vehicles hold that value.
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I concur with all posts, especially with Mr Mac saying "just because he got ripped off doesn't mean you have to too..."

I may not know much about Jeeps (learning more every day) but I wasn't born yesterday. I bought my TJ w/ 150k (hard and soft tops, full doors, original owner) for $4,800; $1,200 less than the guy was asking. And like biggus35 I have had to dump money into fixing up a few things that the PO neglected (over of $1,000 so far).

The first thing I did was told him I was in no rush to buy, but not just a lookey-loo. Second thing I did was pointed out any defect I could find (i.e. worn tires, dented hood, chipped paint, rust on the frame, etc.) and acted like I knew much more than I did. Third thing I did was I brought cash - hard for a seller to turn down a thick stack of hundos.

Maybe it is in amazing condition after 13 winters and 130k, but I have to beg the question - if it is in top dollar shape, why is the guy wanting to dump it so quickly?
Well, I understand that.. But it's only 120k and it's in great condition also its a sahara. I drove it and it didn't have any problems. If you consider your jeep is over 5800 after repairs. It's 30k more mileage and not a sahara, Also it's in pretty sweet conditon. Like i said it was at a dealer 3000 miles ago. So they did some work on it before they sold it. I think that comes close to worth the extra 2000 i will be paying. Is that faulty logic? Please let me know!
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Not terrible, but not great either. That'd easily list for the asking price or closer to 10 in my area. If I paid around 7500 & called it a day I'd be ok, especially if it had a dana44. Think of it this way, you could rack up another 50k in miles & easily walk away with 6000 or more in a few years. Not many other vehicles hold that value.
I don't know if it does have a dana44. I don't know how that came into question. But I never asked the guy nor do i think he knows. How would i find that out? Thanks for your perspective btw.
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I don't know if it does have a dana44. I don't know how that came into question. But I never asked the guy nor do i think he knows. How would i find that out? Thanks for your perspective btw.
You could run the vin or take a look downstairs. The 44 is a much stronger axle will pay big dividends down the road should you decide to run bigger tires

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You could run the vin or take a look downstairs. The 44 is a much stronger axle will pay big dividends down the road should you decide to run bigger tires

Roger that, I'll check it tomorrow before i purchase. Is it a game changer if it doesn't? I don't plan on running bigger tires.
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If you don't plan on running bigger tires it shouldn't make a difference really if it is not a 44. However it could certainly add value to your vehicle for resale if it has the Dana 44s.
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Looks like i will probably be buying it tomorrow for 7800. If anybody has any reason why I should not, speak now or forever hold your peace! For real tho! I'm irrationally afraid of spending money. I want some brutally honest shit. Thanks to everyone who has responded so far. Been a lot of help!
For 7800 I'd do it. You said it's clean and in good shape. Could you get one for a few hundred less in comparable shape? Probably. Could that take many months of scratching around, haggling, inspecting, traveling, and time investment? Probably. Is all that hassle worth a few hundred, or would you rather be driving your Jeep for that time...?

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