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Old 10-10-2013, 10:22 PM   #31
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k, how bout if you slid under it to change the oil and hit the button? Better example? Any which way, it's not hard to hook up for a lil extra protection from 'accidents'
Nope, same example. And same answer. Won't happen. Keys, knife, phone, and wallet get removed when I need to get on the ground. I don't like to have anything bothering me while I lay on the drive way.

Safety is always important, but it's also personal preference.

My M&P 9 doesn't have a safety. I removed it. (Safety-less models from the factory were all sold out) It's been 3 years, no accidents yet. Nor will there be. Common sense and good trigger/remote start button finger control go a long way.

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Aiy, I'm sure you yourself may be that cautious and careful to never have an accident in your life, but you aren't the one that is using/driving twlightnings' Jeep, or anyone else that reads/tries a remote start in their Jeep...

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Aiy, I'm sure you yourself may be that cautious and careful to never have an accident in your life, but you aren't the one that is using/driving twlightnings' Jeep, or anyone else that reads/tries a remote start in their Jeep...
True story. So let's make this official:

Wire the NSS wire to the ground side of the NSS switch. Safety first!!
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True story. So let's make this official:

Wire the NSS wire to the ground side of the NSS switch. Safety first!!
Cheers, but it needs to go to the other side of the NSS (BR/LB)
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Cheers, but it needs to go to the other side of the NSS (BR/LB)
Yeah that.
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Thanks for the help guys, I let you know how it goes. Hopefully I will have time to fool with it this weekend.
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I also need to install a remote start before the snow comes. I have a few questions but don't want to hijack this thread so I will add my 2 cents for your install before I ask...

Crimping tools and connectors and zip ties are easy to use and get the job done fair enough, BUT with a cheap soldering iron, some heat shrink tubing and a roll of friction tape, you not only get 100% solid connections that wont corrode or vibrate "open", you get a factory looking install.

If you are not sure what I'm talking about, crimp a connector on 2 wires "short", then wiggle and pull the wires and they will usually pull right out of the connectors and open your circuit. Soldering may be overkill for speakers or lighting (I don't think it is), but for vital wiring that interrupts your ignition, this (in my opinion) is the better way... peace

Is there some sort of indicator on the remote that says the jeep has started?

My jeep starts the second time (loses it's prime), will I need to replace my fuel pump to use a remote start, or can I just hit the button, wait a sec, and hit it again (like I start the jeep with the ignition)?

Can I start the jeep normally with the key after installing one or will I need the remote? (is there an automatic bypass when the key is used)

Lastly, can I wire one of the accessory buttons (door lock, trunk pop) to my windshield lights relay to turn them on or off remotely (for no good reason)?
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Yeah I just cut them. If you plan on using the alarm on a different vehicle is just tie them off. You don't need ignition 2. And the accessory wire you need is the middle size. There are 3 different sizes of the same colored wire. Pick the middle one. I found the cheat sheet. Give me a chance to print it out and (cleanly) rewrite it and I'll post it up.
The 1st accessory would power things like radio and the second accessory would power things like the fan motor. (Example only not sure which accessories it really does). You would want all the wires listed to be hooked up as stated on the list provided above.
The difference between an accessory wire and an Ignition wire is Ignition will have 12v running thru it while the key is on and even when the starter is on. An accessory wire will show 12v only when the key is on,when you turn the key to start, the wire will stop sending 12v and when you release the start it will show 12v again. You'll notice that your fan will stop running for a second when you go to start the jeep, and start again when you release your key, while the radio will continue to play when starting.
Some remote starts have multiple Ignition and accessory outputs, you can even program them to change function as needed. You wouldn't want to just jump a second wire to the second accessory as they a separately fused and you would essentially be tying them together and allowing the power to back feed into the other wire. Each output from the remote starter has a diode that would prevent backfeeding.
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I also need to install a remote start before the snow comes. I have a few questions but don't want to hijack this thread so I will add my 2 cents for your install before I ask...

Crimping tools and connectors and zip ties are easy to use and get the job done fair enough, BUT with a cheap soldering iron, some heat shrink tubing and a roll of friction tape, you not only get 100% solid connections that wont corrode or vibrate "open", you get a factory looking install.

If you are not sure what I'm talking about, crimp a connector on 2 wires "short", then wiggle and pull the wires and they will usually pull right out of the connectors and open your circuit. Soldering may be overkill for speakers or lighting (I don't think it is), but for vital wiring that interrupts your ignition, this (in my opinion) is the better way... peace

Is there some sort of indicator on the remote that says the jeep has started?

My jeep starts the second time (loses it's prime), will I need to replace my fuel pump to use a remote start, or can I just hit the button, wait a sec, and hit it again (like I start the jeep with the ignition)?

Can I start the jeep normally with the key after installing one or will I need the remote? (is there an automatic bypass when the key is used)

Lastly, can I wire one of the accessory buttons (door lock, trunk pop) to my windshield lights relay to turn them on or off remotely (for no good reason)?
X2 on soldering. But bring enough gun, some of these wires are 12 gauge which gets pretty hard for a small solder gun to melt solder into. You'll need some good quality tape such as Scotch 88+ (sold at home depot). It will not fall off in hot weather, or crack in cold. Or heat shrink(tape is easier)

The indicator that its running is the running lights turn on while the remote start is running (as long as you hook up that wire). They will shut off normally when you put the key in and press the brake to begin driving. There are remotes that are 2 way or even others that use your cell phone to start but that's depending on which unit you got.

As for starting on the second time, this is where I would recommend using the Tach wire. It will stop attempting to start once it receives signal that its running. The other way is to time the starter pulse for .8 or 1 or even 1.5 seconds but that can strain your starter over time.

Your key will start normally when you don't use your remote starter. You'll need to insert it anyway to move the ignition to 'ON' so you can drive.

As for the windshield lights the optional programmable things like trunk pop are only a pulse to make them function. Your lights would only flash if you wire to one of these. Most systems come with another out put wire that would you would use to activate a relay to run another function while the remote start is running.

Hope this helps
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Soldering does not make reliable mechanical connections. For large gauge wire you should use crimps connectors.
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Soldering does not make reliable mechanical connections. For large gauge wire you should use crimps connectors.
Huh? Please cite your source
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Huh? Please cite your source
This guy is unbelievable. I just had an issue with him jumping into a post with similar drivel the other day with one sentence statements of his "facts". I thought thats what Honda forums were for. Lol
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You can google anything along the lines of "solder joint mechanical reliability" and get tons of technical papers on the issue, but I'll cite some real world experience.

I work for an aerospace company and do quite a bit of soldering. One of your products (linear electro-magnetic actuators) requires soldering lead wire to the solid copper coil leads. It also requires a thermistor to be soldered to lead wires. These then got potted in Hysol epoxy.

These joints are the number 1 failure point. We actually stopped production on the these this summer to work with the buyer to come up with a more reliable process. We changed solder types and cleaning process to get more reliable joints. We also look at each joint under a microscope to verify quality.

Bottom line, it's very hard to get a reliable joint with large gauge wire. It requires a LOT of heat to not get a "cold joint" that's very likely to fracture. Using crimp connectors is simpler and gives you a very reliable mechanical connection.
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Bottom line, it's very hard to get a reliable joint with large gauge wire. It requires a LOT of heat to not get a "cold joint" that's very likely to fracture. Using crimp connectors is simpler and gives you a very reliable mechanical connection.
Thank you for those fun facts, I've never heard "mechanical connection" used in wiring before... but I'm no engineer, but am an aspi... it's close... I'm a simple CET (tech), work with the little stuff... Interesting info about the bigger stuff... noted.
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The indicator that its running is the running lights turn on while the remote start is running (as long as you hook up that wire). They will shut off normally when you put the key in and press the brake to begin driving. There are remotes that are 2 way or even others that use your cell phone to start but that's depending on which unit you got.

As for starting on the second time, this is where I would recommend using the Tach wire. It will stop attempting to start once it receives signal that its running. The other way is to time the starter pulse for .8 or 1 or even 1.5 seconds but that can strain your starter over time.

Your key will start normally when you don't use your remote starter. You'll need to insert it anyway to move the ignition to 'ON' so you can drive.

As for the windshield lights the optional programmable things like trunk pop are only a pulse to make them function. Your lights would only flash if you wire to one of these. Most systems come with another out put wire that would you would use to activate a relay to run another function while the remote start is running.

Hope this helps
Thanks... good info, you seem to be very knowledgeable on this subject. If you don't mind I'd like to hit you up again when I'm ready, and quit hijacking this dudes thread...
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Thank you for those fun facts, I've never heard "mechanical connection" used in wiring before... but I'm no engineer, but am an aspi... it's close... I'm a simple CET (tech), work with the little stuff... Interesting info about the bigger stuff... noted.
I don't think a lot of people properly understand how complex the process of soldering and crimping are.

Here's an interesting manual from Molex on the subject of crimping. Most of it's pretty dry but the first couple pages are interesting.

http://www.molex.com/pdm_docs/ats/TM-638000029.pdf

Wikipedia page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimp_connection

Note the bullet point:

"Potentially superior mechanical characteristics due to strain relief and lack of solder wicking"
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any suggestions on a car alarm for a 2000 jeep wrangler?
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^don't bother... Why would you need remote start in a 4.0L? The heat is at Texas summer levels in about 2 minutes.
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You'll be fine with most brand named stuff. Compustar is one of my favorites, especially if its a standard vehicle. Autopage, DEI (which has many names under them like Viper etc.)...
Installation is the biggest part, if not done right you'll hate any brand because of issues!

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