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Old 01-04-2012, 08:01 AM   #1
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Question Installing OME 2.5" lift

our exclusive dealer is offering to install a full kit + coil spacers + TC drop for 2000$

the kit includes:

4x nitrocharger sport shocks.
2x HD front coils
2x LD rear coils
steering stabilizer
TC drop kit
4x 1.25" coil spacers (will replace my existing coil spacers)
(i might be missing something)

i already have 1.5" coil spacers, and i was wondering if it is easy to install the lift myself to save the labor money.

i am planning to install later a BL + MML

Related tips and advice are much appreciated.

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you don't want to install coil spacers with lift springs, especially not OME's long length springs. do a little research on something called coil bind and how it damages your springs long term.

if you want 4" of lift, buy 4" lift springs. you can also add a 1.25" body lift for extra clearance with any lift, if you like. don't forget to adjust/measure the bumpstop extensions by pushing the axle to full bump. you'll need longer brake lines too. adjustable track bars or stock track bar modifications will be necessary to center the axle. adjustable track bars can create bad interferences issues, so make sure to do your homework on how much bumpstop is necessary and if that will work for you.

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i can't find any ome 4" lift here, the only one available is the 2.5" and they are always have this setup on wranglers here and no one ever told me bad news about this setup. is there any workaround for this situation? coz my mind is set on OMEs
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I got 3&3/34" of lift from my kit from dpg offroad
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i can't find any ome 4" lift here, the only one available is the 2.5" and they are always have this setup on wranglers here and no one ever told me bad news about this setup. is there any workaround for this situation? coz my mind is set on OMEs
well OME does make 4" lift springs, and 4" lift shocks. Lots of other companies make them too....Currie, Clayton Off-Road, Rubicon Express, BDS, Zone Off-Road, and many many more.

The way you remedy this situation is really simple. If you can't find what you want at your supposed "exclusive dealer" then find somebody else. Call the companies directly and ask them for a distributor or dealer in your area, or see if they'll ship directly to you. Lots of companies ship stuff all over the world, so theres no reason to think your situation is special.

A suspension lift is nothing more than combination of components you need to replace when lifting a vehicle. Theres no reason you need to buy it in a "kit", and most kits are NOT complete anyway.

Do your homework, use the phone, and buy the components individually that will fit your needs.
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What's wrong with a 2.5" OME lift and a 1.25" Body Lift? With your stock rubber isolator pads in the front (they're on top of the springs) that'll make your 2.5" into a 2.75" plus the 1.25" body lift will give you 4" total. that's a safe & sound way to do it, and if you do a 1" motor mount lift when you do the body lift, you shouldn't have to do the TC drop.
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I'm seeing $795 in parts (OME kit - coils, shocks, tcase lowering kit, trackbar bracket; with steering stabilizer)

and $1205 in labor.......??????? wow.

I don't know any company that makes 1.25" coil spacers, and even if they did, as the others have said, I wouldn't run them with the coil lift. 3/4" spacer in the front is widely used to compensate for a heavy front end, but there is no need to install 2.5" coils and throw 1.25" coils on top of them.

With that setup they didn't tell you about the new front adjustable trackbar that you'll need, or that the provided OME rear TB bracket is not enough to center the rear axle with that much lift.

They probably also didn't tell you that 3.75" of lift is too much for the shocks that come in the kit, and you will also need longer sway bar links. The included bumpstop extensions are also not going to be long enough.


Edit - I see you are in Lebanon, so I can see the price being higher...but still.
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What's wrong with a 2.5" OME lift and a 1.25" Body Lift? With your stock rubber isolator pads in the front (they're on top of the springs) that'll make your 2.5" into a 2.75" plus the 1.25" body lift will give you 4" total. that's a safe & sound way to do it, and if you do a 1" motor mount lift when you do the body lift, you shouldn't have to do the TC drop.
that was the original plan, but unlimited got me worried now.

as for shipping, it will cost much more to have it shipped to my area, and i am very sure that he is the only one that i can get the OME parts from (in my area)
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I'm seeing $795 in parts (OME kit - coils, shocks, tcase lowering kit, trackbar bracket; with steering stabilizer)

and $1205 in labor.......??????? wow.

I don't know any company that makes 1.25" coil spacers, and even if they did, as the others have said, I wouldn't run them with the coil lift. 3/4" spacer in the front is widely used to compensate for a heavy front end, but there is no need to install 2.5" coils and throw 1.25" coils on top of them.

With that setup they didn't tell you about the new front adjustable trackbar that you'll need, or that the provided OME rear TB bracket is not enough to center the rear axle with that much lift.

They probably also didn't tell you that 4.75" of lift is too much for the shocks that come in the kit, and you will also need longer sway bar links. The included bumpstop extensions are also not going to be long enough.


Edit - I see you are in Lebanon, so I can see the price being higher...but still.
wow i see your point, i dunno if the guy did not tell me the details, but i think it will be safer if he installed it coz he grantees that, and i quote " will run like a Cadillac"

as for the price, since there is no competition, he is always asking too much for his exclusive stuff, he's the exclusive ARB & Warn provider in the area too!
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The proper OME kit for your Jeep (dependant on how it is setup) will ride very well for the money. Adding those spacers in there is just going to throw the whole system out of whack.

If you're going that high with the suspension and OME is the route you're set on, at least just go for their 4" coils and shocks to match. You will have to put the rest of it together on your own, but there is no need for 4" of combined coil lift when you can just run a 4" coil from the start.
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ok will do, i'll tell him to order 4" coils and shocks, i can wait.

thanks for the help guys
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that was the original plan, but unlimited got me worried now.

as for shipping, it will cost much more to have it shipped to my area, and i am very sure that he is the only one that i can get the OME parts from (in my area)
you said nothing about a 1.25" Body lift (BL) in your original post.

You said you wanted to use 1.25" coil spacers in addition to lift springs, which is what I disagreed with for several reasons.

In fact, in my first response, I even mentioned a 1.25" BL as an option. If you don't understand the difference between coil spacers and a body lift, you need to do a lot more learning before buying anything.
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the BL was going to be installed after the OME setup, as for the coil spacers, got confused with the 0.25 rubber isolated pads, which i didn't know about coz most probably my lifting experience is in leaf springs; anyway it's not something to get so sensitive and start bashing at.

if you read carefully, i mentioned in my first post coil spacers and body lift separately, don't try to point out that i don't know a such a simple difference.

If i was an expert i wouldn't have asked for advice.

thanks for your info anyway.
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It does seem that certain people on here have been a little testy lately, finding fault with wrongly typed words or perhaps a misstatement or two, a bad link or whatnot. Don't worry, not all of us take offense at a misstatement. Fortunately, we are not all perfect.
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I have the OME 2.5 and 1.25 BL

I have the Old Man Emu 2.5 plus a 1.25 body lift. Works great with plenty of room for my 33 x 12.5 tires on 15 x 9 rims. I have attached a link for their application guide and parent website. The one advise I would give is ensure you install the required for installation components in the application guide. I bought my jeep with the basic kit (OMETJHK) installed but have since added some other items. I installed 1 inch engine mount spacers along with a new steering damper, transfer case spacer kit, etc. My only regret is not just replacing ball joints, control arm bushings or adjustable control arms. I did have my caster adjusted to 4.0 from the factory 7.0 setting.

On a side note: Don't sweat the posts where someone seems abrasive; I agree some certainly read a little condescending but the written word seldom comes through the way it was meant. This forum is super for lessons learned and success stories.

The lift shouldn't be too hard to install with a couple of buddies to do over a weekend with beer and pizza, my recommendation is hold on the beer until work is done... Good Luck and post some pics when it is done
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I am not sure and don't want to assume--Lebanon in the states or over seas?

I got my OME lift about a year ago--and am very happy with it. It is the "2-2.5" lift.

I got more than that. With a BL and mml I will be set to go to run 33"s and not have to change so many parts. My cost here in Indiana was $1200 installed.
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As I have a Rancho 2.5" lift and a JKS 1.25" body lift with a 1" MML. (I would have went with OME but Rancho had a sale at the time.) That got me up on 33"s. Might want to read up about bumpstops and the proper length for the lift your going to install. Good Luck and we look forward to the pictures.
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@ john, thanks for the info, so that's settled, i will exchange the coil spacers with body spacers and add the ML, i will try to get rid of the TC drop but i read somewhere here that some ppl have to install both to get rid of vibrations, i guess i will have to try without it first. and i'll keep in mind the replacement list that you have mentionned

@jp unfortunately i'm in the overseas one, i saw these prices online and was shocked at the price difference, but i have no choice. Also, do you disconnect your swaybar? coz i've told that it's highly possible to rub at full flex+ disconnected when less than 4"
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No discos -----yet--will probably happen when I do BL and mml + 33's----haven't needed it so far---but fairly "tame" off road--never been stuck so bad I couldn't drive out of it--by backing up picking "new line". I am more of an easy wheeler trail ride guy.
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As I have a Rancho 2.5" lift and a JKS 1.25" body lift with a 1" MML. (I would have went with OME but Rancho had a sale at the time.) That got me up on 33"s. Might want to read up about bumpstops and the proper length for the lift your going to install. Good Luck and we look forward to the pictures.
Thanks! will do! and if it got tricky i'll come back to bug you guys
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For me the MML eliminated the need for a TC drop. Never tried driving with out the drop before hand. I have no vibrations at 80 MPH (not that I plan on running at 80 again anytime soon). All Jeeps are different.
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No discos -----yet--will probably happen when I do BL and mml + 33's----haven't needed it so far---but fairly "tame" off road--never been stuck so bad I couldn't drive out of it--by backing up picking "new line". I am more of an easy wheeler trail ride guy.
agree, probably will never need to disconnect as most of my offroads are snow or mud. i wanted to try the wide flex thing maybe because i have developed a "flex complex" from my barely flexing leaf spring suzuki samurai
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this is a TJ that had the OME kit installed from the same place i'm getting. it's on cooper 33x12.5 which is also what i'm going to get

Does this height seem low?
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this is a TJ that had the OME kit installed from the same place i'm getting. it's on cooper 33x12.5 which is also what i'm going to get

Does this height seem low?
the 2.5" OME kit doesn't include enough bumpstop extensions to run 33s. They actually don't even include enough rear bumpstop extension to fit their rear shocks properly. They include 0.8" (20mm) rear bumpstop extensions, but you actually need 1.3" (32mm) to keep the shocks from bottoming out, and to keep the rear track bar relocation bracket from hitting the underside of the tub.

To fit 33's, you'll need ~1.3" bumpstop extensions front and rear, combined with the 1.25" body lift. No coil spacers.

I run 33x12.50R15's with a 2.5" OME springs & shocks, a 1.25" JKS Body Lift, and just enough bumpstop extensions to keep the tires off the steel of the fender. Read here if you want more info.


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One thing I wanted to correct in my post is that I have 6.0 caster and not 4.0 caster, a typo on my part. I have adjustable control arms that allowed this, otherwise I'm not aware of how it could be adjusted. On the bump stops, my receipt has the following items listed as part of required items and have absolutely no problems with my 33 x 12.50 tires plenty of clearance and no rub. Rear shocks installed fine. However, unlimited may have some more knowledge here as my basic lift was installed when I purchased so receipt and actual bump stops may be different.

My Kit included:
OME933 x 2
OME942 x 2
N66 x 2
N67 x 2
FKWTJ02 x 1
FK16 x 1
OMESD48 x 1

The required items were the following (some are part of kit)

T-CASE SPACER KIT (1997-02) JWGK01

PANHARD ROD (Trac Bar) BRACKET FKWTJ02

BUMP STOP SPACER KIT FK16

STEERING DAMPER OMESD48 or 40

Whatever you go with, this site is loaded with knowledgeable people to help you. I'm a relative newbie to Jeeps, just wanted to pass along my experience with the OME lift kit and additional items to look into. Again, good luck and keep us posted on your progress.
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thanks everyone, i'll let you know how it turns out
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