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Old 09-23-2008, 06:42 PM   #1
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is 140k miles too high?

ok, i'm really making an effort to find a car here. you guys are the experts, so i feel comfortable getting advice on the ads i see before i check them out. so, as long as people reply to me i'll keep asking. if you don't want me to keep asking then don't reply to these posts and i'll keep quiet until i'm an official owner.

i'm not trying to go as low as the prices i've been posting on here, but with the money leftover i'd have enough to start customizing a bit sooner than later. if it turns out that all the ones i'm looking at are just dogs then i'll bite the bullet and get a nicer one and keep it stock for a while.


ok, so with that said.... here's the latest one:

2001 black sahara

the good
-black soft top
-I-6
-5sp
-brush guard
-fog/auxillary bumper lights
-cd player
-clean title
-clean interior
-minor rust underneath (although that varies by person)

the bad
-140k miles
-small rust area on front right fender. has been touched up but could be done over correctly (sand, prime, paint)
-needs o2 sensor
-tires are ok, will need to be replaced some point in the near future

asking price: $5850

he's willing to negotiate since he said a shop would charge ~$200 to do the o2 sensor, ~$150 to fix the fender, and will eventually need tires.

if i could get him down to $5200/5300, would the low price be enough to offset the potential issues that come with having 140k miles on it? i'm a shadetree mechanic and have fixed many o2 sensors so that's not a big deal for me and i can also fix the fender, but i won't tell him that. it's just the 140k miles that worries me a bit.

as always, thanks for the help.

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Old 09-23-2008, 07:09 PM   #2
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Id probably snap it up. My 02 was 15k two years ago with 47k on her. The 4L is good for about double the current mileage, worst case put a diesel in her if she blows.

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I'd try to figure out if the previous owner took care of the engine as it should have been with regular oil and filter changes. My TJ has 175,000 miles on its 4.0L and the engine is fine, but probably only because it has been well maintained. That mileage is probably not an issue, but only if it was properly maintained.
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Its a good engine but as Jerry said, it all depends on how well it was taken care of. I had a tj with 150k on it that ran like new. Current ZJ 4.0L had 210k on it. Runs a bit rough, but starts everytime, and yes it does have a small oil leak. so have it checked out.
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thanks for the replies. i have heard that these engines are almost bulletproof, but most people i see that have these have low/average miles on them. i don't hear many stories of high 100's. to hear from experience is reassuring.

how does the rest of the drive train hold up? transmission, xfer case, differentials...
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140K on an I6 is absolutley nothing if it was taken care of. As long as oil was changed and such it should EASILY last well over 250K. I know many many people who have over 250K on their I6 engines and still runnin strong. My old ZJ had 180K on it before I sold it and it still ran like a top. Matter a fact, I know a handful fo guys who ahve had their I6 last over 500K miles before they swapped them out. Dont be worried about 140K on it if he took good care. Thats a pretty good deal even for the higher miles.

Far as the rest of the drive train, its all pretty tough. The Dana 44 rear axle is deff. the preffered unit. You can tell it apart from the Dana 35 because it has a threaded fill plug on the cover as opposed to the rubber plug in a 35.
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Old 09-24-2008, 12:00 AM   #7
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my comanche has 240,000 on it and it still runs like new I had a oil leak
it was the valve cover gasket hten I had anouther oil leak it was the rear main seal no leaks now it starts every time no worries

there is a few people on the naxja board that have 300,000 + miles on the cherokee's and they say it still runs good
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Old 09-24-2008, 07:06 AM   #8
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The price seems low. Make sure you do a CarFax report and take the Jeep to a trusted mechanic for a second opinion. I also would not take it unless the engine issues were fixed and the engine light is "off".

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i have 160k on my rig and the motor runs like a champ, but like Jerry, 4Jeepn and others said, i maintain it religiously. now if i could just keep from breaking things on the trail....
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i running 160000 engines strong but i need to regear...
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Make sure you do a CarFax report...
I have little faith in CarFax. If it says something bad happened to a particular vehicle, fine and that is good information. But CarFax reports of a clean record are not something you can rely on because they're only as good as the information fed to them. I had to do a short stint in car sales years ago between jobs and I soon learned that CarFax reports couldn't be relied on for accurate information, especially if there are no negatives reported.
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Old 12-24-2010, 09:44 AM   #12
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I guess I was thinking 4 cyl in a TJ because since the beginning of time jeeps have been 4 cyl. I have had 4 Cherokees with the 4.0 and I have to admit they are awsome indeed and super long lived. Cant imagine a jeep zipping along like that! Buying used, I guess I will end up with whatever I can get a decent deal on. Have a military jeep trailer and I guess if I plan on pulling that much the six would be much better allright!
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Old 12-24-2010, 10:27 AM   #13
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I just bought a 97 Black Sport 4.0 auto with both tops with 122,000 on it for $5000.00 Tires are about 50% and the frame is pretty good. Just reading these forums helped me allot!!!! Around me, Chicago and Milwaukee snow belt, prices are high. This was the first Wrangler under 6K that I found. I am no expert at all, and FAR from it. But looking at the prices of these for the last 2-3 months looking for one, I think your price is pretty good.
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I have little faith in CarFax. If it says something bad happened to a particular vehicle, fine and that is good information. But CarFax reports of a clean record are not something you can rely on because they're only as good as the information fed to them. I had to do a short stint in car sales years ago between jobs and I soon learned that CarFax reports couldn't be relied on for accurate information, especially if there are no negatives reported.
Use autocheck. I was told it was more comprehensive than carfax.
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Old 12-24-2010, 11:57 AM   #15
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That is a good price IMO, I just bought mine and I researched a few months first. You may as well stay low on ur purchase price, because you will be wanting mods bad after you get it. I have had my jeep 2 weeks and already put almost 3k in her with many more plans...
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Old 12-24-2010, 01:58 PM   #16
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my 4 bangger has 130k, still running strong.
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I am in PA, where liquid salt is used on main roads. This stuff does quite a number on frames in this area. I paid 5500 for a 4.0 Manual 5 speed with 119,000 miles. Mainly stock jeep. Body was in great shape... only a little rust underneathe the license plate frame and near the hinge in the rear. Frame was in terrible shape after further investigating after I bought it.

The good:
Body good shape
Engine runs great (small leak at rear main seal.)
Interior in great shape
Had a new tow package put on
Had a new soft top with tinted windows
Interior carpet was stripped and lined with cheap rino liner
New windshield
New head put on
Tires were only had 3k miles worth of tread left.

The bad:
Badly rusted frame. Had to patch rear of frame.
Need new drums/pads and hardware in rear because of rust
Replaced Fuel tank skid plate.
Replaced all brake lines with stainless steel
Replaced factory rusted out shocks with Rancho Shocks
Replaced broken rear coil springs
Needs tires now

This was the best condition 6 cylinder 5 speed I found near my area after searching for about 2 months. I looked at several others but they were too far gone for me. Others seemed to be in the 8500 dollar price range. But jeeps are well sought after in this area and go really quick. I am ok with what I got and my plans for off-roading it. I plan to thoroughly go over the frame and fix where needed and undercoat it in the spring.
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Hi everyone, this is my first post although I have been reading for a couple months. After seeing what some of you paid for your jeeps I have a feeling I paid a lot for what I got. I purchased a 2004 Rubicon with 85K miles for $14,000. It was a one owner ,purchased in Arizona and titled in Texas. It came with all records and was dealer serviced at all intervals.It has a 6 cylinder,4" lift kit, a 9K warn winch, hardtop, soft top, bikini top,33" tires, full size spare with bumper mount, and extra lights. It is rust free and seems to run well. I am looking forward to a lot of off roading this year, and if I paid too much, so be it.
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thats not a bad deal hotrod i am jealous. i paid 12k for a 05 with 40,000 on it. But you got the rubi with 33's and a winch
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The mileage wouldn't bother me at that low price
I have 175k on my daily driver/weekend warrior the previous owner never kept up on oil changes,it had the original oil filter with holes in it at 130k miles when I bought it.
My jeep has the black death(oil sludge) and runs strong and perfect very reliable
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I have little faith in CarFax. If it says something bad happened to a particular vehicle, fine and that is good information. But CarFax reports of a clean record are not something you can rely on because they're only as good as the information fed to them. I had to do a short stint in car sales years ago between jobs and I soon learned that CarFax reports couldn't be relied on for accurate information, especially if there are no negatives reported.
I agree. Had a 2007 camry that was tboned at an intersection. The car was flipped onto it's side, and the insurance almost totaled it. It was on the shop for a month. We sold it to a dealership, and the carfax said minimal damage reported.....
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That price is right IMO. I bought my 02 with ~126k for 6400 (bluebook was 7500) almost 2 years ago. As long as the engine was well maintained and the frame looks good I'd say go for it. Use the small cosmetics and tires as weight to get the price lowered even more, especially the fender area. I bet it has street tires so you'd want to replace those ASAP anyways, mine came with Wrangler GS/A's and they were horrible. In the future if the fender rust gets bad enough you can either pay for professional repair or just go tubes if you are into that and are willing to spend the dough. Have him drop the price $200 for the o2 sensor then replace it yourself for 50-100, its very easy
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ok, i'm really making an effort to find a car here. you guys are the experts, so i feel comfortable getting advice on the ads i see before i check them out. so, as long as people reply to me i'll keep asking. if you don't want me to keep asking then don't reply to these posts and i'll keep quiet until i'm an official owner.

i'm not trying to go as low as the prices i've been posting on here, but with the money leftover i'd have enough to start customizing a bit sooner than later. if it turns out that all the ones i'm looking at are just dogs then i'll bite the bullet and get a nicer one and keep it stock for a while.


ok, so with that said.... here's the latest one:

2001 black sahara

the good
-black soft top
-I-6
-5sp
-brush guard
-fog/auxillary bumper lights
-cd player
-clean title
-clean interior
-minor rust underneath (although that varies by person)

the bad
-140k miles
-small rust area on front right fender. has been touched up but could be done over correctly (sand, prime, paint)
-needs o2 sensor
-tires are ok, will need to be replaced some point in the near future

asking price: $5850

he's willing to negotiate since he said a shop would charge ~$200 to do the o2 sensor, ~$150 to fix the fender, and will eventually need tires.

if i could get him down to $5200/5300, would the low price be enough to offset the potential issues that come with having 140k miles on it? i'm a shadetree mechanic and have fixed many o2 sensors so that's not a big deal for me and i can also fix the fender, but i won't tell him that. it's just the 140k miles that worries me a bit.

as always, thanks for the help.



I have 161,700 on my 97 4.0 L. Not a single problem. I'd snatch it up. But hit him at $1000 lower than asking and point out other stuff in addition to the obvious so he will budge more. Tips from an ole wheeler dealer. Go for it Just get the rust taking care ASAP so it doesnt get worse.
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The clock just show how many miles the vehicle has moved that's about it, while the clock says 140k miles the engine may truly have 145k miles worth of wear and tear on it. How long has the vehicle set and idle in the mornings, red lights, stop signs, traffic....etc? Even though the vehicle isn't moving the engine is getting wear and tear, don't just soly base your decision on miles as ive seen vehicles with 40k miles have more problems then one with 240k miles. Just my .02

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