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Old 06-19-2012, 06:20 PM   #1
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Is a lift really necessary?

Well I plan on ordering a SmittyBilt XRC 10,000LB Winch, SmittyBilt XRC Front Bumper and SmittyBilt winch cover. Which adds up to $800.00 +. Now, I have a 2003 Sport 4.0L sitting on 31X10.50s and I plan to go no bigger than that, Do I really need a winch or should I just spend my money elsewhere/save it?
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Old 06-19-2012, 06:42 PM   #2
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You said you plan On buying a winch. Then asked if a winch was needed. Did you mean lift like in the title?

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Old 06-19-2012, 06:53 PM   #3
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No. There's PLENTY of other stuff I'd put ahead of going taller with your current setup. Steering box skid, oil pan skid, ZJ tie rod, flat belly, gas tank tuck, rocker guards, lockers.....I could go on.
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Old 06-19-2012, 07:00 PM   #4
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Meh.. If you are gonna disconect though you might want a bit more space between the wheels and fenders. a small lift of highline fenders would solve that.. A solid option if you don't plan to go bigger then 31's is running a 1.25 inch body lift and 1in motor mount lift.. A little more space for disconecting and you can run tummy tuck skids if you want.. If tummy tuck skids don't interest you then either staying where your at and not disconecting or getting a small bb lift works great to if you want to disco
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Old 06-19-2012, 08:03 PM   #5
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Yeah sorry GoldenSahara I meant winch, also Imped I'm more looking into aesthetics right now to make it look better, I'm not beating her up too bad that I need all that armor, but soon I'll buy it. Will a front,rear bumper, winch bring down the jeep enough to make tires rub? They aren't rubbing now.
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Old 06-19-2012, 09:22 PM   #6
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There's a good chance. Have you disconnected the sway bar yet.
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Old 06-19-2012, 09:33 PM   #7
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That's very basic armor for those who wheel......

And if you're looking for an aesthetic improvement, get rid of the stock t-case skid.
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Old 06-20-2012, 06:08 AM   #8
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You may need front spacer lift just to avoid a more pronounced rake with all the addt'l front end weight.
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Old 06-21-2012, 07:47 AM   #9
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That's very basic armor for those who wheel......

And if you're looking for an aesthetic improvement, get rid of the stock t-case skid.
Been thinking of that as well, and since this came up, my friend and I want to know if there are any implications with a tummy tuck/skinnier skid plate?

@wattapunk Do you really think the 31x10.50s will rub at full flex or turn after getting a winch and front bumper? Also, which do you think is more important, front/rear bumper and winch or tummy tuck and skids for diffs,oil pan and transfer case.
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Been thinking of that as well, and since this came up, my friend and I want to know if there are any implications with a tummy tuck/skinnier skid plate?

@wattapunk Do you really think the 31x10.50s will rub at full flex or turn after getting a winch and front bumper? Also, which do you think is more important, front/rear bumper and winch or tummy tuck and skids for diffs,oil pan and transfer case.
The tummy tuck will need new rear UCAs, Slip Yoke Eliminator, new CV driveshaft, high clearance skid, small body lift, and a motor mount lift. I think that's all. Its a pretty pricey undertaking but the benefits are well worth it. I would do an engine skid and V8 ZJ tie rid first, but that's just me.
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Old 06-21-2012, 08:04 AM   #11
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skids should be first priority. Imped is a big fan of building tough then up lol as am I. Skids will save your butt and since it's low you need it big time. I'm looking at the engine skid for now myself. It will cover your oil pan which is most important and hit easily but it will also offer some extra coverage. I'm looking into UCF (undercoverfab.com) for that. about 300 bucks with shipping included. The stock tranny skid is a shovel but it's a skid. Personally I see no reason to replace until I have a steady job. To do a tummy tuck you want a nice body lift, an SYE conversion (500 bucks) and the new TC case (200-300). Tummy tuck has a lot involved but it looks much better and offers a ton of clearance. Just be prepared to put lots of money into it. Further, if your doing a tummy tuck it kinda preps you for a big lift (the SYE for your driveshaft) so that's useful too. Personally I bought a bumper and a winch first, like you I wanted some looks. I do worry underneath though, if I had to do it again I'd just buy an engine skid first, then bumper/winch, then some more skids. Lastly 31's will rub at full turn (my buddy's do) and they will rub at full flex. Most people don't care though, you don't HAVE to fix it especially if you keep the swaybar connected (it won't rub then). Good luck!
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I would look into like a 2" BB lift.
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Before you get too far into your build, get rid of that chrome grill. It'll save you a lot of grief.
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Old 06-21-2012, 03:32 PM   #14
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A young Jeeper in the Jeep club I belong to wheels a TJ on 31's with a 4" lift, open front, limited slip rear, and he keeps up with the rest of us pretty good. We have to winch him or give him a tug from time to time, but it's really supprising the amount of stuff he makes it through. The funny thing is that he makes it through more stuff than my 03 Rubicon makes it through locked up front and rear. The only thing I can think of is that the 4" lift gets his underbelly up and out of everything, but my stock Rubi is just to low... Based on this I would recommend a 3" SL, or a 4.25" combo lift as a good upgrade.
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No. There's PLENTY of other stuff I'd put ahead of going taller with your current setup. Steering box skid, oil pan skid, ZJ tie rod, flat belly, gas tank tuck, rocker guards, lockers.....I could go on.
And if you notice, nowhere do you see the name "Smittybuilt" here!

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The tummy tuck will need new rear UCAs, Slip Yoke Eliminator, new CV driveshaft, high clearance skid, small body lift, and a motor mount lift. I think that's all. Its a pretty pricey undertaking but the benefits are well worth it. I would do an engine skid and V8 ZJ tie rid first, but that's just me.
If he stays at stock height and doesn't go FLAT, he 'could' do it without any of that. I'm certainly an advocate of a fixed rear output, proper drive shaft, and good control arms but at stock height they aren't a necessity. If he went with something like UCF's 2" deep skid, he'd be in pretty good shape. Add in a LoPro mount and he'll be in better shape and won't even need a body lift or MML.
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