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Old 07-17-2014, 03:55 AM   #1
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Is my trans going? Automatic question

Okay since I got my TJ it has been shifting fine. Its a 06 TJ 4.0L 6cly. with a automatic trans.
But yesterday I was pulling out of the parking lot just cruising and I can hear the trans not wanting to shift out of 1st gear. I hit 15mph and finally it changed gears but it sounded like a clunk or bang and you felt the vehicle jolt a little.
Kept an eye on it and it did it again. But after it warmed up it stopped and shifted smooth.
I parked it again and same symptoms. After it warmed up it shifted smooth. So I let it sit again and noticed a slight slipping out of first. But again warmed up and smooth shifting.
So I let it sit once again and then when I heard it not wanting to shift and noticed the speedometer up to near 14 or 15 mphs like normal for this problem I backed off on the gas and dropped the auto stick into first, hit 10 then into 2nd and then D. Seemed to shift fine but I havent tried this method much. It got late and I had to retire for the night.
Anyone have a problem like this with their auto?
There is 64,450 on it and Im not sure if the trans. fluid was ever changed in it. I only have it about 2 months now. Its been running well minus this and I think a little death wobble in the front end as the steering wheel shakes every so often on the highway.

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oil level all good in trans ...

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Mine does exactly the same thing, 06 LJ 4.0 Auto, started doing thing a couple of months ago. I had it flushed and nothing changed, the guy the flushed it said the fluid came out black. I'm guessing it had never been done before. I have about double the miles you have and I bought the jeep last October.

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I went through this about two years ago with my 06 LJ.....we have the 42RLE transmission and I tried everything mentioned above.....ended up being the PCM...power train control module...located on the firewall near the battery....you can find them online but I went through my local jeep dealer....the have to flash it to your particular jeep anyway...pricey but fixed the problem.
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I'm going through this as we speak. Took her in and found that I've been losing a lot of oil, think more than 1.5 quarts. Got a weeks worth of oil and still had to refill, which I lost more than half again. Now she's sitting at the shop to see where the hole is. Hoping for the best.
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You're hopefully only adding ATF+4 to it. No other ATF or "oil" is correct for the Jeep automatic transmission.
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scheduling an appointment with the dealer for diagnosis. Hoping it's the PCM.
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Just went through the same thing. The dealer replaced the trans temp sensor and solenoid pack but the hard shift between 1st and 2nd continued anytime the vehicle was turned off for greater than 10 minutes or so. After lots of encouragement on my part, they finally replaced the PCM. Problem seems to be solved....at least for the few weeks that I've had it back.
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You're hopefully only adding ATF+4 to it. No other ATF or "oil" is correct for the Jeep automatic transmission.
That's what my shop said to use. Otherwise you can damage it further.
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oil level all good in trans ...
I forgot to check this. I assumed it was okay but your post and someone I talked with just reminded me today. loL! Gotta check it later.

Thanks to all that posted. Much appreciated. Guess Ill have to call the local dealer and find out how much they charge for a PCM. Can any other local garages flash it or does it have to go back to the dealer?
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I went through this about two years ago with my 06 LJ.....we have the 42RLE transmission and I tried everything mentioned above.....ended up being the PCM...power train control module...located on the firewall near the battery....you can find them online but I went through my local jeep dealer....the have to flash it to your particular jeep anyway...pricey but fixed the problem.
Had same issue here about a year ago. Hard shifting from 1st to 2nd that only happened the first shift each time the Jeep was turned off and restarted. Shifted fine for hours on end after that first shift as long as the Jeep wasn't turned off. Diagnosed by resetting the PCM overnight which fixed the problem for a couple weeks then it would start again. I tried the online PCM ($350ish) which worked for about 2 weeks then did the same thing. Had it replaced at the dealer ($600ish) with no problems since then.
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If the dealer finds temp sensor codes, review this video...specific to the 2006. These are some of the codes that I had when they serviced mine. And like I mentioned, the problem was eventually fixed with a PCM change and yes, a dealer is the best way to go to replace the PCM. They have to program in the mileage, VIN, etc. and many people are having unreliable results with PCM's ordered over the internet.

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Old 07-18-2014, 06:27 PM   #13
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Thanks guys, Think Im going to try out the firmware upgrade first. I talked with my local dealer and the parts guy is very cool asked their tech and he already knew about the firmware update. I guess I take it in and see what the diagnosis is first and then after that decide to get a new pcm. I know their service dept clerk said the pcm cant mirror itself if there is a problem with it so they seemed up to date with all the info. They even admitted that they havent had much problems in their shop with 06's and this type of problem but yet they knew about it. Hoping for some luck here.
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Sounds like you have a more knowledgeable dealer than mine! The did the firmware upgrade on mine when the changed the temp sensor. Within 80 miles I got a check engine light with codes for the catalytic converters and o2 sensors. They wanted to change those next but I argued that what are the chances that the converters and o2 sensors all go bad at the same time and if the PCM is bad can we really trust the codes that it is throwing. But the hard shift had also returned so it made my argument even better. I hope the firmware flash fixes yours. Keep us updated!
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my 2002 is having the same issue- has been in teh shop for over 2 weeks at this point. got 3 quarts of water in the fluid at an off road park 4th of July weekend; left the park and it wouldn't shift up into third gear. then wouldn;t downshift back to first when I stopped, had to manually take it 1-2, but it would never go to 3rd.

Had it flushed as a place down the road after we stopped and discovered the water- still didn't help. Took it to a local tranny guy who was recommended by a member here, and he's basically replaced all the internal components (clutch wheels, shift kit, governor, valve train, etc.) of the tranny, and yet it's still got the same issue. He suspects it's something to do with the governor (not the governor itself but some related component), but haven't been updated since Friday afternoon when he was going to disassemble everything again and try to find the problem. Getting very concerned at this point, as over 2 weeks and still not fixed has me worried about what I'll do if we can't find the problem.

Just needed to vent , I suppose. Fingers are crossed.
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Sounds like you have a more knowledgeable dealer than mine! The did the firmware upgrade on mine when the changed the temp sensor. Within 80 miles I got a check engine light with codes for the catalytic converters and o2 sensors. They wanted to change those next but I argued that what are the chances that the converters and o2 sensors all go bad at the same time and if the PCM is bad can we really trust the codes that it is throwing. But the hard shift had also returned so it made my argument even better. I hope the firmware flash fixes yours. Keep us updated!
Thanks for posting. You post really helped me understand alot with this problem. I pushed the issue and if it wasnt for the parts guy(really connected with him on the social level) helping me by asking the tech, I think I would have had a harder time. I agree with you it makes no sense for all the sensors going bad at once. I listed my appointment results from today below this post. Keeping my fingers crossed. thanks for posting up too.
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my 2002 is having the same issue- has been in teh shop for over 2 weeks at this point. got 3 quarts of water in the fluid at an off road park 4th of July weekend; left the park and it wouldn't shift up into third gear. then wouldn;t downshift back to first when I stopped, had to manually take it 1-2, but it would never go to 3rd.

Had it flushed as a place down the road after we stopped and discovered the water- still didn't help. Took it to a local tranny guy who was recommended by a member here, and he's basically replaced all the internal components (clutch wheels, shift kit, governor, valve train, etc.) of the tranny, and yet it's still got the same issue. He suspects it's something to do with the governor (not the governor itself but some related component), but haven't been updated since Friday afternoon when he was going to disassemble everything again and try to find the problem. Getting very concerned at this point, as over 2 weeks and still not fixed has me worried about what I'll do if we can't find the problem.

Just needed to vent , I suppose. Fingers are crossed.
Good luck my friend. I hope they find something out for ya. Ill keep posting my results and maybe it'll help ya out.
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Okay well I had my appointment with the jeep dealer today. I found out I have a remote starter on the jeep.

When I got it I noticed some split wires when the tilt steering wheel was in the up position. Also noticed a little red light on the dash panel and always wondered if it was anti theft or aftermarket especially since there is not power windows/locks. I also got a wireless remote with the jeep and tried it out a few times to see what it would do. Nothing ever started but the parking lights would flash. SO I really didnt bother much with it and didnt read much more into it.

But apparently 24 starts ago it kicked up a few codes. One was a battery disconnect. The tech asked if I had the battery disconnected. I said no. I just noticed recently the trans was shifting rough and was getting a bit worse as when I put it in D it would bang and the vehicle would jump. He noticed it as well when he took it for a test drive.

He also told me that my trans just doesnt like the remote starter. I questioned more and they said most new cars today do not like remote starters and it screws with things. He said if I look under the dash there should be a box. He ended up coming out with me and checking and said there's a small box under there. When I asked him if I should remove it he suggested yes. I asked if I should disconnect the battery to do it and he said he wouldnt recommend it just undo the wires carefully. Most are t splices except for the power. I would assume to disconnect the power one first.

As for the PCM update,They were having problems with the internet connection to Chrysler and couldnt update my pcm/tcm. Have to reschedule for that. But they cleared the codes and did a quick learn , Codes were P0218 High Temp Activated, P1684Battery Disconnected, P0714 trans temp sense 1 intermediate all 24 starts ago-run battery disconnect. Tech said to try it out and see how it runs but as we were looking under the dash he pressed the remote key and got the lights to flash which made me wonder if any codes popped up again after he cleared them. I left and went up the road and noticed the trans shifted hard in all 3 gears. I went back and told them about it and they rescheduled me for next monday. I suppose for the firmware update on the pcm. But after I left it shifted smooth.
So Im taking it as long as I dont mess with the buttons on that keyless remote pad I shouldnt have any codes pop up.
And Im thinking removing that system would be best.
Is there any ODB 2 readers out there that can do what they did for me today? I would like to check the codes and see if any are on since he pressed the buttons(after clearing them and doing a quick learn) and got the parking lights to flash. I know I did this when I first got it and one time last week. It took some time for it to start acting up like this tho.
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I don't see anywhere where you mentioned that you checked the transmission level, after you said that you "hadn't" checked it. This problem could easily be a low transmission fluid level. And, like Jerry said, Make sure you use the right grade.
There are problems with the different tranny fluids that are used in some JK's, and they tend to get mixed up and precipitate (by the dealership of all people). There is a huge thread on here about it. This could also be the problem.

If your tranny fluid level is low, then you can have a hard time shifting until the tranny warms up and the little fluid that you have, circulates in the transmission. In fact, you can't even check the level until you reach driving temperature, and it says so on the stick. I'm thinking that you have a tranny leak somewhere, and it is burning up your transmission. The leak is causing your tranny level to go down. It is going to get worse and worse, and you have clearly already damaged your tranny. The question is to what extent?
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Good luck my friend. I hope they find something out for ya. Ill keep posting my results and maybe it'll help ya out.
talked to the guy this morning- it's gotta be the valve assembly. he's got all of his "parts people" looking for a new assembly, but according to him they're hard to find (?). He checked all aspects of the governor and its related components, and everything checked out there. I have suspected for a while it's the valve assy, and wondered why he put a used replacement on there rather than a brand new one- again, he explained new ones are (somehow) hard to find, which makes no sense to me but I'm not in the know on these things so there's that. Nevertheless, he is trying to find one now, which *should* solve the issue and get me my baby back.

seems like you and i are brothers in arms right now- hopefully we're both back soon!

I'm depressed without my Jeep! Good luck brother.
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I don't see anywhere where you mentioned that you checked the transmission level, after you said that you "hadn't" checked it. This problem could easily be a low transmission fluid level. And, like Jerry said, Make sure you use the right grade.
There are problems with the different tranny fluids that are used in some JK's, and they tend to get mixed up and precipitate (by the dealership of all people). There is a huge thread on here about it. This could also be the problem.

If your tranny fluid level is low, then you can have a hard time shifting until the tranny warms up and the little fluid that you have, circulates in the transmission. In fact, you can't even check the level until you reach driving temperature, and it says so on the stick. I'm thinking that you have a tranny leak somewhere, and it is burning up your transmission. The leak is causing your tranny level to go down. It is going to get worse and worse, and you have clearly already damaged your tranny. The question is to what extent?

Sorry forgot to post about the level. It's good & so is the color. No leaks. Tech at dealer confirmed as well. I called before the appt as I was going to change the fluid before the appt and they said to change it afterward as it would be better to see the color of the fluid when it comes in. So this week I planned on changing that.
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Has anyone considered that maybe the torque converter could be at fault?
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I got the pcm update and all was good for 1 week. Shifted great. Now its back to clunk or slip from 1st to 2nd. Called another dealer and had a tech take a ride with me. Told him exactly what it does, he heard the hard shift noticed it jumps a little while putting it in Drive. He also noticed a little rough down shift.
It hasnt gotten to the point where it jumps when you shift into R.
They recommend a Trans fluid change first before anything else. I guess Ill try that first.

Also have a noticed my death wobble is getting worse on it. I popped the hood to look over some stuff and noticed either steering fluid or antifreeze splashed up on the hood. The reservoir and the power steering reservoir are located near each & I cant smell the difference as its only drops. :/
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Got some hard shifting again so I took it to the dealer and got a hard time about the security system still wired in. They were quite mad about that and said it needs to be uninstalled even tho the inline fuses were yanked out and there is not power to the system.
The codes again were P0714 & P0218 same as last. The mechanic said it could possibly be the valve body. Any one think its still the PCM?

I recently found this gentlemans post that is very helpful. TJ: What you think is a transmission problem may be a PCM problem: UPDATED 8.8.2014 - Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest
Just wanted to seek a bit more help and info after getting a tongue lashing from the dealer.
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I'd be complaining to Chrysler corporate about your dealer.
They shouldn't be insisting that a vehicle you own shouldn't have whatever you want installed in it, and they certainly shouldn't be giving you a hard time about it.
The more I hear about people bringing their Jeeps to dealers for service, the more I think that their mechanics don't know anything about Jeeps. All they do anymore is plug it into a diagnostic machine, getting someone who actually knows the vehicle is getting to be a rare thing.
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Yea I did call into chrysler as the dealer never told me about the Federal Emissions Warranty. I did some research and thanks for the forms I was able to find exactly what I needed. Placed a call into Chrysler and they confirmed it was covered. My first appt w/ the dealer was 7/22/14 and they just did a quick learn as their computer was down. I had to reschedule for the 28th. I asked about a free charge for the firmware update and they acted like they were doing me a favor to do it while it was covered under the F.E.W..

The firmware update helped but its back to the hard shift so I called in and they said they would call chrysler. They asked for the case # etc. Then when my appt came and they saw that the system was still installed they got pissy with me. They said they really didnt want to see me anymore & mentioned about me calling into chrysler(even tho it was to see if the PCM unit was covered). I was really nice to them too. I didnt get mad over anything and just said so I dont understand why you cant understand my point that the system is dead. But their mechanic insisted being its wired in its causing the problem even tho the inline fuses are out.They said Chrysler wouldnt allow them to even touch it with the security system installed.
They wanted me to take it to another dealer instead of dealing with me but its an honorable service since my date of sale(inservice date) was 7-24-06 and Im out of the F.E.W. so Im at their mercy to get them to replace under warranty.
Trust me I called a few other dealers to see if they would do it for me since I knew I was going to have a problem with them. Ive seen plenty of others have problems with them and heard alot with them too. So I already knew. They are close to home tho and its convenient but Im questioning if its worth the hassle to deal with them anymore.
I hate to give anyone a hard time but when they expect to spend your money to do a trial and error job, I dont see that being right. Although they certainly threw it in my face about warranty money being wasted.They dont believe its the PCM. Hence I mentioned so many having problems like this and chrysler has yet to recall anything. But neither the dealer nor the mother company cared to hear it. No one cares unless your paying them tons of money to guess what is wrong with your vehicle. I agree with you sanjuro77 its hard to find a mechanic that knows what they are doing on vehicles anymore. I just spoke with another guy that said the same thing you said. The mechanics are in here looking to find out what the problem is anymore.
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After reading thru a couple of threads on tranny problems, I noticed alot of posts involve 2006 tj's. Was this a problem year for the trans?
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05-06 tj's were problem years with PCM's from what I read. If the problem went away after a relearn or firmware update & returned a short while later then its most likely the PCM. I did a lot of reading online and all the problems I am having with mine fit exactly with almost every post that said PCM was replaced. Best thing I can say is if your problem persists right after a relearn or firmware update then its not a PCM problem.
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My TJ is an 04, no issues like you are having.
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