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Old 04-23-2008, 01:46 AM   #31
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(global warming is a hoax).
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it sure is
Wow this thread has gotten off track.

My conclusion. The 2.5 is a well made longevity motor that makes a decent amount of power and achieves decent mpg, especially with e-fan, 4.0 T.B., C.A.I., Exhaust, etc. etc. Also its very hard to give up your wrangler.

I think the 2.5 is worth building, its definitely not your weak link. The AX-5 and Dana 35 however, well they're replaceable.

Take care of your motor. Take care of your truck. Blow up the AX-5 and D35 doing what Wranglers are meant for and replace them with something better.

Sorry, needed to get closer to the original path haha.

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I know nothing about octane other than what the average joe knows. Higher octane .... higher performance. It seems that I get better performance with the 89. Don't really care about gas milage... (global warming is a hoax).

I will certainly check out the inside of the tube, but maybe I should have clarified. I do not have a CAI. I just have the drop in K&N brand filter. Does that make a difference to the theory???

Thanks for the education. Again this forum has been very helpful.
Some engines it can make a difference between 87 and 89 octane, usually the 87 gives some knock while the 89 wont. I think regional issues have to do with this, calif in particular and their emission laws. Gas brands usually make no difference, no matter the brand they all come from the same pipeline unless you happen to live within the delivery range of a refinery. He in my area the only true brand you get is Hess out of the NJ refinery on the jersey shore near staten island and thats only if your station is within the truck delivery range of about 50 miles max. Once the trucks pickup the generic gas they dump their brands particular 'mojo juice' in the tank, here in the pokes of Pa most of the gas comes from a central depot in whitehall where you see the occasional Sunoco and Exxon truck pull up and get a delivery but mostly it's generic delivery trucks, I've been behind them when they make one stop at a Sunoco and the next stop at a generic station, same gas.
As for the dirt in the tube, yes, it was a plain old K&N flat panel. If you want mine for my 98XJ you can have it for shipping costs, it's all cleaned and oiled up in a plastic bag with the K&N box even
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Wow this thread has gotten off track.
thanks for bringing it back.
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I have a 4cyl and i dont have an problems.... yet?!?!?!? lol woot woot
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thanks for bringing it back.
No problem. What's the consensus?...To build or not to build?
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No problem. What's the consensus?...To build or not to build?
I suggest making a new thread that is a poll. I vote for build.
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Sorry, needed to get closer to the original path haha.
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so we were talking about global warming or something?
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so we were talking about global warming or something?
ya, something about it being only a theory with little significant data to support the claim, and a incredibly small time frame that this data came from.
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and a incredibly small time frame that this data came from.
you're right, it is a small time frame
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I have built my 4 cylinder. So I would vote to go for it. My 4 does great.

Did anyone ever considered that the very greenhouse gasses that the global warming hoax is complaining about (Co2) is what the trees need to live. Global warming is an attempt (maybe sucessful) for liberals to take control of governement and big business and regulate the crap out of it.

Bad Liberals ... get an education. Read Adam Smith "Wealth of Nations.

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you're right, it is a small time frame
yep, 1000 years out of billions if not trillions. In statistics 1000/1000000 is not enough for a test to be even remotely accurate, plus it isn't a random sample of years(so a baseline average amount cannot be determined). Plus, who went back in time and checked these levels?
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I have built my 4 cylinder. So I would vote to go for it. My 4 does great.

Did anyone ever considered that the very greenhouse gasses that the global warming hoax is complaining about (Co2) is what the trees need to live. Global warming is an attempt (maybe sucessful) for liberals to take control of governement and big business and regulate the crap out of it.

Bad Liberals ... get an education. Read Adam Smith "Wealth of Nations.
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Plus, who went back in time and checked these levels?
Hey looky at that....

That's why I laughed so hard at Gore's little propaganda machine "An inconvienent Truth".

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You're right Gilez. Trees need CO2 to live however, we are cutting many of those down too Its the basic circle of life..Well what happens to the circle when we're cutting all the trees that convert the CO2 to oxygen down? Also what happens to the CO2 level?
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That's why I laughed so hard at Gore's little propaganda machine "An inconvienent Truth".

Haha that guy always makes me laugh
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You're right Gilez. Trees need CO2 to live however, we are cutting many of those down too Its the basic circle of life..animal life produces co2, plants need co2 to breathe and produce oxygen.. it just keeps turning. One needs the other to live. Well what happens to the circle when we're cutting all the trees that convert the CO2 to oxygen down? Also what happens to the CO2 level?
We legally have to plant more trees than we cut down, and we do. Damn liberals and their brainwashing propaganda. The trees are fine, theres plenty of them. Even my woodshop teacher/boss is an environmentalist! as he says "I bless the tree before I chop it down. HEYAHHH!"
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You're right Gilez. Trees need CO2 to live however, we are cutting many of those down too Its the basic circle of life..Well what happens to the circle when we're cutting all the trees that convert the CO2 to oxygen down? Also what happens to the CO2 level?
I do not agree with the premise that we are "cutting all the trees that convert the CO2 to Oxygen down" Therefore, I cannot answer your question.
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You're right Gilez. Trees need CO2 to live however, we are cutting many of those down too Its the basic circle of life..Well what happens to the circle when we're cutting all the trees that convert the CO2 to oxygen down? Also what happens to the CO2 level?
Still no proven, definitive causative action between CO2 (which still comprises less than 1% of the gasses which make up our atmosphere) and global warming.

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THE scariest photo I have seen on the internet is www.spaceweather.com, where you will find a real-time image of the sun from the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory, located in deep space at the equilibrium point between solar and terrestrial gravity.

What is scary about the picture is that there is only one tiny sunspot.

Disconcerting as it may be to true believers in global warming, the average temperature on Earth has remained steady or slowly declined during the past decade, despite the continued increase in the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide, and now the global temperature is falling precipitously.

All four agencies that track Earth's temperature (the Hadley Climate Research Unit in Britain, the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York, the Christy group at the University of Alabama, and Remote Sensing Systems Inc in California) report that it cooled by about 0.7C in 2007. This is the fastest temperature change in the instrumental record and it puts us back where we were in 1930. If the temperature does not soon recover, we will have to conclude that global warming is over.

There is also plenty of anecdotal evidence that 2007 was exceptionally cold. It snowed in Baghdad for the first time in centuries, the winter in China was simply terrible and the extent of Antarctic sea ice in the austral winter was the greatest on record since James Cook discovered the place in 1770.

It is generally not possible to draw conclusions about climatic trends from events in a single year, so I would normally dismiss this cold snap as transient, pending what happens in the next few years.

This is where SOHO comes in. The sunspot number follows a cycle of somewhat variable length, averaging 11 years. The most recent minimum was in March last year. The new cycle, No.24, was supposed to start soon after that, with a gradual build-up in sunspot numbers.

It didn't happen. The first sunspot appeared in January this year and lasted only two days. A tiny spot appeared last Monday but vanished within 24 hours. Another little spot appeared this Monday. Pray that there will be many more, and soon.

The reason this matters is that there is a close correlation between variations in the sunspot cycle and Earth's climate. The previous time a cycle was delayed like this was in the Dalton Minimum, an especially cold period that lasted several decades from 1790.

Northern winters became ferocious: in particular, the rout of Napoleon's Grand Army during the retreat from Moscow in 1812 was at least partly due to the lack of sunspots.

That the rapid temperature decline in 2007 coincided with the failure of cycle No.24 to begin on schedule is not proof of a causal connection but it is cause for concern.

It is time to put aside the global warming dogma, at least to begin contingency planning about what to do if we are moving into another little ice age, similar to the one that lasted from 1100 to 1850.

There is no doubt that the next little ice age would be much worse than the previous one and much more harmful than anything warming may do. There are many more people now and we have become dependent on a few temperate agricultural areas, especially in the US and Canada. Global warming would increase agricultural output, but global cooling will decrease it.

Millions will starve if we do nothing to prepare for it (such as planning changes in agriculture to compensate), and millions more will die from cold-related diseases.

There is also another possibility, remote but much more serious. The Greenland and Antarctic ice cores and other evidence show that for the past several million years, severe glaciation has almost always afflicted our planet.

The bleak truth is that, under normal conditions, most of North America and Europe are buried under about 1.5km of ice. This bitterly frigid climate is interrupted occasionally by brief warm interglacials, typically lasting less than 10,000 years.

The interglacial we have enjoyed throughout recorded human history, called the Holocene, began 11,000 years ago, so the ice is overdue. We also know that glaciation can occur quickly: the required decline in global temperature is about 12C and it can happen in 20 years.

The next descent into an ice age is inevitable but may not happen for another 1000 years. On the other hand, it must be noted that the cooling in 2007 was even faster than in typical glacial transitions. If it continued for 20 years, the temperature would be 14C cooler in 2027.

By then, most of the advanced nations would have ceased to exist, vanishing under the ice, and the rest of the world would be faced with a catastrophe beyond imagining.

Australia may escape total annihilation but would surely be overrun by millions of refugees. Once the glaciation starts, it will last 1000 centuries, an incomprehensible stretch of time.

If the ice age is coming, there is a small chance that we could prevent or at least delay the transition, if we are prepared to take action soon enough and on a large enough scale.

For example: We could gather all the bulldozers in the world and use them to dirty the snow in Canada and Siberia in the hope of reducing the reflectance so as to absorb more warmth from the sun.

We also may be able to release enormous floods of methane (a potent greenhouse gas) from the hydrates under the Arctic permafrost and on the continental shelves, perhaps using nuclear weapons to destabilise the deposits.

We cannot really know, but my guess is that the odds are at least 50-50 that we will see significant cooling rather than warming in coming decades.

The probability that we are witnessing the onset of a real ice age is much less, perhaps one in 500, but not totally negligible.

All those urging action to curb global warming need to take off the blinkers and give some thought to what we should do if we are facing global cooling instead.

It will be difficult for people to face the truth when their reputations, careers, government grants or hopes for social change depend on global warming, but the fate of civilisation may be at stake.

In the famous words of Oliver Cromwell, "I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken."

Phil Chapman is a geophysicist and astronautical engineer who lives in San Francisco. He was the first Australian to become a NASA astronaut.
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Oh, and I think the 4 banger is fine for an off road engine but rather anemic for anything other than around town driving.
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Yea, I hate this global warming, it cost me an extra $500 to heat the house this year, electric house, my KW use was way up...not to mention the extra 40 gallons of kerosene for my shop heater.Not to mention all the good snow storm missed us this year, either passed north or south of us, dam...


I like the 4, easy to handle, easy to move around and won't give an engine stand a hernia like the 6 does or moving the head from the engine to the work bench. I wish there was more information on really building them with some good bullet proof models. I know a guy in either norway or sweden that put a supercharger on his 4 banger YJ with good results, no insane boost either, I seem to remember he went with 5 or 6 lbs of boost and got outstanding performance from it.
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Still no proven, definitive causative action between CO2 (which still comprises less than 1% of the gasses which make up our atmosphere) and global warming.

thats one of the main debates, because its such a small number, its easy to change and actually its .03%. one hundred years ago it was .015
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thats one of the main debates, because its such a small number, its easy to change and actually its .03%. one hundred years ago it was .015
So you went back a hundred years ago to check? also volcanos produce more co2 than all cars on earth. So, lets plug them up!
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Yea, I hate this global warming, it cost me an extra $500 to heat the house this year, electric house, my KW use was way up...not to mention the extra 40 gallons of kerosene for my shop heater.Not to mention all the good snow storm missed us this year, either passed north or south of us, dam...

I like the 4, easy to handle, easy to move around and won't give an engine stand a hernia like the 6 does or moving the head from the engine to the work bench. I wish there was more information on really building them with some good bullet proof models. I know a guy in either norway or sweden that put a supercharger on his 4 banger YJ with good results, no insane boost either, I seem to remember he went with 5 or 6 lbs of boost and got outstanding performance from it.
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Jeepers are the only ones I seen complain about small engine size. I had Toyotas before they did very well. A Sami has a 1.3 liter and gets around very well. Here is what I have noticed with mainstream Jeepers they want to take everything and the kitchen sink. I weighted my tj full tank and it was 2980# I meet a guy same model his 5250# that's a big weight difference. Yes he did have a pull out table to cook on and yes he had enough water to shower too. He did complain about fuel use and being sluggish while mine was packed also with drinks and food just hopped around like a happy little bunny his growls and moaned. So it's really how you use it. Keep it at 60% to 80% of the gross vehicle weight rating and it drive better and u be less comfortable. In the marine corp we had a saying breeze during the day and freeze during the night. Breeze and freeze for short. Well that my two cents anyway.

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