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Old 06-07-2010, 12:05 AM   #1
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Hey y'all,

There's going to be a mud bog at the county fair (And cue the redneck jokes, lol...) in a couple of days, and I want to do it, but after reading on the forum about the damage that mudding can result in, I think that may be a terrible idea.

Here are the details: I have an automatic TJ Sahara with Dana 44 rear axle and 31x10.5 Wild Country mud tires. Completely stock except for the tires, which were on the Jeep when I bought it about two months ago. The TJ is new to me, and my only off-road experience is on a rutted mountain road, which is to say, practically non-existent.

I don't know anything about the course, but it's a competitive mud bog, so I imagine it would be pretty deep.

Worst case scenario involves having to be pulled out and then discovering that I've broken several expensive parts that I don't have the money to repair because I'm a poor college student. That being said, I have the off-road itch, so if I know of a giant puddle of mud, I feel an overwhelming desire to drive through it.

If going through with this would be a stupid idea, then please talk me out of it. I don't want to hurt my Jeep! She's my baby!

If you think it's doable, then please share any pointers. My thoughts would just be to put it in drive and 4hi, which for all I know could be totally wrong.

Thanks for reading this and offering any advice you may have!

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Old 06-07-2010, 12:17 AM   #2
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It's a great idea and sounds like a ton of fun. Because you're riding with a Dana 44, you're at a greater advantage and as long as you know your limitations, then you shouldn't have a problem. The tires, 31x10.5 aren't going to net you the ability in real competitive DEEP bogs, but you shouldn't have to terribly worry about snapping anything as long as you stay within your Jeeps ability level. People there should know what you can risk and what should be able to handle. Just don't expect to handle this.



If there are others there to help you out (get out especially ) then go for it, that's what our Jeeps are designed for and it should be a blast. Throw it in 4hi and remember keep it gunner don't stop until its STUCK. I've been bogging in mine before down in the Barrens, and while I'm talking 2 ft, nothing crazy, it's a great time even with my Dana 35.

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i say do it man!!, i would if there was somthing cool like that around my house. take pics too!! and good luck
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I am in the same place as you are.got the jeep 3 months ago and I am going for my first offroad competition this weekend. My Jeep is a little more modified than yours though. If you go have fun and don't do thing because your friends tell you to do it. Respect the level that your Jeep can do.

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burton160w: Cool video! That's some pretty serious mudding. I'd be the one whose rig just sinks like a stone in the first puddle on the course. Thanks for the input!
Samsrubicon: Thanks! I'll definitely take pictures whether I do it or not.
iix23: Wow, great-looking Jeep! What kind of light bar is that? It looks sweet. Good luck at your competition!
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Old 06-07-2010, 04:54 AM   #6
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I mud all the time. I say go for it. Thing with mud is you'll generally get stuck. Usually common broken parts are ujoints, wheel bearings, OOB tires, and alternators. Sometimes broken driveshafts. Nothing major vs the body damage and twisted axles of the rock crawlers.
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Don't do it! You WILL get stuck, you WILL be made fun of by your peers and the announcer. If you decide it's worth the harassment to do it, please post a video so we may join in on the fun
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I think Outlaw Jeeper pegged it. Competition mud bog = STUCK for a stock jeep. I can hear the harassment now from the annoucer! If you dont mind the harassment then go for it!

On the other hand, if you dont have money to fix anything its probably not a good idea. There is obviously a high probability of breaking something whenever attempting anything like this..... then your vehicle will be OOC.
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burton160w: Cool video! That's some pretty serious mudding. I'd be the one whose rig just sinks like a stone in the first puddle on the course. Thanks for the input!
Samsrubicon: Thanks! I'll definitely take pictures whether I do it or not.
iix23: Wow, great-looking Jeep! What kind of light bar is that? It looks sweet. Good luck at your competition!
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Is this a vehicle you use everyday? do you need it? Would it hurt if the vehicle has to be put in a shop for a week or two? Do you have the money to fix it? Can you get home if something breaks?

I watched a stock Jeep with bigger tires do a local mud run, and halfway thru they blew their engine. They started getting bogged down, reved it too high and pow. end of that Jeep. They were inexperienced. they didn't have a way home, that's what they came in. They had to get it towed home. The girlfriend was giving him grief because that was his sole transportation. he was freaked due to worrying about how much it was gonna cost to repair. 15 seconds of fun pretty much ruined alot for him.
Like I tell my son, if your gonna play, be ready to pay.
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4lo would be a better option with the auto. In high you will not have enough power to move the jeep in a deep bog. Also you will want to extend the transmission breather line, or you could be looking at a new trans. Of course all this depends on how deep the mud is etc.
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Mine is a stock size w/30s (or 29s?) I bogged a few weeks ago and went through some really deep mud. It was almost coming in my doors, flying everywhere, water and mud up over the hood, dipped the spare tire it was so deep and I DID NOT get stuck, just DONT STOP! until you really have to!

And, make sure you spend a couple hours cleaning it after the bog if its your daily driver. I drove up on ramps to really blast the under side. Clean under your hood as well... even my battery was covered in mud! Oh, and spend an extra couple minutes on your rims. The dirt in there will throw 'em out of balance.

Couple things you'll want to do:
1. secure everything inside the jeep from bouncing around
2. make sure your battery is tied or strapped down. A lot of them are just popped in there floating around...
3. check underneith for anything loose, hanging, etc... if so, tie it up
4. check your exhaust for anything loose
5. push each spark plug wire on each end to ensure they are all tightly snapped
6. run about 1/4 tank of gas when you get there, its less weight and less slopping around back there
7. HAVE FUN AND GET DIRTY!
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Have you ever watched a mud bog competition? Depending on where you are and how serious those fools/folks are, you may have no idea what you're getting yourself into.... Just sayin'. If there are trucks on 44's going through it before you, you won't have a prayer.... They will rut it out so bad that you'll be high centered on 31's before you even start. You can't tell how deep it is by looking either, and sometimes it's hard to judge if you are trying to get a feel for it based on another vehicle.

IF it wasn't your DD, and you had $ to burn to fix what ever may break, then heck yeah it'd be a blast. If you don't have the $, skill, alternative transportation, then being a mom, I'd recommend against it. (I'm a fun sucker....)

Please at least go and watch, take some vids, post up what you decide and how you feel after doing/watching.... You'll learn some things either way...

When I was in school, the local dragstrip had mud course and every Friday night they held mud drags... They were a blast to watch, but I never understood the thrill of tearing your junk apart for 5 minutes of "fame"....
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infernogrl brings up a couple good points, don't go overboard, but have a good time.

You have a pretty good setup, most of what people brake is because of mods. As an example, someone lifts a jeep and puts 35's on it. Then takes it bogging and blows the 4 cylinder engine.
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I have had a lot of fun mudding before.
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I've had a couple of people tell me that before you go out muddin that it's a good idea to spray the whole underside of your rig with something like PAM or baby oil.
They say that it helps keep it from sticking. I did see a guy using a Hudson style sprayer on his truck once, squirting it down with baby oil.. didn't wait around for the clean up.

Not being a fan of mud I've not had an opportunity to try it.

How deep the mud hole is will determine how much trouble you can get into.
Hopefully they will have a hose nearby so you can clean the bulk of it off before driving home. Be sure to clean inside your wheels (back side) brake calipers and check under your hood too including your air filter.

You can do some serious damage in mud. It gets into everything.
Maybe you could consider finding a local group and going out wheelin instead of just dumping your Jeep into a mud hole.

But, a lot of people do it.
Was on a run with these folks...
he broke his front suspension and had to be yanked out by a backhoe:


This kid is a good friend of mine.
His YJ was pretty much stock back then and his tires about 20%. He was running back and forth through this mudhole all day long and never got stuck while we were yanking other MUCH better built rigs out of the muck.






This guy ended up having to let his sit overnight because they couldn't get it out.
It was a hot mess.




and the list goes on and on...

Just think about it real hard before you do it and no matter what you decide - have fun and be safe!
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LOL Nice pics Kate! That "hot mess" is pretty much what I'm envisioning as the type pit they'll have for a competitive mud bog. All the ones I've ever seen are pretty deep with the consistency of oatmeal.... I just think he might bite off more than he can chew...
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I tried posting this once but it vanished so ill try again...

Listen. Don't listen to anyone here. I have a fail proof plan that will make you come out of this a winner.

Start in 4lo. Put your auto in 2nd, and GUN IT. odds are this bog is going to kick your a** so don't be a wuss with that gas pedal. Hit that hole going 10 or 15mph and STAY ON IT. if the water gets to your hood STOP. Don't worry about your axles because you won't find any traction in thst hole. if you get stuck, take a moment and try to free yourself but don't do anything retarded like redline in reverse. At this point the announcer will be a smarta** and poke fun. When that starts, crawl out your Jeep. Get on the hood. Remove your shirt. Put both arms up and flip everyone off with both hands. Spin around once or twice so everyone in the crowd gets a piece, then backflip or cannonball into the water.

They'll love you and you'll become a local legend.

Trust me. I drive a JK so I always feel like I have something to prove offroad. I'm good at this.
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When that starts, crawl out your Jeep. Get on the hood. Remove your shirt. Put both arms up and flip everyone off with both hands. Spin around once or twice so everyone in the crowd gets a piece, then backflip or cannonball into the water.

That would be incredible...haha.
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I'd go and watch...don't think I'd take a Daily driver into any sort of competitive event where the likelyhood of broken bits is high...based on the videos I've seen of Mud Bogging I agree w/ InfernoGirl. (biting off more than you can chew).
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There have been alot of great points made here.
It's your DD- if you can't fix whatever breaks, how are you going to get to school? Just something to think about...

If you have the bug for dirt, go on some fire roads and play. There's better scenery out there than at a fair anyway (well, not counting the scenery that's WALKIN' BY of course!)

If you DO decide to go, do the 1/4 tank as mentioned above, and remove anything you can from the interior, and I mean anything! It's added weight, potential projectiles, and if the mud comes inside, you'll have more stuff to clean.
Eyeball the competition. Like I.G. stated, if they run some 44's through the pit before you're up, you'll either need to pick a new line or bring a paddle.

Whatever you decide to do, just remember, it's a JEEP. Your choice will be the right choice, no matter what!

Oh yeah, if you do it, and you get stuck, don't forget to wave to the crowd! I doubt anyone's going to make fun of you. The one's going through the mud will understand your need for dirt, those who aren't in the mud are pansies.
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Listen. Don't listen to anyone here. I have a fail proof plan that will make you come out of this a winner.

Start in 4lo. Put your auto in 2nd, and GUN IT. odds are this bog is going to kick your a** so don't be a wuss with that gas pedal. Hit that hole going 10 or 15mph and STAY ON IT. if the water gets to your hood STOP. Don't worry about your axles because you won't find any traction in thst hole. if you get stuck, take a moment and try to free yourself but don't do anything retarded like redline in reverse. At this point the announcer will be a smarta** and poke fun. When that starts, crawl out your Jeep. Get on the hood. Remove your shirt. Put both arms up and flip everyone off with both hands. Spin around once or twice so everyone in the crowd gets a piece, then backflip or cannonball into the water.

They'll love you and you'll become a local legend.

Trust me. I drive a JK so I always feel like I have something to prove offroad. I'm good at this.
woohoo! do that!
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woohoo! do that!
...and have someone record the video to post here right after the event
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if you get stuck, take a moment and try to free yourself but don't do anything retarded like redline in reverse. At this point the announcer will be a smarta** and poke fun. When that starts, crawl out your Jeep. Get on the hood. Remove your shirt. Put both arms up and flip everyone off with both hands. Spin around once or twice so everyone in the crowd gets a piece, then backflip or cannonball into the water.
haha I can see you getting WAY more rep then anything else this way. Admiting defeat and not acting like a whiny jackass is one way to keep their respect.
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Get on the hood. Remove your shirt. Put both arms up and flip everyone off with both hands. Spin around once or twice so everyone in the crowd gets a piece, then backflip or cannonball into the water.
Not a bad idea. I might even win if I did that!

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IF it wasn't your DD, and you had $ to burn to fix what ever may break, then heck yeah it'd be a blast. If you don't have the $, skill, alternative transportation, then being a mom, I'd recommend against it. (I'm a fun sucker....)
That's okay, InfernoGirl. Moms only suck the fun out of things that probably wouldn't be fun anyway, at least not in the aftermath. My mom gave me The Look when I told her I wanted to do it, but she didn't say too much. Thanks for the advice.
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Is this a vehicle you use everyday? do you need it? Would it hurt if the vehicle has to be put in a shop for a week or two? Do you have the money to fix it? Can you get home if something breaks?

I watched a stock Jeep with bigger tires do a local mud run, and halfway thru they blew their engine. They started getting bogged down, reved it too high and pow. end of that Jeep. They were inexperienced. they didn't have a way home, that's what they came in. They had to get it towed home. The girlfriend was giving him grief because that was his sole transportation. he was freaked due to worrying about how much it was gonna cost to repair. 15 seconds of fun pretty much ruined alot for him.
Like I tell my son, if your gonna play, be ready to pay.
Yeah, that's pretty much my worst nightmare...

Maybe driving through a giant mud hole isn't the best way to get my fix!
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LOL Nice pics Kate! That "hot mess" is pretty much what I'm envisioning as the type pit they'll have for a competitive mud bog. All the ones I've ever seen are pretty deep with the consistency of oatmeal.... I just think he might bite off more than he can chew...
I agree with you, but it will be fun reading his story when he gets back!

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