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Old 02-18-2013, 04:02 PM   #1
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Is this a no no ?

Is it alright to use antiseize compound on bolts that i torque? As my jeep is getting older, it seems harder and harder to get some of the bolts out anymore.
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yes.
the only time you do not use anti seize is on a nord lock bolt washer system and you won't find them on a Jeep unless you put them there and spend a bunch of money

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thank you..
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You will generally get a more accurate torque reading with some anti-seize on there, and a bonus, they will likely come off easier too in the future
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Just keep it to the threads and avoid getting it on stuff like the flange of your lug nuts because it's actually possible to over-torque if you go beyond the threads.
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That is a good point to know.
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Torque specs are different when you use antiseize.
http://www.machinetoolhelp.com/Repai...que-chart.html
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Wow...
interesting sight. When you get up into the larger bolts ; oil or wax etc. reduces the torque values by as much as 200 lbs. I guess i am going to forget the antisieze. Thanks for providing the link.
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interesting sight. When you get up into the larger bolts ; oil or wax etc. reduces the torque values by as much as 200 lbs. I guess i am going to forget the antisieze. Thanks for providing the link.
Yeah, it surprised me as well. I learned that tidbit from Jerry B. then immediately took all the antiseize off my lug nuts and re-torqued.
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Torque values for any given fastener are for dry threads, unless otherwise noted.
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interesting sight. When you get up into the larger bolts ; oil or wax etc. reduces the torque values by as much as 200 lbs. I guess i am going to forget the antisieze. Thanks for providing the link.
Hey guy you want to use anti seize. I build helicopters for a living and I use anti seize everyday on the aircraft that I fly and sell and would drive to the store to buy some if i ran out before i installed a bolt into any of my personal rides on land or sky.
A Jeep that lives a life in harsh conditions needs it more then any of them.
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Particularly important when using non-matching metals (i.e. a steel bolt into an aluminum head).

RE: torque values, one of the most important lessons I learned working on motorcycles is that torque values are for CLEAN threads. Most times when doing work on a vehicle with some miles on it, by the time you reassemble, threads are no longer clean. Important to clean them in torque-sensitive applications.

Interesting tidbit about torque values being for dry threads. Never thought about that. I'm particularly surprised about the higher values being so sensitive to it - I'd have thought the high pressures would eliminate lubricating properties of all but the higher viscosity fluids. Thanks for the info!
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Hey guy you want to use anti seize. I build helicopters for a living and I use anti seize everyday on the aircraft that I fly and sell and would drive to the store to buy some if i ran out before i installed a bolt into any of my personal rides on land or sky.
A Jeep that lives a life in harsh conditions needs it more then any of them.
your bio says you fix medical equiptment.
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your bio says you fix medical equiptment.
His bio also says he is a co-pilot, that is good enough for me.

Regarding Locktite, I would just make sure to only use Blue Locktite for fittings that you'll need to unfasten again later. Some unknowingly use Red Locktite which can only be removed after being heated.

And yep, using anything like Locktite or antiseize on hardware greatly decreases the friction and force needed to tighten it so torque values need to decrease accordingly.
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His bio also says he is a co-pilot, that is good enough for me.

Regarding Locktite, I would just make sure to only use Blue Locktite for fittings that you'll need to unfasten again later. Some unknowingly use Red Locktite which can only be removed after being heated.

And yep, using anything like Locktite or antiseize on hardware greatly decreases the friction and force needed to tighten it so torque values need to decrease accordingly.
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what does this have to do with locktite? I My question is weather antiseize affects torque value.
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what does this have to do with locktite? I My question is weather antiseize affects torque value.
Read the entire post of mine you quoted where I already confirmed in the last sentence that antiseize decreases the torque value that hardware should be tightened to. Specifically, a good rule of thumb is to decrease the ft-lbs. setting by is approx. 30% for hardware that has had antiseize applied to. So if something is normally tightened to 100 ft-lbs when dry, decrease that by approx. 30% or 30 ft-lbs. so the correct tightness after antiseize would instead be approx. 70 ft-lbs.
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thanks for the telling me the correct procedure for calculating the torque value when using antiseize. So do you think i should even consider using it? Getting old now and things dont come apart like they used to . I don't want to compromise the torque values just to make my life easier
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I use antiseize on certain areas of my TJ like the tie rod threads & t-case skidplate bolt threads. Not so much elsewhere since I live in SOCAL where the roads aren't salted like they are back East where you live. If I lived there, I would probably antiseize most of the big hardware, just realizing the torque values need to be reduced by around 30%.
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sounds like the right way to go.
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your bio says you fix medical equiptment.
I own cerified bio-medics here in wichita falls and i test fly and work on experimental gryo planes for Carter Aerospace here in wichita falls look it up on line it is a pretty cool job i have .
The Smithsonian Channel just did a special on us that will air this month and we are on the cover of Vertiflite Magizine (april issue at news stands next month)

http://www.cartercopters.com/
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His bio also says he is a co-pilot, that is good enough for me.

Regarding Locktite, I would just make sure to only use Blue Locktite for fittings that you'll need to unfasten again later. Some unknowingly use Red Locktite which can only be removed after being heated.

And yep, using anything like Locktite or antiseize on hardware greatly decreases the friction and force needed to tighten it so torque values need to decrease accordingly.
Thanks Jerry.

This is the new one we just rolled out this week for testing
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Very cool, that is certainly no cheapy hobbiest gyrocopter. As a PP-ASEL, you guys that fly rotary wings have bigger balls than I do, I don't trust anything without wings.
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Very cool, that is certainly no cheapy hobbiest gyrocopter. As a PP-ASEL, you guys that fly rotary wings have bigger balls than I do, I don't trust anything without wings.
Check out the web site the pic is without the wings we have best of all worlds.
It is a Gyroplane.
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After witnessing an Osprey go down in the Potomac, I'd rather just pick one at a time. Rotor or wing. Not both. Very cool aircraft though. It would definitely shorten my commute to work
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Check out the web site the pic is without the wings we have best of all worlds.
It is a Gyroplane.
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Cool technology, it'd be fun to fly something like that. Is there much of a noise footprint with the rotor? I'd think not since it's rotational speed is so slow. That'd be cool if you guys could get the military to start buying them.
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I own cerified bio-medics here in wichita falls and i test fly and work on experimental gryo planes for Carter Aerospace here in wichita falls look it up on line it is a pretty cool job i have .
The Smithsonian Channel just did a special on us that will air this month and we are on the cover of Vertiflite Magizine (april issue at news stands next month)

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I stand corrected. That looks like my idea of fun. I wonder if it will mount to the top of my jeep
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Jerry the one in the pic is for the military (AAI). We are building two for them that will be made into drones. Jay has come up with a Rotor that allows us to achieve and break Mu1
something the aerospace world said could not be done. In two years we plan on flying from dallas to paris non stop on one tank of fuel and this year we will be flying 2000 miles over land to break the rotor craft record.
The rotor can be and will be used for a vertical take off on everything from a small gyro up to a c-10 . Jay is changing a lot of things in the aviation world and I am lucky to get to be part of it.
catskill we would but it has already been done
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I was hoping he worked on care flight helicopters. That would explain both!

But seriously that looks fun.
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That looks like Goldmember's copter.....

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This is the new one we just rolled out this week for testing
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That looks like Goldmember's copter.....
Goldfinger's too.

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