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Old 02-05-2008, 03:44 PM   #1
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it was raining inside my tj. i hate hard tops.

my floors in my 97 rotted out enough to where i had to lay new metel down. the funny thing is there isnt any rust anywhere else on the thing. i got in my jeep after work today and there was so much condensation it was dripping off the roof. has anyone else seen this before

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Old 02-05-2008, 06:49 PM   #2
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there has to be somebody out there who has had this problem

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Happens on my YJ whenever we have the unseasonably warm rains.
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thank you that means im not as crazy as my wife says. realy though what do you think causes this
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wouldnt that only happen if there was already moisture on the inside? Is there a leak down by your feet or something?
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I had a Tracker that leaked so bad my regi and inspection sticker fell off from the moisture! When the sun was out it was like a greenhouse.
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in touch with your inner rain?

I had the same problem after a recent rain storm dumped a huge puddle into my cab area. (my cab cover could not withstand the water weight). The weather got cooler and I put my hardtop back on before my carpet had completely dried. The combination of excess moisture and a heater that would not open to allow heat into the cab allowed a huge condensation on the cooler roof. Every bump caused a rain shower. Needless to say I had the heater repaired the next day and the carpet has dried completely so no more inner rain storms!
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Old 02-06-2008, 07:08 PM   #8
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No problems here, i have HT.
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wouldnt that only happen if there was already moisture on the inside? Is there a leak down by your feet or something?
exactly ^.

you may have leak somewhere else. never to that extent, or even close, but I've had issues with wet carpeting etc. and still don't know where it came from.
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My guess would have been snow but since you live in TX i guess thats out.
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My guess would have been snow but since you live in TX i guess thats out.
Yeah, way out. It was during a long drizzling 3 day rain. Carpets wet from trunk to driver floorboard. Still have no idea.
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i had this in my old TJ.
nearly every morning in the winter there were water drops at the hardtops inside.
after drying the TJ in a heated garage for a week it was gone. there must have been some water under the carpet.
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Are all of your drain plugs installed? Could you have gotten water under your carpet from underneath?
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I don't think the soggy interior is your problem. I've looked a more than a few jeeps out of NY State that made it down to NJ and PA, up top they have always looked good but I'm one of those who get under it and look. There were 3 TJ's in one lot in NJ, two from NY one from south jersey, all looked great from the first walk around, when I got underneath it was a shock. I've seen better frames and underbodies on ford and chevy pickup trucks abandoned for 45 years in a farmers field, they were for lack of a better word 'nasty' under there. I don't know what NY uses for winter road treatment but I'm amazed it's not banned by the EPA as a corrosive chemical. After that I understood better that old saying that NY'ers have two cars, one for the winter and one for the spring, summer and fall.
Once you get it all cleaned up I'd look at the old style oil spray treatments your northern neighbors use.

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Rich, probably salt like here in chicago. We have new cars that came out of the dealership still with 10k miles on them with rusty frames after the first winter.

Thats the reason why over the summer i'll be ripping out whatever paint and rust i can get off the stock frame and then painting it over.
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Its not the raods here in NY its the weather....my tools get rusted in the garage over the winter and after I clean them up in spring they stay nice and clean till next winter....my jeep has very minimal rust for being on long island for the past 3 years it only rust wherethe paints scratched off (ex. gas tank skid bottom of the TC skid and the sides of my frame rail on the drivers side) but the rust is so thin that it comes right off with a wire wheel on the end of a drill


about the hard top.... my passenger front feet well gets a puddle about 3-4 inches deep everytime it rains (husky liners help there) and it gets wet on the rear passenger foot well also but some it only goes under the husky liner so i have no idea where it could possibly come from...my door seals are all brand new

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Its not the raods here in NY its the weather....my tools get rusted in the garage over the winter and after I clean them up in spring they stay nice and clean till next winter....my jeep has very minimal rust for being on long island for the past 3 years it only rust wherethe paints scratched off (ex. gas tank skid bottom of the TC skid and the sides of my frame rail on the drivers side) but the rust is so thin that it comes right off with a wire wheel on the end of a drill


about the hard top.... my passenger front feet well gets a puddle about 3-4 inches deep everytime it rains (husky liners help there) and it gets wet on the rear passenger foot well also but some it only goes under the husky liner so i have no idea where it could possibly come from...my door seals are all brand new

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Pull your cowl, there is a big rubber grommet or dam around the heater/def inlet, make sure it's on the ledge and seated. They made them bigger after 97/98, sometimes if you get too much rain or water in there it would not drain fast enough and would overflow the dam and end up in the heater box.
As for LI and rust, thats the trials and tribulations of living in a salt water environment like that. It's much worse on LI than say Sdiego for some reason, trade winds or something maybe. Even cape cod is not as bad as LI for that.
Go up to syracuse or albany, you can almost hear them rusting it's that bad.
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im sick of it. anyone wanna do some trading for a hard top and hard doors
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I found an inch and a half in the front passenger floor. About 3/4 in the back. So today between rain drops I removed my top and installed "Camper Tape" on the top of the tub and reinstalled the top. Hopefully it stops. Ill have to check out the cowl seal.
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HELP!!!! The cowl in my 97 is just vents it doesnt remove like other years.
Also is the little 1/2 inch pipe sticking out under thehood on the passenger side firewall the drain for that? If so maybe Ill have to "snake it" to clean it out.
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I was looking at the tailgate on my TJ and the seal that attaches to yhe gate doesnt touch the glass seal very well. I went to local dealer and they couldnt come up with the # for the seal. Like it didnt exist. Anyone have a seal on the top of thier gate?
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i have a rubber seal at the bottom of my glass is this what your talking about
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I was looking at the tailgate on my TJ and the seal that attaches to yhe gate doesnt touch the glass seal very well. I went to local dealer and they couldnt come up with the # for the seal. Like it didnt exist. Anyone have a seal on the top of thier gate?
yes, I have the same little 1/16" gap that I think may be letting in rain. But only sometimes?
Only a gasket on the bottom of the glass. I'm about to put some kind of weather strip on the top of the gate to get a better closure.

That little stub on the firewall below the battery is where the a/c drains.
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My rear glass has a seal but there is also another one on the top of the tailgate. The rain runs down the back window and right in the back of the Jeep.


My Jeep doesnt have A/C, what would that drain be used for?
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change all of the seals and see if that helps.
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wouldnt that only happen if there was already moisture on the inside? Is there a leak down by your feet or something?
There is a large amount of moisture in the air, it just requires the proper heat and pressure combination to condensate.
Here is one possible cause.

MOST LIKELY ANSWER- The air where you live is fairly humid, or it is raining outside. If the inside of your jeep is warmer than the air outside air by the proper amount then it will cause the water vapor molecules inside your jeep to raise to the cold hardtop. (When water vapor molecules cool they turn back into liquid water) So when they touch the cold hardtop they turn back into a liquid and drip to your floor.
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HELP!!!! The cowl in my 97 is just vents it doesnt remove like other years.
Also is the little 1/2 inch pipe sticking out under thehood on the passenger side firewall the drain for that? If so maybe Ill have to "snake it" to clean it out.
That drain is for the heater/AC box for that condensate. That cowl does come off, I know it for a fact as I had to replace it and the windshield and other parts after rolling mine. You need to remove the wipers though and it comes off after removing the screws, you also have a couple under the hood too to remove.
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Ill have to check that out. Do you guys think one of those scoops that covers the vent between the hood and windshield would stop some of it?
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Ill have to check that out. Do you guys think one of those scoops that covers the vent between the hood and windshield would stop some of it?
I would just make sure the dam is in place first, no cost, just about 15 min of time to remove the cowl and eyeball it. I think you can even buy a replacement that is an inch or two taller. I remember this came up on the rec.willyjeep news group a few years ago but I did not have a TJ at the time so other than reading it I never paid much attention. Neither one of my 97's have this problem.
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