Jeep accident - Jeep Wrangler Forum
Jeep Wrangler Forum

Go Back   Jeep Wrangler Forum > TJ Jeep Wrangler Forum > TJ General Discussion Forum

Join Wrangler Forum Today


Reply
 
Thread Tools

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on WranglerForum.com
Old 11-03-2009, 08:44 PM   #1
Newb
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 1
Jeep accident

i just came upon this video on YouTube. I figured i would share it with you guys as you might appreciate knowing that Rusty's track bars are terrible!!


sft4life is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-03-2009, 09:13 PM   #2
Jeeper
 
turdhurdler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Hemet, CA Hemet is Heaven...
Posts: 7,206
Send a message via AIM to turdhurdler
Anyone know the back story to this accident? Everyone OK? The aftermath makes me second guess the ability of the factory roll bar. Scary stuff for sure.

Jeff

__________________
Mall crawlin' in 4 Lo.
turdhurdler is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-03-2009, 09:58 PM   #3
Jeeper
 
jerryj's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Idyllwild
Posts: 670
Both were fine I dont know how,I feel bad for him that was a really nice jeep.
jerryj is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-03-2009, 10:05 PM   #4
Show Me Your 8008135!

WF Supporting Member
 
s3nt3nc3d's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Piqua, OH
Posts: 3,641
Send a message via AIM to s3nt3nc3d
It says in the video the "Rusty's Off Road Track Bar" or something like that snapped...and I think it caused him to lose control and eat dirt/road...
s3nt3nc3d is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-03-2009, 10:19 PM   #5
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 126
from what i read, the track bar broke causing them to lose steering, ran into a hill side and flipped over.
RhcSavage21 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-04-2009, 01:05 AM   #6
Jeeper
 
ExDementia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: San Diego
Posts: 1,221
Quote:
Originally Posted by RhcSavage21 View Post
from what i read, the track bar broke causing them to lose steering, ran into a hill side and flipped over.
That's gotta be a scary few moments there after that happens...
__________________
1991 XJ Cherokee, 4.0, AW4, NP-242, SYE
HP D30, Rusty's axle truss, Currie HD steering, diff. slider
C8.25, Powertrax locker
4.5" RE up front and Rough Country out back
33" BFG A/T's 15" soft 8's
Suspension seats, rock sliders, plated rear corner panels,
trimmed fenders, CB, exhaust, lights, remote locks and start, etc.
Past jeeps:97 TJ, 99 TJ

Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoff@Bestop View Post
In video games, the bad guy's bullets travel much slower than the good guy's bullets.
ExDementia is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-04-2009, 02:07 AM   #7
Jeeper
 
jdhallissey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Gurnee,IL
Posts: 5,104
Send a message via AIM to jdhallissey
Did the cop not realize that truck is almost 4500 pounds with all that stuff on it lol. Sucks for the truck tho.
__________________
Know nothing SPEAK on everything

Quote:
Originally Posted by ccain View Post
Isn't the JK just a rebodied PT Cruiser?!

Quote:
Originally Posted by coyote_94yj
Just a few more inches Red. You can take it.


If you haven't gotten more out of the insurance company than you deserve, then you haven't screwed them nearly as much as they have been screwing you for the past xx years.
jdhallissey is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-04-2009, 02:26 AM   #8
Aka Vaultzz

WF Supporting Member
 
Vaultzz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: My Secret Lab
Posts: 5,624
Quote:
Originally Posted by turdhurdler View Post
The aftermath makes me second guess the ability of the factory roll bar.
Thats what I was thinking, I just went out to actually look at my roll bar and how its mounted. It looks like its just bolted to the body, is it supposed to go into the frame?
__________________
The YJ is in Rebuild Mode
Vaultzz is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-04-2009, 03:08 AM   #9
Jeeper
 
csamn2007's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Peterson AFB CO
Posts: 1,911
Send a message via AIM to csamn2007
The first time i saw this it made me sad. Everytime i notice something new about the Jeep. Tummy tuck!
__________________
2000 Wrangler Sport
2 in Procomp SL 1 in BL
33 in Procomp MTs
csamn2007 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-04-2009, 06:31 AM   #10
Jeeper
 
kdukes4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Maine
Posts: 679
was it that the track bar snapped or was it one of the mounting bolts that broke? I thought it was the bolt on the axle mounting bracket that snapped and then the lost control? i saw this video a couple weeks ago when i was looking up trackbar installs online. eh who knows. either way, yikes.
__________________
'04 tj, d44s & arb's
kdukes4 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-04-2009, 08:09 AM   #11
Jeeper
 
skeeter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Spokane, Wa.
Posts: 3,869
Send a message via Yahoo to skeeter
Quote:
Originally Posted by sft4life View Post
i just came upon this video on YouTube. I figured i would share it with you guys as you might appreciate knowing that Rusty's track bars are terrible!!
Do we know for certain that the track bar was responsible for the accident? Looks to me like it most likely broke during the impact considering the damage to that wheel.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdhallissey View Post
Did the cop not realize that truck is almost 4500 pounds with all that stuff on it lol. Sucks for the truck tho.
Doesn't look like he had too much trouble moving it out of the road.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vaultzz View Post
Thats what I was thinking, I just went out to actually look at my roll bar and how its mounted. It looks like its just bolted to the body, is it supposed to go into the frame?
If the factory cage were supposed to be a true roll cage then yes, it should tie into the frame. The factory cage isn't designed to hold up to a major accident, it might protect you in a slow speed flop but that's about it. It's just there for show.
Quote:
Originally Posted by RhcSavage21 View Post
from what i read, the track bar broke causing them to lose steering, ran into a hill side and flipped over.
Where did you read this? Is there an accident investigation report or is it just the story from the driver?
__________________
"But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." - Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, 1782

Arguing with a truck driver is like wrestling with a pig in mud, eventually you realize the pig enjoys it.
skeeter is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-04-2009, 04:31 PM   #12
Jeeper
 
kdukes4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Maine
Posts: 679
hey buzzkillington





watch the last 20 seconds. this might give some evidence as to why the track bar could have been the culprit for the roll over. i'm not saying that it was in fact the true reason for the roll over, but i think if the kid had found out the true reason, he would have made a statement saying otherwise in the description of the video.
__________________
'04 tj, d44s & arb's
kdukes4 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-05-2009, 09:49 AM   #13
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Chardon, Ohio
Posts: 32
Now thats some carnage.
Ohio Wrangler 21 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-05-2009, 10:09 AM   #14
Aka Vaultzz

WF Supporting Member
 
Vaultzz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: My Secret Lab
Posts: 5,624
Skeeter: Oh master of answers
__________________
The YJ is in Rebuild Mode
Vaultzz is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-05-2009, 10:34 AM   #15
Jeeper
 
little1989jeep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: lima ohio
Posts: 1,775
if you find part one it says in the description that the trac bar broked
__________________
There's a line between adventure and stupidity.

Quote:
Originally Posted by frankenstein_yj View Post
oh and when i find the guy who invented torx screws i have a big can of wup-ass for him
little1989jeep is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-05-2009, 08:53 PM   #16
Jeeper
 
skeeter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Spokane, Wa.
Posts: 3,869
Send a message via Yahoo to skeeter
I hate it when things get broked.


Quote:
Originally Posted by kdukes4 View Post
hey buzzkillington
Is that a reference to me?



Quote:
Originally Posted by kdukes4 View Post
watch the last 20 seconds. this might give some evidence as to why the track bar could have been the culprit for the roll over. i'm not saying that it was in fact the true reason for the roll over, but i think if the kid had found out the true reason, he would have made a statement saying otherwise in the description of the video.
Would he?
Try this scenario on for size: Kid in lifted Jeep with large tires is book'n down a winding mountain road, as he enters a sharp curve he feels the Jeep start to tip and over corrects causing the Jeep to roll multiple times and with enough force to rip the center section out of the driver side wheel and snap the threaded shaft of the track bar joint. So when the cop arrives and asks what happened he points to the now broken trac bar joint and says "Dude!! Like, it wasn't my fault dude. the trac bar made me do it"

I don't know what happened since I wasn't there but I used to do accident investigation for a trucking company, it's amazing how many people will make up stories to keep from taking responsibility for their own actions or to try and win big in a law suit.

If the trac bar caused the accident then there needs to be a full investigation and recall if this wasn't just a one off flaw in materiel. If the trac bar didn't cause the accident then this thread is damaging the reputation of a small business that most likely relies on that reputation to stay in business.

Again, I don't know what happened, that's why I asked questions. I would like to know if there has been an actual investigation and determination of cause. A close examination of the joint should show whether it had a flaw in the metal that weakened over time, or if it was sheared in a sudden, violent impact.
__________________
"But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." - Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, 1782

Arguing with a truck driver is like wrestling with a pig in mud, eventually you realize the pig enjoys it.
skeeter is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-06-2009, 01:32 PM   #17
Jeeper
 
kdukes4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Maine
Posts: 679
so now you're just stereotyping an adolescent? if you don't mind me asking, what's your current occupation? we're looking for quality state troopers up here and i would be honored to have you in the academy! if you need a recommendation, let me know. you'd be solving cases left and right. you'd do a great job explaining to the inland fisheries and wildlife department how dead deer and moose keep on showing up on the side of the road. you've got this stuff down good.

you enjoy arguing too huh?

this is a thread to a forum, not some public document signed by NASA etc. people say whatever they want and can make opinions about anything they choose. i would like to assume everyone here is rationale enough to realize what someone chooses to say may not be right. i don't think thats gonna ruin a small business like rusty's.
__________________
'04 tj, d44s & arb's
kdukes4 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-07-2009, 11:25 AM   #18
Jeeper
 
skeeter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Spokane, Wa.
Posts: 3,869
Send a message via Yahoo to skeeter
Quote:
Originally Posted by kdukes4 View Post
so now you're just stereotyping an adolescent?
Nope, stereo typing today's society in general. Accepting responsibility for your actions doesn't seam to be as fashionable as it once was.

Quote:
Originally Posted by kdukes4 View Post
if you don't mind me asking, what's your current occupation?
Transportation engineer
I drive trucks
Quote:
Originally Posted by kdukes4 View Post
we're looking for quality state troopers up here and i would be honored to have you in the academy! if you need a recommendation, let me know. you'd be solving cases left and right. you'd do a great job explaining to the inland fisheries and wildlife department how dead deer and moose keep on showing up on the side of the road. you've got this stuff down good.
If they can offer $65,000+, Full medical, vision, dental, 401K and at least 3 weeks vacation to start I'd tempted to offer my services. A good portion of the accidents I had to look into involved animal strikes so I have a bit of experience. Of course, if they can't figure out why animals die on the sides of roads I think they may need more than just an investigator.

Quote:
Originally Posted by kdukes4 View Post
you enjoy arguing too huh?
Shhhh, don't say that too loud, I'm trying to keep it a secret, I don't think anyone else has figured that out yet...

Quote:
Originally Posted by kdukes4 View Post
this is a thread to a forum, not some public document signed by NASA etc. people say whatever they want and can make opinions about anything they choose. i would like to assume everyone here is rationale enough to realize what someone chooses to say may not be right. i don't think thats gonna ruin a small business like rusty's.
Every business relies on reputation to some extent to attract and retain customers, in a small niche market such as modifying off road vehicles reputation becomes even more important and can more easily be damaged, especially when dealing with safety. This is indeed just a thread on a forum, however, topics posted on one forum can easily and quickly go viral, spreading throughout the web wheeling community. Many of the topics posted here on Wrangler forum are re posts from other forums and some topics from here get posted elsewhere.
The original poster made a statement:
Quote:
Originally Posted by sft4life
I figured i would share it with you guys as you might appreciate knowing that Rusty's track bars are terrible!!
I'm simply asking if there's is evidence, other than speculation by the driver, to confirm this statement. Has the broken trac bar been examined by a third party to determine if it indeed was the culprit? Is there a history of Rusty's trac bars breaking to justify stating that all Rusty's trac bars are "terrible"?
I'm not claiming that the original poster is wrong in his assertion, I'm simply asking questions...
__________________
"But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." - Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, 1782

Arguing with a truck driver is like wrestling with a pig in mud, eventually you realize the pig enjoys it.
skeeter is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 11-07-2009, 11:31 AM   #19
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Fairy land......
Posts: 473
I'm with Skeeter.......... Them damn kids,.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Jeepsr4me is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 12-03-2009, 08:22 PM   #20
Jeeper
 
bagged92sdime's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Klamath Falls, OR
Posts: 136
Send a message via AIM to bagged92sdime Send a message via MSN to bagged92sdime Send a message via Yahoo to bagged92sdime
Damn...I hate it when that happens! It was a nice lookin Jeep tho.
bagged92sdime is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 12-04-2009, 07:47 AM   #21
Jeeper
 
HyperBuzzin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Western PA
Posts: 642
Quote:
Originally Posted by turdhurdler View Post
The aftermath makes me second guess the ability of the factory roll bar.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vaultzz View Post
Thats what I was thinking, I just went out to actually look at my roll bar and how its mounted. It looks like its just bolted to the body, is it supposed to go into the frame?
Like Skeeter said
Quote:
Originally Posted by skeeter View Post
If the factory cage were supposed to be a true roll cage then yes, it should tie into the frame.
But... it's NOT a roll bar, it's described as a SPORT bar.
If you are thinking a roll bar will help save your life out on the trails, then remove the stock sport bar and put in a roll bar!!!
__________________
'04 TJ Unlimited (The Original Unlimited!!)
2.25"BB, 32" M/T's & Super Swampers for off-road
Where we're goin', we don't need no stinkin' roads!!
HyperBuzzin is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 12-04-2009, 08:52 AM   #22
I HAVE A BELLYBUTTON!

WF Supporting Member
 
cavediverjc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: On the grassy knoll...
Posts: 7,055
Quote:
Originally Posted by skeeter View Post
Nope, stereo typing today's society in general. Accepting responsibility for your actions doesn't seam to be as fashionable as it once was.


Transportation engineer
I drive trucks

If they can offer $65,000+, Full medical, vision, dental, 401K and at least 3 weeks vacation to start I'd tempted to offer my services. A good portion of the accidents I had to look into involved animal strikes so I have a bit of experience. Of course, if they can't figure out why animals die on the sides of roads I think they may need more than just an investigator.


Shhhh, don't say that too loud, I'm trying to keep it a secret, I don't think anyone else has figured that out yet...


Every business relies on reputation to some extent to attract and retain customers, in a small niche market such as modifying off road vehicles reputation becomes even more important and can more easily be damaged, especially when dealing with safety. This is indeed just a thread on a forum, however, topics posted on one forum can easily and quickly go viral, spreading throughout the web wheeling community. Many of the topics posted here on Wrangler forum are re posts from other forums and some topics from here get posted elsewhere.
The original poster made a statement:

I'm simply asking if there's is evidence, other than speculation by the driver, to confirm this statement. Has the broken trac bar been examined by a third party to determine if it indeed was the culprit? Is there a history of Rusty's trac bars breaking to justify stating that all Rusty's trac bars are "terrible"?
I'm not claiming that the original poster is wrong in his assertion, I'm simply asking questions...
I admire your patience, Skeeter. His post was full of condenscension but you didn't take it personally. He should take notes on how to post like a mature adult.
__________________
Americans sleep safely in their beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do them harm...

Happiness is a Barrett M82A1 .50 caliber and a target at least a click out........

I come in peace. I didn't bring artillery. But I'm pleading with you with tears in my eyes, if you f**k with me, I'll kill you all.....
cavediverjc is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 12-04-2009, 09:07 AM   #23
Jeeper
 
jerryj's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Idyllwild
Posts: 670
Quote:
Originally Posted by cavediverjc View Post
I admire your patience, Skeeter. His post was full of condenscension but you didn't take it personally. He should take notes on how to post like a mature adult.
x2 skeet

jerryj is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Jeep Wrangler Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The Jeep Wave Saint101 General Jeep Discussion 115 05-06-2011 06:45 PM
Biggest Jeep Freek Contest!!!! txoutdoorx4 Classifieds Archive 6 02-21-2011 10:48 AM
History of the Jeep. George T. General Jeep Discussion 8 02-04-2009 01:03 AM
It's Better In A Jeep Dare2BSquare Off-Topic 0 01-27-2008 09:13 PM
Had the best ride in my Jeep so far.... hedonist Off-Topic 8 01-08-2008 10:06 AM



» Featured Product

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:51 PM.



Jeep®, Wrangler, Liberty, Wagoneer, Cherokee, and Grand Cherokee are copyrighted and trademarked to Chrysler Motors LLC.
Wranglerforum.com is not in any way associated with the Chrysler Motors LLC