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Old 05-16-2012, 01:24 AM   #31
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Thanks for all the replies.
I think I disagree with the one poster who said that maybe the Jeep was not for me. I would not have traded in a 2005 vehicle with less than 70K miles for a fourteen year old vehicle with 110K+ unless I knew that I liked the ride and the aesthetics of Jeeps. My concern was that I was beginning to feel as though I had overpaid and that the sort of issues/annoyances I'm having this early on are uncommon. After reading through the forum a bit more, though, I see that everyone is constantly changing something up. As I mentioned in one of my previous posts, the majority of my annoyances with the Jeep are just cosmetic or interior ones (like a mediocre bedliner job or poorly upholstered seats). Mechanically, everything in my Jeep seems sound. I just needed to get the shocks replaces because the PO had completely shot them. I'll get used to it, and to the idea of putting back a bit more money to get this thing exactly the way I want it. On a first year teacher's salary, it's going to take a while to get it the way I want it, but that's part of the fun, right? I certainly have a lot of good examples to draw from - all of you have great looking Jeeps. I'm looking forward to learning more as I continue reading through the forum. Thanks for all the kind and encouraging words.

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This is a great thread, I have an 01 TJ bought it and no more than 3 days later engine needs to be replaced, did it hurt my wallet, oh yes it did, do I regret it? Hahaha not in ever, now I have a ride that'll last me another good 10+ years, and it has converted me to a Jeep guy. They're fun, reliable, and they'll get you where you need to go, the easy way, or the fun way!

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Old 05-16-2012, 04:45 AM   #33
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Really Joe? You drive a Jeep now... End of story... If you want to be a Nitpicker, then go back to your Honda. I hope that I'm around with a camera when you get you 1st scratch on her. That will be funny. But on the lighter side side of things, you have a nice looking Jeep and remember you did buy a used older Jeep (14 yeas older). Post some pic's of her when you get mud on it.Good Luck!
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You bought a 14 year old vehicle so no matter how awesome it is it's going to require replacement maintenance be it a Ferrari or a Jeep. Once you get that concept firmly planted in your head the repairs won't mentally hurt as much.

And just wait until you start modding....
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Old 05-16-2012, 08:19 AM   #35
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I bought my '03 sahara in June 2010 with 113,000 miles on it. I paid $13K. It had no mods. The soft top was worn out and leaking so I found a replacement hard-top on Craigs list for $300.
I swapped-out the headlights to after-market set from ebay....$40 (optional).
I swapped out the tail lights with a LED set from ebay..$40 (optional).
It had two worn out Michelin LTX tires on it when I bought it so I replaced all 4 with Sumitomo All Terrains.....$790.
I installed a front receiver hitch from Ebay....$140.
I bought two motorcycle rearview mirrors for when I went doorless...$30
I replaced the windshield wiper blades....$30
Four oil changes at $30 ea
5 gallons of Rain-X windshield bug-wash at $2ea
THe only repair I made which I would say was remotely related to design flaw or poor construction was I had to replace one of the A/C knobs....twice...That hit me for $2 each time.
I traded it 18 months later at 138,000 miles and the dealership gave me $11,500 for it.

I traded the TJ for a '12 JK. I installed a front receiver hitch....$60. After about a month, it had an annoying glitch in the hands-free unit which would disconnect calls...warranty replaced the entire430 head-unit and the hands-free assembly. While I was at the dealership for the radio work, I asked what the maintenance schedule was for the jk. THe service manager said, "Dont worry aboiut it until the Driver Information Center" tell you to change the oil." I got that message last week at 7800 miles on the original oil. Thats gonna cost me about $30 this afternoon cuz Im too lazy to do it myself for $12.

In short...my personal experience is that the Wrangler isnt a money-pit. Doesnt require excessive maintenance. It isnt a drive-and-forget vehicle where all you do is add fuel once a week. Others will likely invest far more time and effor than I have...most of which is likely to be optional. Some may spend far less time and money....some of which may be optional.

Consumer reports says the brand is average in terms of ownership costs.
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Old 05-16-2012, 08:23 AM   #36
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On one hand, I totally agree with you. It sucks, it's a neverending money pit.

But then, when you finish little projects and you're out driving and stuff, it's all worth it.

My girlfriend gets mad at me because I'm "never satisfied with my Jeep", but I always have to explain to her, thats kind of just how it goes with these rigs.
Too funny, my wife gives me $hit all the time.

For some reason I think needed repairs are just more noticeable on the Jeep than other vehicles. I bet that 05 Honda needed something fixed but since you can't see underneath it you forget about it.
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Too funny, my wife gives me $hit all the time.

For some reason I think needed repairs are just more noticeable on the Jeep than other vehicles. I bet that 05 Honda needed something fixed but since you can't see underneath it you forget about it.
Well, for one, I'm sure it needed a paint job. They come from the factory looking like a flannel shirt made out of recycled Rubbermade.
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Old 05-16-2012, 08:59 AM   #38
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Oh yea, one more thing that you might be interested in hearing. I sold my 2010 red with black stripes 6.2L V8 FUUUUUUlLLY loaded 2SS with RS package Camaro for my 2006 LJ Rubicon. Yea the payment is less, but i sure did lose money on the deal. Funny thing is, i didn't feel right in the Camaro even though it was a fantastic car (in whole). Now after a month of the Jeep and watching this forum, i love the Jeep and am very glad i did it. Additionally, one thing is for sure, after browsing the top forums of both Jeep and Camaro, Jeep people are quite simply more pleasant to be around.
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Old 05-16-2012, 09:17 AM   #39
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Old 05-16-2012, 10:21 AM   #40
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I have definitely had a positive experience so far on the forum. I'm a musician, and I certainly appreciate how much more friendly/less pretentious everyone has been toward me here (vs. guitar and bass communities), even though my first post made me seem very whiny.

I drove the Jeep to work today, and a bunch of my middle school students commented on how "swagg" it is. So, if nothing else, I have the approval of a large group of thirteen year olds.

Thanks for all the testimonials about repairs, resale value, etc. For a fourteen year old vehicle, my Wrangler appears to be going strong. Now it's a matter of determining which mods to do first.

New seats and mirrors for when I take the top off look to be at the top of the queue.

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Old 05-16-2012, 10:28 AM   #41
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Arent we all 13 years old?
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Old 05-19-2012, 08:50 AM   #42
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JEEP = Just Empty Every Pocket most of the changes aren't necessary......or are they!
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Old 05-19-2012, 09:01 AM   #43
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Regrets? Absolutely! I sold my 1990 Corvette Convertible, built with a 383 Stroker , pushing 506 RWHP to buy my 2003 TJ. I regret not doing it SOONER!!!
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Old 05-19-2012, 09:09 AM   #44
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Regrets? Absolutely! I sold my 1990 Corvette Convertible, built with a 383 Stroker , pushing 506 RWHP to buy my 2003 TJ. I regret not doing it SOONER!!!
WOW...That was a huge shift in vehicle types. lol
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One week with the top off and chicks staring at you will cure that initial regret. The fact that you sold your Honda Element and bought a Jeep damn near earns you back your man card...hahaa jk. Your initial repairs included skid plates??? A tidbit of advice, sell the old soft top and cover some of your costs (some of us aren't quite as concerned about condition and cleanliness). All in all I am joking with you. Enjoy your Jeep and welcome to the club!!!
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bought a 99 tj as a 3rd vehicle paid $5000 with 106000 miles and also had some regrets up to about $1500 in fixes most done by myself and when i drive it i love it even though i can feel the next thing breaking. when will that end? I guess when its all rebuilt
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bought a 99 tj as a 3rd vehicle paid $5000 with 106000 miles and also had some regrets up to about $1500 in fixes most done by myself and when i drive it i love it even though i can feel the next thing breaking. when will that end? I guess when its all rebuilt
Yea but by the time thats done, the parts you first installed start to break :-) its the Jeep Life Cycle. The Jeep makes you love it so much your willing to spend any amount of money to keep it around. Sounds like something else in my life....
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Old 05-20-2012, 03:44 AM   #48
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Yea but by the time thats done, the parts you first installed start to break :-) its the Jeep Life Cycle. The Jeep makes you love it so much your willing to spend any amount of money to keep it around. Sounds like something else in my life....
I completely agree, the jeep gives you a feeling you won't get with any other vehicle, I've spent more time, money, and made compromises to keep the jeep than I did to try and fix my relationship with the now b***h of my ex-gf an I regret nothing!
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Old 08-03-2012, 02:33 AM   #49
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My husband bought this Wrangler YJ and I at first didn't like the idea, but after giving me the keys to take a test drive, I never gave the keys back to him..lol After driving around in a Mini Van, this jeep is much more fun, and I do get compliments and jeep waves all the time. Loving this jeep more and more everyday. No regrets here
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Old 08-03-2012, 07:12 AM   #50
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Regrets? Absolutely! I sold my 1990 Corvette Convertible, built with a 383 Stroker , pushing 506 RWHP to buy my 2003 TJ. I regret not doing it SOONER!!!
Lol, that's quite a change!

I couldn't agree more though; I've wanted ajeep since I was an early teen, but always found an excuse not to buy one...then this Spring I was sifting through Autotrader looking at Jeeps, I had an epiphany: I'm 31 years old. I'm a grown-ass man. If I want to drive a Jeep there's no reason in the world not to! (An 04 Columbia Edition TJ was mine within a week). I freaking love having my Jeep, & haven't a regret or backward glance, though there are a few little niggling cosmetic things much like the OP I'd like to address.

I think those little cosmetic things are just the the things you do to make it yours. If you weren't passionate about owning it you wouldn't care enough to be bothered by the little things like that.
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Old 08-03-2012, 07:34 AM   #51
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Regrets? Absolutely! I sold my 1990 Corvette Convertible, built with a 383 Stroker , pushing 506 RWHP to buy my 2003 TJ. I regret not doing it SOONER!!!


Bumute, cool looking Jeep, you did good! Love the rims, but would get rid of the spacers, but that's imo, I don't like the wheels sticking out that far.

I found mine in a field where they left it to die, back window open so birds and whatnot crawled into the interior, but I still fell in love with it at first sight and I just had to have it...

Took me about 3 weeks to get it rolling, which included a rebuild cylinderhead. Right after I got it road legal again, added lift and tires and some other stuff...

Regrets.....?

Hell no, I now own a really good looking Wrangler, which was (re-)build by me
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Old 08-03-2012, 07:48 AM   #52
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The only regret, as someone said, is not converting to a Jeep sooner. You have the best of both worlds with more perks.

You can DD it... and play offroad whenever you want. sure.. maintenance and upkeep is a bit more of a priority with a dual purpose vehicle, but worth every penny. The more you learn the full capabilities of your Jeep, the further you will want to go to improve your driving abilities offroad... which leads to mods and emptying your pockets to get your Jeep where you feel it needs to be.

I went from a 2002 2500 series Avalanche with the 8.1 on 6" RCD lift and 35's to a bone stock 2004 X model Wrangler in April 2011. Now( just over a year later) its up on 4" lift, 1.25" BL, TT, 33's regeared to 4.56's, winch, lights, and many personal touches and with no end in sight. No regrets other than not getting a Rubicon to start with. I can easily see another 7-10k getting dumped into my Jeep in the future with no lost sleep over it... cuz when its FINALLY the way I want it, I will be able to sit back and go ANYWHERE I want and not worry about a thing. It will NEVER be done... they never are...
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Guys,
Regarding the wave, I am new to the whole Jeep (1 week of 1st Jeep ownership) thing so hoping to give you a 'virgin' perspective on it..

You gotta figure many (if not most) Jeep owners just buy it to drive and never get into the 'community/internet/club' side of thing..therefore have no clue on the 'wave' thing. I wouldn't know either except that my B-in-law has a Rubicon and told me 'make sure you wave'. (otherwise I'd be one of the 'suits in a JK unlimited'. Ok I said...so I do..So don't take it personally nor make it personal..

Now I will be a hypocrite on the waving issue...LOL..I spend lots and LOTS of miles on my Honda ST1300 Motorcycle (105k on an '05) I wave to all bikes but the 'tools' riding their 60 hp Hardley noisemakers, many don't because they actually go through a mental process of 'should I wave back becuase of what kind of bike the other guy is on...Just silly.
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I have regrets on buying mine. I've been around Jeeps my whole life and I love driving it, but it's not utilitarian enough most of the time. Some times I think I'd like to either trade it for, or sell it and buy, an XJ so I could haul shit.

I never did get into waving at other vehicles, even when I rode a Harley. I wave at people I know, that's about it.
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Pretty nice looking jeep Joe I like the color but I am biased. Well it is a big difference from going to a element to Jeep. Give it some time you find that it will grow on you.
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dont even worry about te seat, just get a cover. once you all done with other mods after you take it out and realize how awesome it is but you need more worry about that seat.
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Wranglers owners are probably much more willing to put up with the occasional repair them most other drivers. Something about the culture? It's all part of Jeep ownership. Personally I have spent more time on my TJ then any other car I have ever owned combined. Part is due to it being a older 16 year old car. I still enjoy my TJ as much or more then any car I have owned.

A older car is going to need more repairs on average. Honda is one of the most reliable brands on average. Jeeps are way on the other end of the scale so you will definitely be replacing or fixing something much more often then you did with your newer Element. You will probably be much more hands on with the Jeep. There are very common problems that almost every TJ owner will encounter if they own the car long enough.

The good news is parts are easily sourced and usually easy to repair. This forum is very good for finding solutions to problems. Form members are really friendly and willing to help. As others have said, the Jeep community is very unique. You will encounter people from all walks of life with the same common love for Jeeps. Very strong and loyal following which helps resale values.

Other enthusiasts cars like Vettes, 911s wave to each other also but not nearly as much as Wrangler owners. On average I probably get 1-2 Jeep waves a day, everyday in the TJ. Like many have said, it's a Jeep thing?

You will know if the Jeep lifestyle is for you after a year. I think you will enjoy the trip once the top is off!
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Old 08-05-2012, 08:08 PM   #59
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Relax you have a great looking jeep. In the best color. I am biased though.
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The OP hasn't posted since the middle of May, my bet is the jeep is gone.

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