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Old 08-12-2011, 12:06 PM   #1
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Jeep Shopping - Red Flags Galore, Possible Scam

So I was searching cars.com for wranglers for sale and came across a 2000 Wrangler with the following details.

Only available pic is attached to this message
Price: $4,009
Mileage: 68,882
Body Style: SUV
Exterior Color: Silver
Interior Color: Gray
Transmission: Automatic
Selling Points: 2 DOORS, AUTOMATIC, 4 CYL, 70 MILES, ORIGINAL 4X4 HIGH & LOW ENGINE & TRANSMISION, EXCELENT CONDITION, BRAND NEW TIRES, SOFT TOP, AM/FM CD PLAYER, ROLL OVER CAGE, SPEAKERS, BAR, CLEAN TITLE ON HAND

Seller can only be contacted by email. The email chain is below. Iíve completed a lot of internet shopping, but I have never used Google Checkout. Iíve contacted Google Checkout regarding the sellerís claims about using their service. Have you guys ever purchased a vehicle like this? If everything checks out and is legit, Iíd be willing to move forward.

There are many things that concern me. The price seems awfully low unless thereís something very wrong with the jeep. The seller even said that the price was $2,900 including delivery charge in her email. For someone seemingly so distraught about her husbands death, she offers details about it without me asking. Seems like a ploy to prey on sympathy. As complicated as she describes her life and using it as the reason to sell in this method, is this really the easiest way to sell the jeep?

Iíve asked for more pics, but I donít plan on offering any personal info until this proves to be legit. Some chance just arenít worth taking. If it seems too good to be true, then it usually is. This is looking too good to be true at the moment.

Thoughts, comments, suggestions? Thanks guys.

Aaron


Email chain of contact so far:

Hey,

I will make the deal only trough Google Checkout, because I am a member of the Google Checkout program and using this service you will get a 7 days testing period after delivery. During that 7 days testing period I will not be getting any money. If the vehicle is not like described, it will be shipped back on my expense and they will give you a full refund. This way you will be able to inspect the vehicle before committing to buy it and I know that you have the money and you are not just fooling around. If interested please include in your next email your contact info for shipping (name, address and #) so I can open a transaction with Google Checkout.


Thanks

From: me
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 7:35 AM
To: seller
Subject: Re: 2000 Jeep Wrangler for Sale

I would like to see the jeep. When would i be able to stop by and see it?


On 8/11/2011 2:11 PM, seller . wrote:

Hey,


I have a low price ( $ 2,900 including delivery to your home address ),
because I want to sell the car very quickly. My husband died 2 months ago
(he had a heart attack) and brings me bad memories and that's the reason I
want to sell it. I along with my daughter decided to sell the house and we
moved to my sister in Nebraska. Unfortunately I can't conclude this
transaction personally because my work involves a lot of travelling but I
left everything prepared for the sale. If you are really interested in
purchasing, please email me with your details (name and address) for the
shipping.


> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 23:08:08 -0700
> From: me

> To: seller
> Subject: 2000 Jeep Wrangler for Sale
>
> Is your jeep still for sale? I'd like more specifics on the vehicle
> type, specs, and condition. Curious about the low sale price for for
> low mileage and condition description. Where are you located?
>
> Aaron
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Old 08-12-2011, 12:10 PM   #2
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pretty sure it is a scam man. most of the time if it is too good to be true it is. uinless you can physically look at the jeep before you pay anything i would say no

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I would not buy it that way, seems to good to be true so it probly' is
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Old 08-12-2011, 12:12 PM   #4
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Old 08-12-2011, 12:17 PM   #5
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If someone can't complete the transaction personally, that's almost always a sure sign of a scam. Oh, and her work involves a lot of traveling...reminds me of one of those missionary scams on CL.
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EVERY listing that wants to ship the car is a scam.
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Old 08-12-2011, 12:49 PM   #9
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Scam.. Seen it before almost word for word...
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Old 08-12-2011, 01:03 PM   #10
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I say Milk it. Wrangler Forum could use an epic thread.

Tell them you're intersted... Give them the phone number and address of the local FBI office.

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HAHAHA I always like to mess with these guys and have them send me a check for shipping and all that and never cash it. I usually tell them I never got it so they have to send again, and I'll ask for overnight or same day whatever is most expensive. I have had them sent 4 times from one scammer. It makes my heart glad to cost them money.
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Next she is going to tell you her husband was the ambassador for some country in Africa and she wants to give you 10 million in cash.
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you never know...local woman's boyfriend died of a heart attack, they were in their 50's and he left everything to her and some to a son that didn't care much. I bought the ENTIRE contents of a 2 story house for $1500 and yardsaled it right there-took home all the furniture, tv's, freezer, etc. that my family needed. Found out the week before I got there, she had sold a 99 cherokee, for $400 that was in excellent shape. She just wanted to get everything cleared out so they could sell the house.
So...I'd say pursue it and find out if it's legit (like, get the VIN number and do a CarFax on it-see if the name matches, etc.) and if there is any way to go and see it-do that!
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scam, scam, scam, and scam. 100%
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She has very bad english.
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I have this lottery ticket that I can't cash.....
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I had a VERY similar experience yesterday when I contacted a woman about her 1999 wrangler on Craigslist. The Jeep was only $1800 (shipping included) and the email she sent me regarding it was the following:

Hi,

My name is Jessica Genton and the car is still for sale. 1999 Jeep Wrangler TJ Manual is in perfect working condition.
This car's engine runs very, very smooth. No electrical or mechanical problems on this beauty. This detailed car makes the exterior looks like it just came off the assembly line. The car has 137,000 miles.It comes loaded with BOSE stereo with 6 disc CD player, tow pckg, fog lights, step rails, onstar capable, and so much more. The transmission in this vehicle shifts very smoothly. There is still plenty of tread left on the tires.

The price for the car is $1,800 with shipping included. I'm selling the car at this price because I can't enjoy it due to my job (I work as a casino dealer on a cruise ship) and I left the car in Charlotte, North Carolina at the shipping company ( DAS Auto Shippers). I'm a single woman and I have nobody close who can use it.

If you are really interested and want to buy it i only need your FULL NAME and FULL ADDRESS so I can make the shipping reservation on your name and address.Hope to hear from you soon.

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↑ You never know who they could be though & with your address someone could pay you a not so welcome visit
They could also look me up in the USPS records... If they are really going to fly here from Nigeria I say Bring IT!

Although I never have I guess you could just give them a random PO BOX...
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OMG I Googled seller's original email (THE WHOLE THING) and this came back!!!

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This kind of crap has ruined Craigslist. If you can't meet someone to look at it, it's not real. 99% of the 4 wheelers on there are bogus. If it's priced low enough to sell anywhere then don't believe the B.S. about "I moved" or "I travel".
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SCAM EMAIL that you will show up with cash and I'm willing to bet he won't meet you.
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This is definitely a scam. Been there while looking for my Jeep. In mine they wanted to use E-Bay to do the transaction through. My bet is they are out of town and want to ship the vehicle. Keep looking.
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I had a friend looking at the same kind of deal. (04 ruby for 5500) And ended up getting a virus on his computer and phone
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Holy crap!!!

Buy it now!!! Send her you name, address, social security number, a copy of your drivers license and credit card.

Hurry before someone else gets it
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If you notice most all of these scams are listed by a "woman". It seems scammers think the masses will be fooled more by thinking a woman doesn't know what she has. I had one that I offered to meet her in her town at their local police dept and pay the shipping cost even though I was going to pick it up in person. "She" never replied....
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Too good to be true. You may get a hot wheel in the mail instead.....Once you send your money, its gone. and for that little amount the Police and DAs are not going to chase a criminal who is probably not even in the US. Crooks from European countries have been doing this kinda scams a lot lately because they know no one will come to Europe to look for them. If you send your money, it's gone, forever....
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Ran across a similar scam when i was looking for my Jeep. It was a girl in the military ready to ship out to Afghanistan and couldn't show me the jeep because she was in training before being deployed. I steered clear.
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OMG I Googled seller's original email (THE WHOLE THING) and this came back!!!

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Maybe her Dear Departed Late Husband was a car collector and that is the only English she knows? (LOL)

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