JKS Has Me Bummed Out!! - Jeep Wrangler Forum
Jeep Wrangler Forum

Go Back   Jeep Wrangler Forum > TJ Jeep Wrangler Forum > TJ General Discussion Forum

Join Wrangler Forum Today


Reply
 
Thread Tools

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on WranglerForum.com
Old 04-18-2011, 08:10 PM   #1
Jeeper
 
Tjae's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 67
JKS Has Me Bummed Out!!

Anyone else waiting for the brown truck to deliver back-ordered JKS parts??

I ordered an Ultimate Kit from DPG on 4.4.11, and have the springs & shocks installed, as my baby is waiting patiently in the garage for the track bars, and disco's to arrive.

Unfortunately, all I can do is sit, stare, and wish I could test out the new suspension, and get it aligned. I'm dying to drive it!

Being told they should ship in the next day or two, which means I won't have them for this weekend to install.

I thought I would be OK ordering first of the month, since I wanted to have the lift installed for a late April Turkey tag. Now, I'm gonna be rushed to get it ready.

Tjae is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-18-2011, 08:19 PM   #2
Nerf gun assassin

WF Supporting Member
::WF Administrator::
 
distortedtj's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: yep right there.
Posts: 21,298
Send a message via Yahoo to distortedtj
Happens from time to time. Every company has ups and downs with productions as people will buy a lot at once and then they could only receive two orders the next month. Demand for some parts are just too hard to judge.

The Tracbars install very easy and shouldn't take you more than a couple of hours to do both and the links and have them set.

distortedtj is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-18-2011, 08:30 PM   #3
Jeeper
 
Ageless Stranger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 26,792
Quote:
Originally Posted by distortedtj View Post
Happens from time to time. Every company has ups and downs with productions as people will buy a lot at once and then they could only receive two orders the next month. Demand for some parts are just too hard to judge.

The Tracbars install very easy and shouldn't take you more than a couple of hours to do both and the links and have them set.
Yup.
Ageless Stranger is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-18-2011, 08:34 PM   #4
Jeeper
 
UnlimitedLJ04's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 7,340
i'd suggest cancelling the orders on the front and rear track bars.

the front will hit the tie-rod and/or diff cover with less than 2-2.5" bumpstop extension. and the rear is going to bind on the stock bracket at full droop.

i've got both track bars. and went back and forth with JKS for a long time about the front hitting the diff cover.

best thing you can do for a 2.5" lift is use the stock track bar in front and the relocation bracket in the rear. reinforce the front axle side mount by welding some plate on, drill a new hole and you're golden. in the rear, weld the relocation bracket on and reinforce the stock mount a bit, and you're golden. if you use an adjustable in the front you're opening a huge can of worms.

JKS's disco's rock tho.
UnlimitedLJ04 is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-18-2011, 08:35 PM   #5
Jeeper
 
Tjae's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 67
Quote:
Originally Posted by distortedtj View Post
Happens from time to time. Every company has ups and downs with productions as people will buy a lot at once and then they could only receive two orders the next month. Demand for some parts are just too hard to judge.

The Tracbars install very easy and shouldn't take you more than a couple of hours to do both and the links and have them set.
Maybe this is a sign that the recession is easing, because JKS is seeing unexpected high volumes of orders lately.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bagging on JKS, just bummed it's taking so long.

I've been wanting this lift for 2 years, and I'm so close, I can taste it! lol
Tjae is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-18-2011, 08:45 PM   #6
Jeeper
 
Tjae's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 67
Quote:
Originally Posted by UnlimitedLJ04 View Post
i'd suggest cancelling the orders on the front and rear track bars.

the front will hit the tie-rod and/or diff cover with less than 2-2.5" bumpstop extension. and the rear is going to bind on the stock bracket at full droop.

i've got both track bars. and went back and forth with JKS for a long time about the front hitting the diff cover.

best thing you can do for a 2.5" lift is use the stock track bar in front and the relocation bracket in the rear. reinforce the front axle side mount by welding some plate on, drill a new hole and you're golden. in the rear, weld the relocation bracket on and reinforce the stock mount a bit, and you're golden. if you use an adjustable in the front you're opening a huge can of worms.

JKS's disco's rock tho.
Thanks for the reply Unlimited.

I have to tell you that I read your whole tech build / write up, and have to say, it was very impressive!

I asked specifically, due to your posts, if I will have this problem with the front track bar, and I was told that JKS quietly made corrections to their front track bar a year or two ago, so I shouldn't have any issues. I hope that's the case.

Nice rig BTW!
Tjae is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-18-2011, 08:53 PM   #7
Jeeper
 
umphreysfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Appleton, Wisconsin
Posts: 64
Quote:
Originally Posted by UnlimitedLJ04 View Post
the front will hit the tie-rod and/or diff cover with less than 2-2.5" bumpstop extension.


.
So if you have this amount of bumpstop, will it not happen? Is it not desirable to have more than this much bumpstop when running 33in. tires?
I will chase you all over this forum if I have to, to get the complete answer of what you have only eluded to in other threads.

So please, elaborate further.
umphreysfan is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-18-2011, 09:06 PM   #8
Jeeper
 
UnlimitedLJ04's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 7,340
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tjae View Post
I asked specifically, due to your posts, if I will have this problem with the front track bar, and I was told that JKS quietly made corrections to their front track bar a year or two ago, so I shouldn't have any issues. I hope that's the case.

Nice rig BTW!
no, whoever told you that is wrong. the new front bar hits the tie-rod, but clears most diff covers (except the solid). i've had two of their prototype front track bars on my rig.

the one you're getting requires a minimum of 1-3/8" bumpstop extension if used with a V8 ZJ tie-rod.


with a straight tie-rod, like the stock one...it still requires 2".

btw, hitting the tie-rod is much worse than hitting the diff cover.
UnlimitedLJ04 is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-18-2011, 10:06 PM   #9
Jeeper
 
jwm1986's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Evansville, IN
Posts: 1,024
I have the JKS track bars on mine and it doesn't touch a thing. Not saying they are all like this, but just my experience. I have a 3" spring, and a 1" longer bump stop, stock tie rod.
__________________
2000 Jeep Wrangler Sport
4.0L / 5spd
jwm1986 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-18-2011, 10:16 PM   #10
Jeeper
 
Tjae's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 67
Quote:
Originally Posted by jwm1986 View Post
I have the JKS track bars on mine and it doesn't touch a thing. Not saying they are all like this, but just my experience. I have a 3" spring, and a 1" longer bump stop, stock tie rod.
Thanks jwm1986. I was told I shouldn't have any rubbing issues, and I'm hopeful that's the case. I've been nervous since reading through Unlimited's build thread a while back.

Anyone else have a JKS front track bar with clearance issues??
Tjae is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-18-2011, 10:24 PM   #11
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 351
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tjae View Post
Anyone else have a JKS front track bar with clearance issues??
I have the JKS TB. I use to have a 2.5" lift. I got so frustrated at trying to fix the clearance issues; and was not liking the idea of the BS extensions, I went to a 4" lift.
00silverTJ is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-18-2011, 10:31 PM   #12
Jeeper
 
Tjae's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 67
Quote:
Originally Posted by 00silverTJ View Post
I have the JKS TB. I use to have a 2.5" lift. I got so frustrated at trying to fix the clearance issues; and was not liking the idea of the BS extensions, I went to a 4" lift.
If you don't mind me asking, what size bump stop extensions were needed to correct the clearance issues?

Thanks.
Tjae is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-18-2011, 10:36 PM   #13
Jeeper
 
nick50471's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Bushwood Country Club
Posts: 13,902
2"

The bumpstops are also to keep your shocks from bottoming out.
__________________
License to kill gophers by the government of the United Nations. Man, free to kill gophers at will. To kill, you must know your enemy, and in this case my enemy is a varmint. And a varmint will never quit - ever. They're like the Viet Cong - Varmint Cong. So you have to fall back on superior intelligence and superior firepower. And that's all she wrote.
nick50471 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-18-2011, 10:45 PM   #14
Jeeper
 
Tjae's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 67
Quote:
Originally Posted by nick50471 View Post
2"

The bumpstops are also to keep your shocks from bottoming out.
I checked out your jeep profile (Nice Jeep!), and it looked like you had the 1" BS installed. Have you had clearance issues too? How do you like your OME setup?
Tjae is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-18-2011, 10:49 PM   #15
Jeeper
 
nick50471's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Bushwood Country Club
Posts: 13,902
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tjae

I checked out your jeep profile (Nice Jeep!), and it looked like you had the 1" BS installed. Have you had clearance issues too? How do you like your OME setup?
I have 2" bumpstops front and rear. Front bumpstops are mounted on the bottom.

I have not noticed any but have not ran mine to full droop.

The OME springs and shocks ride like a dream. I swapped out a 4" RC lift. Thank god.
__________________
License to kill gophers by the government of the United Nations. Man, free to kill gophers at will. To kill, you must know your enemy, and in this case my enemy is a varmint. And a varmint will never quit - ever. They're like the Viet Cong - Varmint Cong. So you have to fall back on superior intelligence and superior firepower. And that's all she wrote.
nick50471 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-19-2011, 05:48 AM   #16
Jeeper
 
99sport4.0's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: nj
Posts: 51
i orderd my kit mid march and got the jks stuff and didnt get the ome stuff. ive been waiting patiently
99sport4.0 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-19-2011, 07:29 AM   #17
Jeeper
 
Tjae's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 67
Quote:
Originally Posted by 99sport4.0
i orderd my kit mid march and got the jks stuff and didnt get the ome stuff. ive been waiting patiently
Wow! Which springs and shocks did you order? I got the HD TJ Springs, and Nitro Sport long travel.

I guess since RE is reorganizing, OME is picking up some overflow.
Tjae is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-19-2011, 07:35 AM   #18
Jeeper
 
Beer30's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: SW Ohio
Posts: 252
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tjae View Post
Anyone else have a JKS front track bar with clearance issues??
Yes... I have the same kit you're getting from DPG, including JKS front and rear track bars. I've never had a clearance issue.

I thought the whole point of an adjustable rear track bar is to avoid having to use a relocation bracket?

In any case, knock on wood, I've had no problems whatsoever. It's a great setup.
Beer30 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-19-2011, 07:58 AM   #19
Jeeper
 
UnlimitedLJ04's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 7,340
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tjae View Post
Anyone else have a JKS front track bar with clearance issues??
not anymore after installing a V8 ZJ tie-rod, 1-3/8" bumpstop & highly modified diff cover.



^^notice how close that track bar is to the tie-rod? yea, that will hit a straight tie-rod. The ZJ V8 tie-rod bends down about 1" or so. Thats why this clears with 1-3/8" bumpstop extension. It requires 2" to clear a straight tie-rod, like stock.




^^^see the scuff marks in the center of the tie-rod? yea, thats from the track bar rubbing it before I got the bumpstops dialed in.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Beer30 View Post
Yes... I have the same kit you're getting from DPG, including JKS front and rear track bars. I've never had a clearance issue.
then your suspension hasn't seen full compression like the above pictures. or you don't recognize the issues.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Beer30 View Post
I thought the whole point of an adjustable rear track bar is to avoid having to use a relocation bracket?
one would think so, but you can't use an adjustable rear bar without causing binding issues on the stock bracket, even with as little as 2.5" of lift.

the exact setup you guys have, with JKS adjustable rear bar & OME N67 shocks:


RE track bar:


which causes stuff like this:


but if you don't reinforce a relocation bracket, you can get this:


aside from replacing the whole damn bracket with a 1/4" new bracket, here's the way to do it:


Quote:
Originally Posted by Beer30 View Post
In any case, knock on wood, I've had no problems whatsoever. It's a great setup.
don't get me wrong, I love my OME springs & shocks. I'm just trying to point out the issues you're going to have so you're aware and can fix them, or avoid them all together. these problems arise when you combine aftermarket parts that are supposed to work but don't because those companies haven't done their R&D.

and OME isn't perfect either...they include 20mm rear bumpstop extensions, but that isn't enough. you actually need 1.25" rear bumpstop extension to prevent the rear relocation bracket from hitting the underside of the tub, and prevent the shocks from bottoming out.
UnlimitedLJ04 is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-19-2011, 09:03 AM   #20
Jeeper
 
nick50471's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Bushwood Country Club
Posts: 13,902
UnlimitedLJ04 correct me if I am mistaken. I installed 2" bumpstops to the lower on the front. The bumpstops will keep my long travel shocks from bottoming out and keep my spring from full compression. My 33x12.5x15 tires just touch my fender flares with a 2" bumpstop. I would not want to compress anymore. If I trimmed my flares and took out an inch of bumpstop then I would have a problem with the JKS track bar hitting the tie rod or diff cover.

I have not checked the full droop on the rear to see what you are talking about. I will as soon as it stops snowing.
__________________
License to kill gophers by the government of the United Nations. Man, free to kill gophers at will. To kill, you must know your enemy, and in this case my enemy is a varmint. And a varmint will never quit - ever. They're like the Viet Cong - Varmint Cong. So you have to fall back on superior intelligence and superior firepower. And that's all she wrote.
nick50471 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-19-2011, 09:14 AM   #21
Jeeper
 
Tjae's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 67
Unlimited,

Wouldn't a stock rear track bar have the same issue with the full droop bracket interference? It's not limited to the JKS adjustable one is it?

I bought the rear track bar, because I didn't like relocation bracket add-on.
Tjae is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-19-2011, 10:11 AM   #22
Jeeper
 
UnlimitedLJ04's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 7,340
Quote:
Originally Posted by nick50471 View Post
UnlimitedLJ04 correct me if I am mistaken. I installed 2" bumpstops to the lower on the front. The bumpstops will keep my long travel shocks from bottoming out and keep my spring from full compression. My 33x12.5x15 tires just touch my fender flares with a 2" bumpstop. I would not want to compress anymore. If I trimmed my flares and took out an inch of bumpstop then I would have a problem with the JKS track bar hitting the tie rod or diff cover.

I have not checked the full droop on the rear to see what you are talking about. I will as soon as it stops snowing.
Good job on 2" bumpstop extension in the front lower. Thats the correct place to put it, and the correct length for N66L front shocks.

And yes, 2" bumpstop with a 1" BL should leave about 1" more space for compressing 33s at flex. And yes, if you took 1" off the bumpstop you'll have issues with the JKS bar hitting the stock diff cover, or tie-rod, depending what model/generation you have. The setup you have now with long travel shocks, 33s, and 2" front bumpstop extension is a nice, well working setup....only downside is you sacrifice 1" of uptravel vs N66 shocks, and gain little uptravel vs stock...but you gain a lot of downtravel for flexing.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tjae View Post
Unlimited,

Wouldn't a stock rear track bar have the same issue with the full droop bracket interference? It's not limited to the JKS adjustable one is it?

I bought the rear track bar, because I didn't like relocation bracket add-on.
yes the stock bar will have the same interference issue without the relocation bracket. the reason use you the relocation bracket is to avoid this problem and to center the axle - serves 2 purposes. using the rear adjustable only fixes the centering the axle part, but you still get bracket bind without the relocation bracket.

basically, for 2.5" of lift, theres no reason to buy an adjustable rear if the bracket hits two birds with one stone. waste of $200 for 2.5" of lift...but when you go to a CV shaft and/or 4", you need both.

Best solution is cut the stock bracket off and weld something better in its place...but its a crapload of work & not for everyone. It's a great reason to learn to weld & use a grinder. mudb8's done some nice write ups on fixing it DIY style...i think one of his DIY brackets was made from a piece of an Oldsmobile car frame or something.
UnlimitedLJ04 is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-19-2011, 11:24 AM   #23
Jeeper
 
Beer30's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: SW Ohio
Posts: 252
Unlimited-

Thanks for the info and insight.... something I'll definitely be looking into.
Beer30 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-19-2011, 11:25 AM   #24
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 688
Very informative read.

C.
jp'rs_peep'rs is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-19-2011, 07:39 PM   #25
Jeeper
 
Tjae's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 67
Just got word from Dirk that the JKS shipped. Tracking # says it will be here on Friday!!!
Tjae is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-19-2011, 08:17 PM   #26
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 42
Well this pretty much sucks. I've waited a long time to order the "Ultimate" Kit as I assumed it was the "right" way to do it. Ordered it yesterday and now read all this. I truly thought I'd ordered a kit that would drop in and be "right" w/out follow-up crap to deal with.
lyons38 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-19-2011, 08:21 PM   #27
Jeeper
 
nick50471's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Bushwood Country Club
Posts: 13,902
Quote:
Originally Posted by lyons38 View Post
Well this pretty much sucks. I've waited a long time to order the "Ultimate" Kit as I assumed it was the "right" way to do it. Ordered it yesterday and now read all this. I truly thought I'd ordered a kit that would drop in and be "right" w/out follow-up crap to deal with.
You ordered the correct stuff and you have nothing to worry about.
__________________
License to kill gophers by the government of the United Nations. Man, free to kill gophers at will. To kill, you must know your enemy, and in this case my enemy is a varmint. And a varmint will never quit - ever. They're like the Viet Cong - Varmint Cong. So you have to fall back on superior intelligence and superior firepower. And that's all she wrote.
nick50471 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-19-2011, 08:31 PM   #28
Jeeper
 
Tjae's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 67
Quote:
Originally Posted by lyons38 View Post
Well this pretty much sucks. I've waited a long time to order the "Ultimate" Kit as I assumed it was the "right" way to do it. Ordered it yesterday and now read all this. I truly thought I'd ordered a kit that would drop in and be "right" w/out follow-up crap to deal with.
Lyons38, I don't think you have anything to worry about. I think this has been making a mountain out of a mole hill. The kit comes with 2" of front bump stops, which you will be using, and you won't be having a front track bar issue that Unlimited was talking about. I don't know why you would run with less bump stop in the first place.

I'm not worried about the rear track bar mount. I think most people here will agree that the adjustable track bar is far better than the bracket. I eventually want lower control arms, and I believe the adjustable TB is necessary for this anyway.

I think the TB issue here is blown a little out of proportion IMHO.
Tjae is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-19-2011, 08:31 PM   #29
Jeeper
 
UnlimitedLJ04's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 7,340
Quote:
Originally Posted by lyons38 View Post
Well this pretty much sucks. I've waited a long time to order the "Ultimate" Kit as I assumed it was the "right" way to do it. Ordered it yesterday and now read all this. I truly thought I'd ordered a kit that would drop in and be "right" w/out follow-up crap to deal with.
set your bumpstops correctly and you won't have any problems.
UnlimitedLJ04 is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-19-2011, 09:14 PM   #30
Jeeper
 
Tjae's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 67
Unlimited, what is your overall opinion on your OME springs & shocks?

Like I said before, I read your build thread, and asked specifically to Dirk if the front track bar would be an issue, and I was assured that it would not. I did lots of research before my purchase, and I'm afraid others whom have done the same, may come away from this thread a little confused.

Tjae

Tjae is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Jeep Wrangler Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Really bummed...cracked head? rospan TJ General Discussion Forum 5 04-03-2011 10:58 AM
Really bummed... seadog JK General Discussion Forum 7 02-07-2011 10:15 AM
Bummed about KM2's Ray - San Jose Tires & Wheels 47 06-23-2010 11:50 PM
Really bummed out ,Jeeps dead for awhile w8tlftr TJ General Discussion Forum 9 05-28-2010 11:50 AM



» Featured Product

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:25 PM.



Jeep®, Wrangler, Liberty, Wagoneer, Cherokee, and Grand Cherokee are copyrighted and trademarked to Chrysler Motors LLC.
Wranglerforum.com is not in any way associated with the Chrysler Motors LLC