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Old 02-08-2013, 10:08 PM   #1
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Just a newbie looking for help deciding what to do. And yes, 35" tires.

A little about myself, to let you know where I’m at. I’m 22, from Wisconsin, but currently in Kings Bay, Georgia, on the naval base. I’ll be staying here for another 4 months, then either staying for another 5 years, or transferring to Washington for 5 years, dunno just yet. I’m interested in doing some work on my Jeep, because I have the time, the money, and people to help me with the work. I know some things about working on motorcycles, but not Jeeps. So instead of paying extra to have someone else do the work, I have friends to show me what to do. I’ve been lurking the forums for the past two weeks, and I’ve gotten as much information as I think I can without asking, so it’s time. Tomorrow I’m purchasing my Jeep from my father, and I’m interested in doing some work to it. It’s a completely stock, 2005 Unlimited. 4.0 L, 6 speed manual with 90,000 miles, a lot of which were mine anyway.

So, here’s what I’d like to do with it. First, I’d like bigger wheels, as I’m sure a lot of people do. I’ve got the stock 30” on it, and I’d like at least 33”, but I’m really leaning toward the 35” based on the following picture.



All I got from the description is the following:
3" rusty's springs up front
2" spacers rear
JKS 1-1/4" body lift
35/12.5/15's on home painted ravines with 1-1/4" spacers

Anyway… those 35” tires look PERFECT to me, so I know I might have to settle for 33s, but I’d prefer the 35s. My question is, how do I do it? I’ve been doing research on suspension lifts, body lifts, and what extra work comes with them. It seems like I’ll need 4” of lift at least to get them to work, but I know that’ll require extra work to the brake lines, a yoke slip, and a few other things. What about, say, a 2.5”-3.0” lift? I know that probably won’t give the tires enough room, but can I do that much of a lift without having to worry about anything extra? Next, body lift. I’m under the impression that body lifts don’t affect the brakes, and won’t require a yoke slip (not quite sure what that is, but I’ll learn). If that’s true, can I do a 2.5” suspension lift with a 1” body lift and have enough room for the tires? Last, what’s the real issue anyway? Clearance? Could I just use some flat style flares for the extra tire clearance?

The other questions I have with the 35” tires are what other problems will they cause? I should mention at this point that I’m looking at the BFG all terrain tires, or any other all terrain tire, I suppose. It’ll primarily be a daily commuting Jeep, but I’d like to get into some off roading. Nothing too extreme like rock crawling, but maybe someday. I can’t really say what I want, because I’ve never done it before. All I can say is I want it to be able to do what a stock Jeep can, but a little more, and a little better. Back to the 35” issue, what other problems can a 35” tire cause, and how do I fix them? Like I said, it’s a completely stock 2005 Unlimited 6 speed manual. Will I need to change the gear ratio, and what will it fix? I think the speedometer, and power distribution. Is there anything else I can do to fix these problems?

I think that’s about all I know, or at least think I know. So my big questions are these:
-How much lift, between a suspension lift, body lift, and fenders do I need to fit 35” tires?
-How much of a suspension lift can I do before I need to do more of the “extras”, like gearing and a yoke slip, break lines, and other things, that a newbie such as myself wouldn’t consider?
-What are all of the problems that 35” tires, regardless of lift, can cause me, and how do I fix them?
-Can I do all of this on a budget of about $3500?

I have read up on things like tires, lifts, and all that jazz. So far I have no preference in rims, just what looks good, fits, and I can afford. Though the tires are kinda a big deal, decent quality all terrain tires are what I want, probably BFG. But for the lift kit, it seems I get the following:
Old Man Emu seems pretty popular, at least with the shocks.
Rubicon Express used to be good, but now maybe not.
Teraflex should probably be okay.
Rock Krawler may be good, but a little pricey.

I’m all ears for some constructive criticism, and any ideas anyone has. I see the phrase “you can do it, or you can do it right” used a lot here. If I can’t do what I want for the price I want with the quality I want, I’ll wait until I can afford it. But I’d like to do it now. Thanks to anyone who replies.

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Ok so just to give u an idea on the lift part I rode with a guy back in december that had an lj with 2.5 suspension lift and had highlined his fenders and was running 37s and it looked and performed rediculously, it was amazing, granted he also had a currie dana 60 in the rear and a lot of other stuff that had had done for performance issues but like I said he has 2.5 suspension lift and highlined his fenders and had plenty of clearence. But ik that doesn't answer all ur questions just wanted to put that up, o and if u want some pics of his let me know and ill try to dig some up.

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I don't think I'd like 37s, but that's great to know that I don't necessarily need 4" of suspesion lift to make 35s work. If you've got pics that would be nice, but don't worry about it if you don't. Do you know what his lift was?
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Ok ill get some tommorow I'm on my phone right now and they are on my computer, and yea 37s would cost a lot more to do right, I just wanted to let u know for reference on ur 35s, and no I honestly don't know what lift he had
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Whenever you find them is fine. And it does help to know that the tires I want should fit fine, and perform well enough without a crazy amount of work. Thanks.
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His build has a ton of fab, but a LCG build is definitely doable without so much sawzall and welding. Check out metalcloak fenders and dig through his thread to get another approach.
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Will do, thanks.
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Read the following thread. This will give you an idea of what is required to run 35s. Expect to spend thousands of dollars to properly run those tires.

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I saw that thread a while back, the thing I didn't like about it is it goes into a lot of detail on the 4"+ lift, but not a lot for the other method.
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There are ways around the 4 inch suspension lift, such as running metalcloak tube fenders. There is more involved than just buying 35" tires. When I bought my TJ, it had a 4 inch SL and 33" tires already on it. Of course I wheeled it and wanted 35's. It cost me about $2000 more to get my rig ready for 35" tires. Steering upgrade, brake upgrades, axle and regear upgrades. I did all these so I wouldn't spend money twice when I broke my stock stuff. If you have a d35 rear, you definitely need to upgrade. Another point to ponder, I bought aluminum rims to help shave weight off the tires.
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I feel the same way, do it right the first time so I don't have to pay for it twice, and whatever damage is done by breaking down. If we forgot about the 35" tires, would using a 2.5" suspension lift and a 1.5" body lift require any extras like a SYE, drive shaft, and break lines?

Then if I can do all of that, will that setup handle 35" tires? I might need to add a speedometer gear and different fenders, which is fine. I already know this Jeep will be mostly for daily driving, trails and maybe some light rock crawling. If that doesn't warrant a 4" suspension lift, I won't do it, so I'll try to find another way to safely fit 35" tires on it.
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There are ways around the 4 inch suspension lift, such as running metalcloak tube fenders. There is more involved than just buying 35" tires. When I bought my TJ, it had a 4 inch SL and 33" tires already on it. Of course I wheeled it and wanted 35's. It cost me about $2000 more to get my rig ready for 35" tires. Steering upgrade, brake upgrades, axle and regear upgrades. I did all these so I wouldn't spend money twice when I broke my stock stuff. If you have a d35 rear, you definitely need to upgrade. Another point to ponder, I bought aluminum rims to help shave weight off the tires.
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The D44 is the good one, right?
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The D44 is the good one, right?
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Excellent.

I just got back from picking it up, haven't seen it in 9 months, and now it's all mine. Just gotta decide what to do with it...
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Okay, I’ve done some more looking. I’m still hoping on going with the 35”s, but I want to do the 33”s at least.

So the first thing I found was a new idea for a lift. It seems that Zone Offroad is a decent lift at a great price. Most reviews are telling me that it’s a great lift kit for a beginner interested in trails and mild rock crawling and mild mudding. Again, this Jeep is my daily driver, but on weekends I’d like to have a little fun. So I can get a 4” suspension lift and a 1.25” body lift for under $700. At first I was a little wary on the quality for that price, but the reviews are pretty good. Not sure if there’s a rule against posting links, so here goes…
http://zoneoffroad.com/product?ki=36&gr=-1#no_op
Any input on the quality of this lift, and what else is missing that I might wanna add? There’s a bunch of stuff in that link under “accessories”, what else is necessary for this kit?

Then I was looking into the whole yoke slip and drive shaft thing. I found on this thread: Stock TJ Specifications - JeepForum.com
NV231 Command-Trac - 1997-2006
* Used on all TJs except Rubicon models
* 2.72:1 Low range
* Slip yoke
* Gear driven speedometer signal


And on this one: http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f9/what-cv-shaft-why-do-i-want-one-854790/
- A 4" lifted NV231J LJ will likely NOT require a SYE. Slight vibes may start at 4-4.5" - pay close attention!! 4-4.5" of lift is about the max you can get out the LJ's single cardan driveshaft without experiencing some vibes. You can most likely do a small transfer case drop (stack washers) to eliminate the vibes, or install a Double Cardan Shaft (SYE for NV231J and Flange style for NV241J)

So, I probably don’t need an SYE, but if I were to get one, what should I look for? And what about the drive shaft? That’s one thing I haven’t found yet.
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Gonna try just once more for a little more input...
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I've read good reviews on the zone but have no personal experience with it as far as needing a sye or not, for the lj I'm not sure ik my tj has a 4in sl and I can occasionally feel vibes but not always, and if u do the sye u have to get a different driveshaft cuz the ends are different if u have a the stock tcase or if u have a sye installed
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I had the Zone 4in lift installed a few weeks back and have pictures of before and after on here. It had a 2.5in budget boost in front and a 2in suspension lift in the rear and had enough clearance for my 33in BFG ATs. With the Zone 4in lift installed I know I have more than 4 inches of lift currently and have plenty of room for 35s as I plan to go that route after summer. That being said, the supplied transfer case drop is not enough to eliminate vibes as I have them in 2nd and 5th gears now. With extra weight in the tub (ie. my kids and spare on carrier) it eliminates some of the vibes but they are still there. Mind you mine is a DD so I feel it every day. That being said, I personally think an SYE and CV shaft with adjustable upper control arms are needed and plan on doing that next. Also, I have the 3.73 gears, 5spd tranny, and Dana 44 rear which is fine right now with 33s. That being said, the consensus from the wealth of knowledge here is that 4.56 or 4.88 gears are best for 35s. All this being said, I would personally hold off on upgrading tires and such until you find out if you are heading to the left coast as it seems work and parts are cheaper and in more abundance over there. I did not need extended brake lines for my 4in lift so that saved some money. Also, I have an 01 TJ Sahara so not sure if this makes any of it obsolete for you as I am not too familiar with LJ models. Regardless, pack away some of that deployment money from your cruises and make her the way you want her the first time! Have fun and stay safe.
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I've read good reviews on the zone but have no personal experience with it as far as needing a sye or not, for the lj I'm not sure ik my tj has a 4in sl and I can occasionally feel vibes but not always, and if u do the sye u have to get a different driveshaft cuz the ends are different if u have a the stock tcase or if u have a sye installed
I'm thinking I'll probably just get the sye to be safe.

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I had the Zone 4in lift installed a few weeks back and have pictures of before and after on here. It had a 2.5in budget boost in front and a 2in suspension lift in the rear and had enough clearance for my 33in BFG ATs. With the Zone 4in lift installed I know I have more than 4 inches of lift currently and have plenty of room for 35s as I plan to go that route after summer. That being said, the supplied transfer case drop is not enough to eliminate vibes as I have them in 2nd and 5th gears now. With extra weight in the tub (ie. my kids and spare on carrier) it eliminates some of the vibes but they are still there. Mind you mine is a DD so I feel it every day. That being said, I personally think an SYE and CV shaft with adjustable upper control arms are needed and plan on doing that next. Also, I have the 3.73 gears, 5spd tranny, and Dana 44 rear which is fine right now with 33s. That being said, the consensus from the wealth of knowledge here is that 4.56 or 4.88 gears are best for 35s. All this being said, I would personally hold off on upgrading tires and such until you find out if you are heading to the left coast as it seems work and parts are cheaper and in more abundance over there. I did not need extended brake lines for my 4in lift so that saved some money. Also, I have an 01 TJ Sahara so not sure if this makes any of it obsolete for you as I am not too familiar with LJ models. Regardless, pack away some of that deployment money from your cruises and make her the way you want her the first time! Have fun and stay safe.
So you're happy with the Zone 4" lift? I'm not going to be doing anything too serious just yet, so I don't need the best system. And, maybe you don't need bodylift to fit 35s?

I dunno. I want to do it right the first time, so I'm pretty much set on that lift. It's just the dang tires! I'm probaly staying on the east coast, and I'd like to have it while I finish up my classes here, so I can have fun before I get on my boat. Sigh... so much to consider.
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I'm thinking I'll probably just get the sye to be safe.

So you're happy with the Zone 4" lift? I'm not going to be doing anything too serious just yet, so I don't need the best system. And, maybe you don't need bodylift to fit 35s?

I dunno. I want to do it right the first time, so I'm pretty much set on that lift. It's just the dang tires! I'm probaly staying on the east coast, and I'd like to have it while I finish up my classes here, so I can have fun before I get on my boat. Sigh... so much to consider.
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Zone is saying I might not have to, or I can just do something to the engine mount. I think the driveshaft would be a much safer bet.

Update: so far my list of stuff has grown to...
-4" suspension lift
-1.25" body lift
-track bar
-steering stabilizer
-tires
-rims
-spare tire mount
-fenders (I guess Georgia doesn't like tires out past the fenders)
-driveshaft
-SYE
-speedometer guage

All of that has me at $3900 so far, a little over budget. About all I can drop is replace the alloy wheels for steel ones, and drop the spare mount for an adapter, though I've heard that's unwise. Still, it would save me $400, putting me right back on budget. But, changing the gear ratio would cost me around a grand, I guess, and without it my mileage might drop to 10mpg, rumor has it. This is frustrating. But I think I'll have to wait another month until I start making my first purchases, then another two weeks or so until I start building. Lots of time to cut some fat, or decide that I should wait until I have more money. Problem is, I know I could drop $8000 to do make it a supreme BA Jeep, but until I'm making a lot more money and it's not longer my DD I won't ever be willing to spend that.
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I know it's been said already but just to stress the point you need to upgrade the axles before you run 35's. Especially with those lower gears they will put more stress on the axle shaft and you can snap that 30 shaft pretty easily. And also consider steering upgrades and possibly brake upgrades. I know not everyone will agree that brake upgrades are needed and really they aren't needed right off the bat to run 35's. But from my experience running 33x12.50 tires, the brakes definitely are a little iffy when you need to stop quick. You can kinda just feel the jeep wanting to slow down but not really slowing downs fast. And I replaced my brake pads so I know they are good. Just a heads up for things to add to the list. And remember, its never done!
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I thought the D44 that mine came with should suffice.
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Oh I must have missed that! Sorry. Yeah that will do just fine.
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Here is a picture of my LJ with 33s 4" lift and 2" spacers up front to help with the weight of the winch and bumper... and lots and lots of other mods too...


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I went with 35's and have 3" lift front 2" back and 5/8" spacers;1 1/4 body lift. I've got dana 30/35 and will regear next, but it's a work in progress. I will upgrade to Dana 44 some day when I can but for now she's great and looks great. I started with 31's and quickly realized I wanted a better stance. I won't buy small again... if you think you want bigger, do it. Costs less to buy things once! Just my opinion. Everyone will tell you how to spend your money, but so long as you understand the possible consequences and what additional upgrades you might need... just do it.
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Oh I must have missed that! Sorry. Yeah that will do just fine.
No worries mate. Just good to know that my axle is one less thing to be purchased.

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I like it! But I'm thinking I really want the 35s. I guess I'll have to see them in person before I decide. Do you have any problems with the gear ratio, or speedometer with them?

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I went with 35's and have 3" lift front 2" back and 5/8" spacers;1 1/4 body lift. I've got dana 30/35 and will regear next, but it's a work in progress. I will upgrade to Dana 44 some day when I can but for now she's great and looks great. I started with 31's and quickly realized I wanted a better stance. I won't buy small again... if you think you want bigger, do it. Costs less to buy things once! Just my opinion. Everyone will tell you how to spend your money, but so long as you understand the possible consequences and what additional upgrades you might need... just do it.
Nice. Same question though, do you have any problems with the gear ratio or speedometer? I'll probably have enough money in a month or so, I'm sure by then I'll have made up my mind.
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Also, what're you guys using for tires and rims? I'm probably gonna go with the BFGoodrich all terrain tires, and procomp rims. Any opinion on steel vs alloy? But Quadratec has a decent price on some premounted Procomp 33s and 35s on their rims, though they don't come in silver. Just not sure if the M/T2 radial tire is a great choice, it might be a bit too aggresive tread for a daily driver. Is that what either of you two are using? And if so, di the premount work well, or not so much?
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Mine had 3.73 gears and not a big power loss but noticeable on the interstate.... I never drove above 50mph with OD on because it would just dog down with it off it drove great...

And at 65mph your really doing like 72-73mph so might get a ticket when you think you aren't speeding...

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