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Old 11-14-2012, 09:43 AM   #1
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Just bought my 1st Jeep: a '00 TJ Sport, I Have Questions

Finally pulled the trigger and bought a Jeep, 2000 TJ Sport, 6 cyl, 5spd, no A/C. Been a long time coming. I've been on the forum lurking, researching, saving threads & son on, but still, I have a question or two.

1. the PO didn't know what gear ratio the diff's had. Did I read somewhere that this can be deciphered via the VIN?

2. Can the fenders be removed without first removing the fender flares? The fenders are dinged to the point that both need replacing, as does the front bumper. The PO kissed something. I had the frame checked out and all is good there.

3. It has the stock Alloy wheels with 31x 10.5x 15" tires and no lift whatsoever. I live out in the sticks on a county road, (read bouncy), and didn't notice any rubbing last night driving it home, no clearence issues. I'm thinking of a 2" BB and 33's. If I go to 33's, do I need to re-gear?

As always, thanks for any input and advice.

Here's a couple of pix, one shows the front end crunch.

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Old 11-14-2012, 09:49 AM   #2
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1. Not sure about the V.I.N. but if you jack up the rear, turn the tire one revolution and count the number of revolutions your drive shaft makes...that's your gear ratio.

3. If you are going to run 33's you should regear to 4:56 with a 6cyl and 5 speed. If you don't, you will only be using 5th gear after about 65mph and your power band will suck decreasing your gas mileage.

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Old 11-14-2012, 09:53 AM   #3
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First of all, Welcome!

Second, you can contact Chrysler for a build sheet, just send them your VIN and they'll send you everything about your Jeep or someone with that year model and engine/trans will tell you on here shortly.

Third, yes you can take your fenders off without removing the flares, but you might as well take them off, sand 'em, and repaint them. I can see the corner of your driver side is a little bent and you can heat it and roll it out. The little extension flare on the rocker guard will prolly have to come off to take the fender off, though. The bumper comes off real easy with two bolts on top of either side and one on the bottom of the frame.

As far as 33's, I'd definitely do more than a 2 in BB.. You could run a 2 in bb and 1.25 bl, but you'd be close at flex and have to either bump stop it correctly or run tube fenders/flat flares/cut your stockers. Preferably a suspension lift for that situation

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Old 11-14-2012, 09:54 AM   #4
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1 - Yes you can. But if the PO changed them then you will need to do as stated above. Also, you can look on the rear Diff to see if the gearing tags are still there.
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2 - I have no idea, sorry.

3 - First find out what gears you have, then we can get some idea of how bad its gonna be. 33s on 3.07s..... I know a few Jeeps running this setup. Seems fine, but passing someone is basically off their list of things that can be done.
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:46 PM   #5
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Thanks for the input, Guys. This helps.

Dragon; that VIN decoder brought everything right up. Awesome, THANKS!!!! According to it, I have a Dana 30/186MM front axle and a 175MM rear axle with a 3.07 ratio. I didn't say 'Dana 30' for the rear, but I'm guessing if I have a Dana 30 front, I'll have a Dana 30 rear end???

I spent some quality time with it this morning; the bumper was pushed back far enough on the driver's side, that I couldn't access the Torx bolt for removal. Enter my grinding wheel About 15 minutes later, I had the top hoop removed with clear access for the Torx bolts. Of course, the bolt takes a torx bit larger than the T50 in my set. Time to buy more tools

How's that saying go, Just Empty Every Pocket???
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Thanks for the input, Guys. This helps.

Dragon; that VIN decoder brought everything right up. Awesome, THANKS!!!! According to it, I have a Dana 30/186MM front axle and a 175MM rear axle with a 3.07 ratio. I didn't say 'Dana 30' for the rear, but I'm guessing if I have a Dana 30 front, I'll have a Dana 30 rear end???

I spent some quality time with it this morning; the bumper was pushed back far enough on the driver's side, that I couldn't access the Torx bolt for removal. Enter my grinding wheel About 15 minutes later, I had the top hoop removed with clear access for the Torx bolts. Of course, the bolt takes a torx bit larger than the T50 in my set. Time to buy more tools

How's that saying go, Just Empty Every Pocket???
a 175 MM rear is a Dana 35, most likely the junk C-Clip axle...

haha yeah, that will happen. I end up buyin' all kinds of new tools. They come in handy.. ya know, a left handed crescent wrench some blinker fluid
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:52 PM   #7
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How's that saying go, Just Empty Every Pocket???
Just Explore Every Peak

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Thanks for the input, Guys. This helps.

Dragon; that VIN decoder brought everything right up. Awesome, THANKS!!!! According to it, I have a Dana 30/186MM front axle and a 175MM rear axle with a 3.07 ratio. I didn't say 'Dana 30' for the rear, but I'm guessing if I have a Dana 30 front, I'll have a Dana 30 rear end???

I spent some quality time with it this morning; the bumper was pushed back far enough on the driver's side, that I couldn't access the Torx bolt for removal. Enter my grinding wheel About 15 minutes later, I had the top hoop removed with clear access for the Torx bolts. Of course, the bolt takes a torx bit larger than the T50 in my set. Time to buy more tools

How's that saying go, Just Empty Every Pocket???
If you have a D35 rear (sounds like you do) And if you plan and wheeling it I wouldnt put 33's on it. 31's are your safe limit and 33's are pushing it.
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Glad it worked out for ya.
I'm pretty sure that bumper takes a T55 Torx. You know, one up from where everyone's set stops LOL.

Dana 35 isn't the "junk" that everyone screams about. I know more than enough that run 33s on theirs with no issues, 35s.... well thats pushing it but I even know some with that size tire/axle and they have no issues either.

I'm, myself, have the D35 rear end with 3.07 gears. I'm turning 31" tires. Seems like a good setup for my use.
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Welcome to the forum and Congrats on the buy! Jeep is a life style not a fashion statement.

Just wanted to throw my two cents in here. I've got a 4" Black Diamond suspension lift with no body lift at all and running 33x12.5 on 15x10 rims. No rubbing on anything. Price tag was around 700 for the lift and steering stabilizer. Stabilizer came separate but highly recommend it especially if you're going with bigger meats. I've got a 5 speed with 3.07 gears on a junk c-clip 35 as well. The passing comment is true, better get a run at it and get ready for about 12 to 14 mpg. Around town it's not bad and even on the Highway, but most times in a stiff wind you'll be driving in 4th and probably pull 4th for most decent hills.
Hope this helps you get a idea...
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I have 33s on my 00 TJ Sport with a 4 inch Eotech Stage 2 lift. I'm glad I did the 4 inch lift, it clears 33s quite easily with no rub. That being said, I also have d30s front and rear and AFAIK they are geared stock. Since getting the 33s the Jeep feels under powered by a lot! Any speed over 60 guzzles gas and acceleration is a joke. Now of course I didn't buy my Jeep for the freeway and I get enough acceleration elsewhere buttttt I need to re-gear.

My advise is to shop around for the axel you want and while lifting it swap axels. I am suspension dumb so I'm still learning but that is what I would have done if I had it to do over again.

BTW Congrats on your Jeep! Don't stress to hard over the dents and dings, she is sure to earn a few more.

Our Jeeps look a lot alike so here are some before and after pictures.



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i have a 4.0L 5-speed with 285x75x16 (roughly between a 32 and a 33) on my jeep on a 3" lift and 3.07 gears. its defiantly slow. although it cruises down the freeway at 65-75mph sucking less gas than my old 2000 f-150 5.4L
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Old 11-14-2012, 05:24 PM   #13
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I have a 2000 sport as well but my Jeep has 3.73 gears why is it that we have the same model but different gear ratio? I also have a inline six too manual tranny
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I have 35s on my 2000 v6 stock gearing with no problems. But i am very easy on it.
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I have a 2000 sport as well but my Jeep has 3.73 gears why is it that we have the same model but different gear ratio? I also have a inline six too manual tranny

I guess that's why it's called a Jeep Thing???

Offroading will be 'mild' at best, as I can't afford to pour massive amounts of $$$ into this. What I'm really after is "the Look". Slightly lifted with slightly bigger tires, a/k/a, not bone stock. I guess since I already have 31's and no clearance issues, I could get a set of wheel spacers to push the existing meats out to achieve the effect.
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Blas32, did you do the fender flare trim? looks good...
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I have a 00' Tj 4.0L 5spd. I bought mine bone stock. It looked just like Jeepindad's when I got it. I am currently running a 3" susp. lift, 1.25" BL, 1"MML, 33" tires and 4.11 gears. I would recommend going to 4.56 for 33" tires. I also would recommend a SYE kit to keep form having to drop the TC.
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I also would recommend a SYE kit to keep form having to drop the TC.
Okay, as I'm totally new to this, what's a SYE kit?
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I have 35s on my 2000 v6 stock gearing with no problems. But i am very easy on it.
V6? You do a motor swap?
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It will replace the old factory shaft and tail piece of the trans fer case for better parts. Advance Adapters 50-7906 - Advanced Adapters Drive Shaft Angle Reduction (Slip Yoke Eliminator) Kit for NP231 Transfer Case - Quadratec
Plus you won't have to lower the transfer case and loose ground clearance.
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Blas32, did you do the fender flare trim? looks good...
No... It's the stock fender trim. Thanks
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nice buy
just got a 99 4.0 5 speed sport myself....... curious about how i did on price if you dont mind sharin what you paid for it...pm me and we can compare
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The Mods & Repair begin

After aquiring the T55 torx bit needed, I removed the crunched front tube bumper. I also removed the rusted out rear tube bumper as well. Smittybilts from Quadratech are enroute.

As for mods, I did the factory fender flare trim yesterday and will be painting them next week. I also upgraded my old stock H6024 seald beams to the KC H4 conversion kit.

...and so it begins...
Before

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