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Old 11-15-2007, 12:02 PM   #1
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just got my first jeep. now?

hey everyone ! just bought an 06 rubicon unlimited and in the near future will be lifting it (not sure on what kit or how big yet) but was wondering if there is a difference between the tj and the unlimiteds in other words do i have to get an lj specific lift or can i use a tj kit
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as far as coils and shocks are i wouldnt think so.. but control arms and everything else.. yes..

if you are gonna order a new kit and not a used one off of a forum.. why wouldnt you just order the lift specifically for your jeep?

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well i've run across very few unlimited lift kits just poking around the internet but there are a ton of tj kits.just wasn't sure if they're the same thing or not.
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hey everyone ! just bought an 06 rubicon unlimited and in the near future will be lifting it (not sure on what kit or how big yet) but was wondering if there is a difference between the tj and the unlimiteds in other words do i have to get an lj specific lift or can i use a tj kit
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For the most part there is no difference in parts. Unless you are going for a long arm lift, most companies don't make a distinction between the two. The only difference is the spring rate because the LJ is a few hundred pounds heavier.

As for what to do first, I'd say take it out and wheel it. That rig is very capable right out of the box. Go and play with it and then figure out what you want to do with it. I wanted to get through bigger rock gardens without having to use my jack and stacking rocks. A 3.5 short arm lift and 33's accomplished that for me.

Talk to a lot of people and get their opinions, sift through them and come up with a plan. Also make protection a priority, its cheaper in the long run to pay for protection than to fix what got broken. Rocker guards were a priority for me. Now I'm working on replacing the factory stuff on the underside.

Welcome to the forum, lots of good information here. Good luck with your new toy!
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thank you sir
that is what i wanted to hear i figured as much but was not 100% so thanks for the info and advice
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as far as coils and shocks are i wouldnt think so.. but control arms and everything else.. yes..

if you are gonna order a new kit and not a used one off of a forum.. why wouldnt you just order the lift specifically for your jeep?
Coils, yes, sort of.... Spring rates come into play because of the added weight. But after you bolt a few hundred pounds of stuff on your jeep, it all becomes moot.

Shocks and Short arm control arms - no difference! Most long arm kits use the same control arms as well. Mounting points are just further apart.

I know of one company out there that sold the exact same short arm kit for both TJs and LJs. Every piece in the kit is identical, but they charged $60 more for the "Unlimited" version.
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Coils, yes, sort of.... Spring rates come into play because of the added weight. But after you bolt a few hundred pounds of stuff on your jeep, it all becomes moot.

Shocks and Short arm control arms - no difference! Most long arm kits use the same control arms as well. Mounting points are just further apart.

I know of one company out there that sold the exact same short arm kit for both TJs and LJs. Every piece in the kit is identical, but they charged $60 more for the "Unlimited" version.
that sucks..

and for some reason i was thinking that maybe the rear cas were a tad bit longer.. but im sure your right =p.. never really looked into unlimiteds bc i dont like them =/

theres a unlimited tj and a 4dr jk in the jeep club tho.. ill have to take a look at them sometime
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Coils, yes, sort of.... Spring rates come into play because of the added weight. But after you bolt a few hundred pounds of stuff on your jeep, it all becomes moot.
So you're saying I can swap out my coil springs on the wrangler that has nothing in the back, comp cut, and no weight and toss them on my 3/4 ton pickup with 2k pounds of tile in the back and call it moot?



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There aren't many people in this business that attend to every vehicle with amazing accuracy. That's why you get the same springs across the board and if it rides rough then, it's the jeep thing! Tailoring your lift to your specific vehicle is an art form that not many have. I don't believe changing your vehicles entire characteristics to be anywhere near moot. If you plan your jeep carefully you will have a vehicle you will want to keep for years to come.
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So you're saying I can swap out my coil springs on the wrangler that has nothing in the back, comp cut, and no weight and toss them on my 3/4 ton pickup with 2k pounds of tile in the back and call it moot?

Not at all what I'm saying and you know the answer to your question as well as I do. The point I was trying to make was related to lift kits (because that is what the OP was talking about). A lift kit for a regular TJ will (or should anyway) come with differently rated springs than a kit for an LJ if they are designed for that specific application. The more weight you bolt on to the Jeep, the more the differences in the two spring rates ceases to matter. At a given point in the evolution of a Jeep, using the kit manufacturer's recommended springs for a TJ or an LJ makes no difference because in reality, they are both wrong. Also, let’s keep in mind that we are talking to a new Jeep owner here

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There aren't many people in this business that attend to every vehicle with amazing accuracy. That's why you get the same springs across the board and if it rides rough then, it's the jeep thing! Tailoring your lift to your specific vehicle is an art form that not many have. I don't believe changing your vehicles entire characteristics to be anywhere near moot.
I agree with this statement completely, and like you say, it is an art form that not many people have. And while "changing your vehicles entire characteristics" is no where near a moot point, knowing how to properly suspend a vehicle is well outside the grasp of most people. They tend to follow the lift manufacturer's suggestions, which as I stated above, has a tendency to be wrong.

While what you say is very true, the concept is way outside of anything fathomable by a new Jeep owner. Don't get me wrong, I am very much in awe of your Jeep and I am truly impressed by the amount of knowledge you had to acquire to get it to where it is. You are an impressive fabricator and an artist in your own right, but I don't know of anyone, you included, that bought their first stock jeep and phase one of it's evolution came out like yours sits today.
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That isn't my point. Because my jeep is what it is doesn't have anything to do with other peoples desires for their vehicle. What I'm getting to is the lack of knowledge across the board when it comes to lifting a jeep. We have seen the aching problem in this very thread. If every person is accurately taught about proper suspension geometry and characteristics from the get go(i.e. when they first buy a jeep) they wouldn't have money wasting problems down the road. Just because they are new to jeeps does not mean they can not comprehend proper suspension setups. It just takes more time and the proper(read patient) people to teach them.
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hey everyone ! just bought an 06 rubicon unlimited and in the near future will be lifting it (not sure on what kit or how big yet) but was wondering if there is a difference between the tj and the unlimiteds in other words do i have to get an lj specific lift or can i use a tj kit
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I wish they had the unlimited rubicons available when I bought my jeep. tj and lj short arm kits are all the same. or for a just a little more $ you can get a good long arm people spend tons of time and money to stretch their short wheelbase jeeps for that 104". You got that right out of the box. enjoy
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I wish they had the unlimited rubicons available when I bought my jeep. tj and lj short arm kits are all the same. or for a just a little more $ you can get a good long arm people spend tons of time and money to stretch their short wheelbase jeeps for that 104". You got that right out of the box. enjoy
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and from "a new jeep owner" thanks for the input to all and try to keep the dumb questions to myself for now on
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That isn't my point. Because my jeep is what it is doesn't have anything to do with other peoples desires for their vehicle. What I'm getting to is the lack of knowledge across the board when it comes to lifting a jeep. We have seen the aching problem in this very thread. If every person is accurately taught about proper suspension geometry and characteristics from the get go(i.e. when they first buy a jeep) they wouldn't have money wasting problems down the road. Just because they are new to jeeps does not mean they can not comprehend proper suspension setups. It just takes more time and the proper(read patient) people to teach them.
True, but don't you agree that it is a learning process? Revelation comes best in stages. Even if I had the same level of understanding about Jeep suspension geometry as you do ( I'd love to buy you a beer and spend some time discussing it...), I don't have the money or fabrication skills to do it, nor do I have the time to have my daily driver out of commission while it's being done.

We've taken this thread way off topic, but I think you make great points. The original question was: "Is there difference between the tj and the unlimited lift kits?" The answer, to the best of my knowledge, is: With the exception of the fact that the spring rates should be different, the answer is no.
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and from "a new jeep owner" thanks for the input to all and try to keep the dumb questions to myself for now on
Blue,

It was not a dumb question, sorry if we made you feel that way. "a new jeep owner" is not a derogatory statement here on WF. I don't think there are really any dumb questions. Feel free to ask anything pertaining to your Jeep here. Above all else, I believe that before you start down the path of building your Jeep, you should not have a single question in your mind about it.

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