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Old 04-19-2010, 09:57 PM   #1
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What is everyone's opinion on LCG rigs? I'm kicking around some different ideas on how I want to finish building my heap. I can get a long-arm upgrade to the Full Traction suspension I've already got on my Jeep now. I won't be going up any more in height. Tube fenders and some minor cutting on the rear fenderwells should allow me to fit 37's, my target tire size. Can you tummy tuck a long arm? That's an option if it's possible. Just wanted to know what everyone thought about building a Low Center of Gravity rig. What are the limitations? Benefits?

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NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

K with that said. Personally would not run less then 4in of lift. It is proven time and time again unless your running a full buggy, you will drag things and smash things underneath. I learned a lot from the guys in AZ. Most jeeps out there are between 4 and 5.5 inches of lift. I am going to stuff 37's under mine with 4in's of lift 1.25 body and clearance the fenders a hair.

Most long arms are tummy tucked for the most part. I am going to be building my custom long arm off my aluminum tummy tuck that is in the mail. I really don't see a advantage to a LCG rig. I mean I also don't see a advantage of a rig that has 8 inches of lift either. I will probably be the odd ball out here in saying no to the LCG rig too.

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Oh, before any of you start to tell me that my D35c won't hold up to 37s........I'm well aware of that and that's why there is currently an 8.8 sitting on my back porch with all of the suspension mounts shaved off waiting to be welded up with new suspension mounts for my rig. Superior's Super 88 chromoly axle kit will be installed later this summer along with 5.13 gears. Still looking for a D44 for the front. Looking at the Currie HP D44, the SOLID D44, and G2 D44. Don't know which one I'll be pulling the trigger on yet, but it'll have an ARB on whichever one I choose.
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I'm sitting on 5+" of lift right now. Don't really need to go taller. Just want the added articulation of the long arm.
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Hey hey hey hey the dana 35c WILL HOLD UP JUST FINE and remember to give it as much gas as humanly possible
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Are you copying me??? .....all i have left is the fenders and claytons long arm upgrade to order. Just cant decide of fender maker.
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I'm sitting on 5+" of lift right now. Don't really need to go taller. Just want the added articulation of the long arm.
With 5in of lift and a long arm with 3in of uptravel you will be able to go anywhere with it stretched to 104" .

Jack in AZ had this setup and that jeep WENT WERE EVER he pointed it and the thing flexed like a monster! I can find some pics of his.
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Are you copying me??? .....all i have left is the fenders and claytons long arm upgrade to order. Just cant decide of fender maker.
You lucked into a great set of axles. I'm still looking for a front one for my rig. Hey, I'm selling my R1. If you know of anyone looking to kill themselves on a 200 mph bike, let me know.
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^ I might come and take it off your hands I need a bike .
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Articulation is for photos. If you wanna crawl, traction means everything. LCG lets you crawl on some wierd off camber stuff where a long travel or big lifts would at the least feel uncomfortable... if not flop over.

Here's my plans.
Super 30 front axle
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I already have a 2.5" RC lift
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I'll use the money I would have spent on a LT lift, and put it into skid plates.
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It's a beast. Do you think you can handle it?
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I will agree with you dirt to a point- the stuff these guys climb are stupid. They didn't flop tho they do get a little tippy but little butt hole puker never hurt anybody! I saw some LCG rigs lift tires more (3 wheelin it) I would rather watch that crazy flex let that tire drop back to the rocks with the other one completely stuffed. I am trying to find pics now.
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It's a beast. Do you think you can handle it?
IF you can in your old age I can no probs! lol. Really tho I have taken out busa's and gxsr-1000's before and loved them. I do need to get a lot better at riding tho. I have my license and hit the road track up a few times but was not in a great comfort zone ya know. I hit a road track in my car setup for that and the bike in the same day, it was weird that in turns I was faster in the car and the bike was faster in the straights so I have some work to do.
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Good plans bud...just mite want to reconsider that combo with the stock engine trans/ tcase....to get even back to the stock crawl ratio you'll want 5.13's //5.38's.
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^ I am at 5.13's now and crawl like a beast!

Distorted you might not want to go long arm tho- if you really want to build a rig of rigs look into going with the J ARM setup- they are adjustable - they are the best of the best so I have heard from a lot of guys but a pain in the butt to setup properly. I am not going long arm in my build I am going to try and keep it a mid arm so I don't get turtled to often.
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I really dig the LCG set ups if they are done right. Personally I'd probably want to have 3-4 inches of lift to get a little extra clearance vs the 2.5 that some of the guys are running, but 37's on 3-4 inches of lift = SICK!!!
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IF you can in your old age I can no probs! lol. Really tho I have taken out busa's and gxsr-1000's before and loved them. I do need to get a lot better at riding tho. I have my license and hit the road track up a few times but was not in a great comfort zone ya know. I hit a road track in my car setup for that and the bike in the same day, it was weird that in turns I was faster in the car and the bike was faster in the straights so I have some work to do.
Lol........I'm not THAT old!! But I did learn to ride a motorcycle when I was just 6. Now I've got 30 years of riding experience behind me......yep, do the math. And this bike is really set up for the track and I just don't get there often enough any more to justify having this bike. I put $2800 worth of suspension on it (Ohlins front and rear), set it up for my height/weight (5'9"/180#), and set it up for the tracks in southern Florida. Well, I'm not living in southern Florida anymore and the nearest track is Heartland Park Raceway in Topeka and that's 2.5 hours away. Owning this bike in Kansas is like having a 200 mph boat and only having a small pond on which to enjoy it.
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Good plans bud...just mite want to reconsider that combo with the stock engine trans/ tcase....to get even back to the stock crawl ratio you'll want 5.13's //5.38's.
I may go a step lower, I run a 6cyl and it's my daily driver, with a LCG 80+ on the socal freeway is fine. I'm not sold on the 37s either, maybe 35s as they are easier to find.
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Jordan, I've been on the 80 in Kansas. If my chevy would have done 200, I'd have been there!
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Distorted you might not want to go long arm tho- if you really want to build a rig of rigs look into going with the J ARM setup- they are adjustable - they are the best of the best so I have heard from a lot of guys but a pain in the butt to setup properly. I am not going long arm in my build I am going to try and keep it a mid arm so I don't get turtled to often.
Not looking for the altimate beast. Just what I want for my jeep to preform as I want it too. Not my first rodeo either. J Arm are nice but just not what I want for my set up. The LA I'm doing are all adjustable too.
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Dirt, even with 35's you'll want a minimum of 4.56. 4.88's with the auto or 5 speed tranny.
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I may go a step lower, I run a 6cyl and it's my daily driver, with a LCG 80+ on the socal freeway is fine. I'm not sold on the 37s either, maybe 35s as they are easier to find.
Still with 35's depending on your transmission...ideal ratio would be 4.88 or 5.88 again depending on trans.

Also...if you keep your D30 front you are limited to 4.88's.
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Jordan, I've been on the 80 in Kansas. If my chevy would have done 200, I'd have been there!
Yeah Larry, Kansas has some great roads if all you want to do is go fast. I got over that years ago. I like the technical road race tracks where I can drag my knee pucks into powder.
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Yeah, that place IS flat (and straight)!
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This full flexed out on short arms with 4in of lift.



Another were articulation (LA or Mid Arm) would of kept the jeep on 4 tires instead of 3

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Are those Pro Comp dog bones? Do those things howl on the road?
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No they are cepek crushers- I don't notice it if they do howl - I have my music up and 90 percent of the time the top is off rain or shine- even cold doesn't really bother me ask larry haha.


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I'm running a set of Mickey Thompson Baja Claw Radials and they tend to do a little howling on the highway. My Jeep is not my daily driver though, so she doesn't spend enough time on the highway for it to matter much. Do those Cepeks grip very well?
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Still with 35's depending on your transmission...ideal ratio would be 4.88 or 5.88 again depending on trans.

Also...if you keep your D30 front you are limited to 4.88's.
4:88 is the lowest they make for the D30?


jdhallissey, My point is that having all 4 wheels on the ground doesn't seem as important as having the traction (Lockers.) What good does a tire do all flexed out and touching the ground if it's only putting 3# of pressure on the ground it's touching?

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