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Old 09-23-2010, 02:59 PM   #31
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But thanks anyway...as I said, I don't want to half-*** it.[/QUOTE]

Yes exactly dont half ass it and a LCOG rig is cool, but the posers give it a bad name

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Here's another piece of advice, armor up first....esp if you plan on offroading while you are going through the stages. A wise man once told me "armor is one of those things that will always be good to have, you won't ever need less armor" (I guess I shouldn't have paraphrased it in quotes, but you get the point)
Sounds like good advice to me.

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i share the same "disturbed" sense of humor. My father blames my mother....

that advice was given to me by the only member here I've met in person. part of his sig is "armored head to toe". I think its logical.
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the problem with LCOG is alot, they are too low and drag over and get hung up easily. you loose lots of uptravel since your stuffing oversized tires on little lift and the benefits of a Low center of gravity really arnt that impressive. look at the picture posted above, 37, tons of lift and still stable. if your doing it for looks then dont worry about doing it right. to do it right it turns more into a buggy then a jeep.
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the problem with LCOG is alot, they are too low and drag over and get hung up easily. you loose lots of uptravel since your stuffing oversized tires on little lift and the benefits of a Low center of gravity really arnt that impressive. look at the picture posted above, 37, tons of lift and still stable. if your doing it for looks then dont worry about doing it right. to do it right it turns more into a buggy then a jeep.
That rig has a wheelbase stretch also though. Wouldnt that create a lower center of gravity even though he still has 6" of lift?

EDIT: in that particular picture, I dunno if hes done the stretch
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RE 3.5 is really 4.5. I'd love 37s but would prob need to trim coils for it to be true lcog.
Yeah, I like the amount of undercarriage/belly clearance that the 3.5 gives me now. Basically what my idea is....run 37's without going any higher than the actual 4-4.5" of lift the RE coils already gave me. Instead of adding a unnecessary body lift or swapping taller coils to make more room for big tires...I would rather use tubed fenders, cut up the rear. Then maybe do a tummy tuck if I really need more undercarriage clearance, which I doubt I will need. I've taken the TJ through trails I really had no business on, But I made it, lol
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That rig has a wheelbase stretch also though. Wouldnt that create a lower center of gravity even though he still has 6" of lift?

EDIT: in that particular picture, I dunno if hes done the stretch
No stretch i got the specs directly from him, and the axles are a stock D44 with a HP D30(same width as a TJ D30) out of a XJ,only diff is its High Pinion and has reverse cut gears for more internal strength. However now days hes running a stretch with D60's fornt and rear on 38's or 40's cant remeber
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No stretch i got the specs directly from him
Doesnt his current setup have a stretch?
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Doesnt his current setup have a stretch?


His Jeep is a little (a lot) different now than whats in that pic....If thats who I think it is...Lance??
7" strech...total of 111" WB
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His Jeep is a little (a lot) different now than whats in that pic....If thats who I think it is...Lance??
7" strech...total of 111" WB
Ya I thought it was lance too. His rig is significantly different now than in that pic lol. I just pulled up his profile to double check

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I've got 33's on my 05 TJ with only a 1.25 JKS body lift. I plan on doing a tummy tuck, so I also did the 1" Motor Mount Lift. I have a "Extra Clearance Skid" and a "LOPRO Trans Mount" from Under Cover Fab Works, but I wasn't able to get them on before I was sent to FL for 6 mos.

I'm also contemplating either high lining the front fenders (factory or tube) or a RE 2.5" Long Arm kit. Or both...
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I've got 33's on my 05 TJ with only a 1.25 JKS body lift. I plan on doing a tummy tuck, so I also did the 1" Motor Mount Lift. I have a "Extra Clearance Skid" and a "LOPRO Trans Mount" from Under Cover Fab Works, but I wasn't able to get them on before I was sent to FL for 6 mos.

I'm also contemplating either high lining the front fenders (factory or tube) or a RE 2.5" Long Arm kit. Or both...
a 2.5" LA wont be much benefit over a standard SA
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a 2.5" LA wont be much benefit over a standard SA
He's right...you'll be doing all this work to get better clearance underneath but in returm your long arms are just gonna get hung up on everything.
Ditch the body lift and throw in a 2-3" coil and highline the fenders....done
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He's right...you'll be doing all this work to get better clearance underneath but in returm your long arms are just gonna get hung up on everything.
Ditch the body lift and throw in a 2-3" coil and highline the fenders....done
Or keep the BL and throw on 2-3" coils. The BL will help with skids and a tummy tuck in the future.
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Or keep the BL and throw on 2-3" coils. The BL will help with skids and a tummy tuck in the future.
Please do go into more detail
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Most tummy tucks require a 1" body lift and a lot of them also require a SYE as well.
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Please do go into more detail
You will find that some skid plates need a BL for simple installation. For example the Rokmen gas tank skid asks for a BL for install, or you have to buy special spacers. With tummy tucks, since your TC is mounted to the skid, when you lift it higher you need room above it, hence a BL.

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Most tummy tucks require a 1" body lift and a lot of them also require a SYE as well.
I'm assuming thats to get the bottom of the skid closer to the frame rail level?
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You will find that some skid plates need a BL for simple installation. For example the Rokmen gas tank skid asks for a BL for install, or you have to buy special spacers. With tummy tucks, since your TC is mounted to the skid, when you lift it higher you need room above it, hence a BL.

EDIT: x2 on the SYE^^^
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I'm assuming thats to get the bottom of the skid closer to the frame rail level?
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Yes your right...I forgot he mentioned the MML too....so yeah keep the body lift. Your better of with it.
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a 2.5" LA wont be much benefit over a standard SA
I've read in multiple places that a long arm suspension is a dramatic improvement in ride quality due to the geometry change. That's the main reason I want one.

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He's right...you'll be doing all this work to get better clearance underneath but in returm your long arms are just gonna get hung up on everything.
Ditch the body lift and throw in a 2-3" coil and highline the fenders....done
I've seen the threads about Jerry getting caught up all the time with pics. I think the Long vs Short thread was about 20 pages of people arguing back and forth on which is better. It's my daily driver/weekend warrior so I'm more into ride quality.

Also, I need the body lift for my future Rokman skid and the tummy tuck.
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Long arm will improve your ride quality. But I doubt it will be all that beneficial on 2.5" of lift
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Forgive me for asking but being the noub that I am, what is LCG and LCOG?
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a long arm kit on a 2.5 kit will just drag control arms everywhere.
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a long arm kit on a 2.5 kit will just drag control arms everywhere.
I know it's manufacturer but not according to RE's rear radius arm page: Rubicon Express, Inc.

I'm trying to find more pics on Google but the kit hasn't been out too long.

EDIT: Its been out a bit longer than I thought...
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i was looking for LCOG info about 10 months ago myself. what i didnt want to do was ANY welding for longarms stuff (i just dont trust my welding enough to put it on public roads yet!) and i spent a ton of time trying to find a bolt on setup. i decided to start with my winch bumper first, and go from there. lucky for me, i decided on a rokmen bumper, and while i was picking it up, Dave was asking me about the future of my jeep.
what he sugested, i can now agree and recommend! (i should get free stuff for all the word of mouth i do haha!)
i did all this at once, but parts can be done a little at a time.
body lift (i think its 1.5" ?), SYE, motor lift stuff first.
tummytuck armour and skids (gas tank, tucked belly pan, tranny armour)
2.5 lift kit from rokmen (they use stock mounting points, no cutting or welding required)(they use the old man emu stuff, cant say enough good about its performance!)if you dont think short arms will flex as much as long arms, again, check out their pics for proof!
this setup will allow you to run 33" and stuff them perfectly (ill start some pic posting in a day or two) with no rub, no cutting at all. (im also using a 2 inch wheel spacer)
i drive an 06 unlimited rubi, which is my daily driver, and have been on many of the tougher moab trails and experienced little or no scrapes on hells revenge (i walked up escalator) golden spike, poison spider, and a lot of the local colorado trails.
my plans are to go up to 38's after i regear, and all i will have to do is go with a hi-line front fender setup, and a rear wheel well cutout.(anything over 33's will need this done. it looks like you could put larger tires, but the uptravel rub would be horrid) i will not have to do another lift or anything else to pull this off (they run 40's with the exact setup im using right now)

i dont knock bigger lifts and bigger tires, i used to run a 93 zj on 7" and 35's and worked well, just wasnt as stable as i wanted. this is what i wanted this time, and i cant see me doing anything else.

pm me if you would like any more info or pics. or just talk to the guys.

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