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Old 02-14-2012, 07:24 PM   #1
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Legal or illegal?

I live in Florida and I was wondering if anybody knew if it was legal it illegal to have your doors off with no mirrors except the rear view mirror?

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Old 02-14-2012, 07:29 PM   #2
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I think all states require a drivers and an inside.

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Old 02-14-2012, 07:30 PM   #3
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my neighbor, Seminole county sheriff says as long as you have one mirror you are fine. And I have seen posts about this and everyone seems to agree that it is legal. But on ebay you can get an old motorcycle mirror and mount it in the door hinge. I got mine for like 9 bucks shipped to my door.
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Old 02-14-2012, 07:32 PM   #4
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Easy solution. Velcrow and a small circle mirror, place negative side of velcrow in doorframe in top left, place positive side on backside of mirror, BINGO! $4 and your on your way. Get black velcrow and you can barely see it
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I run the safari style just for liability reasons. Dont want some 1-800-sue-them lawyers making a case that I was running a vehicle without proper safety equipment when some dumba$$ merges into me....
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Old 02-14-2012, 07:37 PM   #6
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Cheap motorcycle mirror or expensive Harley mirror will bolt right into the top door hinge. And works great!
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Old 02-14-2012, 07:57 PM   #7
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Title XXIII
MOTOR VEHICLES
Chapter 316
STATE UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL
View Entire Chapter 316.294 Mirrors.—Every vehicle, operated singly or when towing any other vehicle, shall be equipped with a mirror so located as to reflect to the driver a view of the highway for a distance of at least 200 feet to the rear of the motor vehicle. A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a nonmoving violation as provided in chapter 318.

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Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

Looks like Florida only requires one mirror. Your rear view mirror should be adequate to satisfy the law. I'd still recommend using at least some sort of driver's side mirror on the street.
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Old 02-14-2012, 08:00 PM   #8
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Ok thanks for the answers. I will probably order a motorcycle mirror
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Old 02-14-2012, 08:03 PM   #9
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i lived i jacksonville for 3 yrs u dont need any out side mirrors ny jeep was my daily driver and the doors were never on it and no mirrors
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Old 02-14-2012, 09:52 PM   #10
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Even if technically legal, it doesn't stop some uninformed cop from citing something he believes to be illegal, and you from having to prove otherwise in court.

If you question it, a cop may question it.

Some officers are very careful about what they cite, others aren't. You can't pick which variety pulls you over. They all are armed with pens.

Odds of winning a roadside argument are minimal.

That is reality.

I'd advise adding a couple mirrors to remove all doubt of compliance and save some potential hassle.
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Old 02-15-2012, 01:33 AM   #11
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I'm pretty sure if your vehicle came with it it is required on it.... Just saying, but I might not be that up on the vtl laws....and I don't think it really matters what state your in...

And yes, I know you doors are removable and it is leal to drive without them but they are not considered a safety feature like your mirrors are....
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Every state is different with it's mirrors.. I think jeep forum has a up to date list of the laws for each state in regeards to mirrors
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I think all states require a drivers and an inside.

Not in AL, as long as you have one inside and can see 200ft behind you you're fine
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You MUST have one drivers side mirror... you do not need a passenger or rear view mirror in FL...
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Old 02-15-2012, 03:01 AM   #15
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i lived in Tucson for couple of years and rolled with no mirrors when my doors were off. Now moved to VA and the state requires at least a D/S view mirror.
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Old 02-15-2012, 03:12 AM   #16
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Texas only require one mirror.
As long as that mirror can see 200 feet behind you from the drivers side.
You could velcro a dollar store mirror to the windshield and be good to go.

§ 547.602. MIRRORS REQUIRED. A motor vehicle, including
a motor vehicle used to tow another vehicle, shall be equipped with
a mirror located to reflect to the operator a view of the highway
for a distance of at least 200 feet from the rear of the vehicle.
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May have changed by now, but in WV I've always been told that Drivers and Rear-view were always required, and have to have a passenger mirror also when towing. I've been pulled over before for not having a passenger mirror when towing (just a warning), and the wife's car failed an inspection for having a cracked (barely) passenger side mirror. I argued that I had cars in the past that were made without a passenger mirror, and they said that mirrors were like third brake lights - if they have them, they have to work properly. If I get a chance, I'll look it up. But mirrors that work are a good idea in my opinion. I know when I'm top off and doorless, I still use my drivers side mirror, and the passenger mirror is handy with a trailer.
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I've gotten pulled over quite a few times here in Florida with both side mirrors but no rear view with the top and doors off. I just show the cop a copy of the statute (which I keep printed for such occasions) and they kindly bugger off.

That said, I recently put a rear view mirror on anyway. Easier to not get pulled over in the first place.
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Old 02-15-2012, 02:08 PM   #19
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Have lived in GA, CA, WA, and CO... all of which require 2 mirrors. Driverside and Rearveiw or Driverside and Passenger side. I live in CA now and have never got a ticket or met anyone that got one for not running mirrors.

The police must like JEEPS
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Just noticed....I am a "Jeeper" now (see profile) no longer a noob woo hooo
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This was a couple weeks ago, the first time in 4 years of patrol that I wrote an equipment violation cite:




Low and behold the driver was suspended. After that, he was adamant that he could drive w/o a door and mirror, "just like a Jeep".

I wrote him ARS 28-3473A - for being suspended.
I also wrote him ARS 28-921:

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28-921. Applicability of equipment requirements
A. A person shall not:
1. Drive or move and the owner shall not knowingly cause or permit to be driven or moved on a highway a vehicle or combination of vehicles that:
(a) Is in an unsafe condition that endangers a person.
(b) Does not contain those parts or is not at all times equipped with lamps and other equipment in proper condition and adjustment as required in this article.
(c) Is equipped in any manner in violation of this article.
I read it carefully before I cited it, because I'd never used that statute before. He is clearly missing safety equipment. If not the mirror, then the door, or the side impact rail which is inside the door from the factory.

If he wants to push the issue in court, I'll show the piccy and read the statute to the judge.


One of the things to remember, is that most cops aren't just looking to write chickenpoo civil cites. The civil violation is reasonable suspicion to make a traffic stop, and often the true purpose of the stop is to find DUI, drugs, warrants, and suspended licenses.

I've gone several shifts, months even, without writing a civil cite.
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my neighbor, Seminole county sheriff says as long as you have one mirror you are fine. And I have seen posts about this and everyone seems to agree that it is legal. But on ebay you can get an old motorcycle mirror and mount it in the door hinge. I got mine for like 9 bucks shipped to my door.
Do you know what the threaded part size would be for the TJ hinge holes? Also most of the ones I see on ebay have a short part that actually goes into the hole so woudn't you have to worry about them coming out when you hit a bump in the road or do they fit pretty snug?
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I've gotten pulled over quite a few times here in Florida with both side mirrors but no rear view with the top and doors off. I just show the cop a copy of the statute (which I keep printed for such occasions) and they kindly bugger off.

That said, I recently put a rear view mirror on anyway. Easier to not get pulled over in the first place.
Do they pull over 18 wheelers for that also?
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While they may not be required, get some with the little convex mirrors you can stick onto the corners of the mirrors. Quadratech has some mirrors that bolt right into the door hinges, and while you may be able to find cheaper, the mirrors are pretty darned good.

Damned priuses are too quiet and sometimes you just don't see them. Florida is full of idiot drivers, and its nice to know whether or not you can swerve left/right at a moment's notice because some jackwagon ahead of you decided to drop their cigarette in their lap while doing their mascara and nails and talking on the phone...

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