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Old 01-23-2007, 10:41 AM   #1
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Lift and what to do

I was looking at these kits:

http://www.dpgoffroad.com/TJ_LJ_OME_Kits.htm

Since I have a Dana 35 , I thought it might be prudent to just put enough to get 32x11.50's, and accessorize (front bumper, winch, softtop, catback, etc.) Then work on a Dana 44or Ford 8.8 install before going any higher.

or, go with:

http://www.4x4groupbuy.com/store/rub...46dd5b6b374e37

Couldn't do much more with that lift until I upgrade the rear-end, and it would pretty much soak up the budget by the time I added shocks, wheels, and tires. And I'd still be looking at upgrading the rear-end.

So, on the first choice, which those kits would you go with. Given that in 3-years or so it's going to be replaced. Meanwhile it will be my DD (split miles with my PU)

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That link to 4x4 groupbuy says pruduct not found. You can run 33 1250's just fine. I got the 4.5 in superflex w/sye from groupbuy and the shocks there as well. I spent 1900 dollars far everything shipped then 4 BFG MT's for $600 dollars.

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Old 01-23-2007, 01:38 PM   #3
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Does the 4.5" short-arm give you any probs?
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4.5" (real 5") is too much for short arms in my opinion.
a friends tj with a 4.5" shortarm suspension isn´t comfortable on the road.
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i say if your goal is 32's for now but you eventually want to step up to 33's then get the second kit listed (dpg). if you eventually want to go even bigger then get the 3rd kit listed although it will probably be a little too much lift for just 32's.

get the antirock while your at it.
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erickpl on this board runs the DPG "ultimate" kit....
4 OME Shocks, 4 OME Coil Springs, (Med or HD coils) OME Rear Bump stop Spacers, JKS "Quicker" Disconnects, JKS 1.25" Body Lift, JKS 1" Motor Mount Spacers, JKS Adj. Track bar (front) JKS Adj. Track bar (rear), and 2" Extended Bump stops. (Front & rear)
he's running 33x12.50s and loves it. as far as looks, it's one of the best looking TJs i've seen. ask to see some of his offroad pics, it truely looks like an awesome system.
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when your stock springs are still ok i see no reason to buy some other springs.
i have the stock springs with a 2" BB and a 2" BL with 32s. when i full flex (disco'd) all tires still rub a bit at the fender flares (yes there came bumpstop extensions with my skyjacker BB).

so i wouldn´t have any benefit of a better flexing spring lift suspension because my tires wouldn´t have more space for a better flexing than now.

the only thing is that the handling of the tj would become much better. man, the OME suspensions make you think you are sitting in another car. a friend has the 2.5" OME suspension. he flexes as well as me. but when i drive his car on the road instead of mine its like going form a 70s volkswagen to a modern mercedes S-class.

if there is enough money buy a spring suspension (OME is the best in my opinion). otherwise a BB and BL will be enough. and with non-stock shocks it´s not as bad as the stock tj.
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Does the 4.5" short-arm give you any probs?
No, I love it. It handles better than stock and its smooth on the highway I have no problems doin 80 on the interstate. The flex is great to.
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Nicolas Eric if you install bigger springs and longer shocks and good control arms your jeep will flex better a body lift in no way helps your Jeep flex better.
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I was leaning towards believing that the adjustable track bars were necessary if going to 4". But do you think they are worth the investment at +2"coil and 1" BL?

That is the difference between the "Deluxe" and "Ultimate" kits. About $360.00 for JKS Adj Trck Brs (front & rear). I assume the purpose is for tweaking alignment?
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I was leaning towards believing that the adjustable track bars were necessary if going to 4". But do you think they are worth the investment at +2"coil and 1" BL?

That is the difference between the "Deluxe" and "Ultimate" kits. About $360.00 for JKS Adj Trck Brs (front & rear). I assume the purpose is for tweaking alignment?
adjustable control arms keep the axle centered under the jeep. they allow you to fine tune it. im looking to do adjustable track bars now so i would go ahead and do it. it would be great to have them. but its not completely necessary if you don't mind the axle stickin out a tad farther on one side (its not a huge difference) because you can always buy them later. i'm at 2" coils and the rear axle is shifted towards the passenger side.
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the adj trac bars are recommended with the OME lift because you will gain more like 3" of lift...not 2" or 2.5". at 3" of lift, adj trac bars or brakcets become necessary. i personally have 2" spacers and a 1.25" BL and have no need for adj. trac bars. at 2" of suspension lift, you are generally pretty safe from extra issues and things to deal with. that one extra inch to 3" is where things get messier.....t-case lowering kits or SYE/CV DS, adj, trac bars, adj control arms, etc.
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adjustable control arms keep the axle centered under the jeep. they allow you to fine tune it. im looking to do adjustable track bars now so i would go ahead and do it. it would be great to have them. but its not completely necessary if you don't mind the axle stickin out a tad farther on one side (its not a huge difference) because you can always buy them later. i'm at 2" coils and the rear axle is shifted towards the passenger side.
Actually, Adjustable track bars allow you to adjust the axle position side to side in relation to the jeep. This allows you to fix the "one wheel sticking out further than the other" syndrome.

Adjustable control arms allow you to adjust the pinion angle of the differential. This helps reduce problems with vibration.
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Those OME kits are expensive as hell you can buy a high quality kit more complete than that for less money if you know where to look.
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Those OME kits are expensive as hell you can buy a high quality kit more complete than that for less money if you know where to look.
Well, I have the Ultimate kit, but I pieced it together over time. I have purchased several things from Dirk at DPG and he gave me great prices and shipping deals every time.

Are there more complete systems? Sure. Are there less priced systems? Sure. But the OME setup (along with the JKS) stuff, gave me the best bang for the buck I was looking to spend. What do these more complete kits have that the ultimate OME kit doesn't? I'd be very curious to know.

My decision process was this:

1. I did not want to piece it together with different brands. OME shocks and springs work together - that's the way they are designed. It will give a better ride than OME shocks with stock springs, IMO.

2. I will not be going any higher and didn't see the point of a long arm set up for MY wheeling wants and needs. With the lift, I actually got 3.25" of lift. WIth the 1.25" BL, my total lift is 4.5" which works out VERY well for my wheeling style. It doesn't make everything easy (that would be boring as heck), but it gives me the chance to face more obstacles too.

3. Initially this upgrade was to replace my sagging springs on my 97 and to get better shocks. My ride made me feel like I was riding a galloping pony down the road. I upgraded and lifted at the same time. My jeep is a toy and a daily driver, so on-road feel was a KEY factor. Not the only one, but the heaviest weighted one FOR ME. I don't know of or have heard of ANY lift system giving as good a ride as the OME, especially when I bought it nearly 2 years ago.

4. I researched RE and Rusty's when I was looking, and OME and JKS made the best sense for me. Combine the OME parts with the JKS parts I'm running (and will be running their Adj CA's too at some point), and I feel I have a very capable, comfortable, and strong rig in the suspension area. An all-around performer, both on the road and on the trail.

My wife told me to get the best I could get with the budget she and I worked out. Spending less for more parts that I didn't need or want at that time wasn't logical for either of us.

And I do have the D35.

THAT is a separate bill. After taking my wife wheeling, she said I needed to be taller with more power (I think she was referring to the Jeep, so I ran with it). The 2.5 wasn't getting any more power short of a V8 swap, SOOO, that left regearing and lockers to get the power to the right wheels. I upgraded to 4.88's, Yukon 35 30spline shafts, with an ARB in back and Lockright in front, knowing I'd be going to 33's. I got a great deal on the package setup and went for it.

With my 4cyl, I am not too worried about blowing the D35, as my wheeling style and engine really make me think it through instead of being a throttle jockey. It has been a WONDERFUL setup.
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IMO, all the kits on that site are expensive and not as complete as other kits I see. When you can spend $1800 on a lift with 8 new control arms, good shocks, sye and driveshaft. I would spend a little extra cash and get the more complete kit. Thats probably not the best example but I see kits more complete than that everywhere.
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Mike, so the main things you are seeing as lacking from the OME kits on DPG's site are the control arms and SYE/DS setup?

I'd agree that would be nice, but it also makes it very hard to do at once, as it was in my case. That is why I pieced it together using the same brands for stuff (OME and JKS only on my TJ) over the course of about 18 months.

And in many cases a SYE/DS isn't really needed by those going with a 2.5-3" lift of so, as the OME advertises. Yeah, sure, some do have vibes, as did I, but the MML took care of that with no issues at all.

I DO plan to add adj control arms and SYE/DS at some point as I DO want to do a bellyup (33 Engineering) at some point.

But, I like the fact that it didn't come with all that from the get-go because there would be no way in Hell that my wife would let me spend that kind of $$ at one time for parts for a vehicle I didn't pay that much more for in the first place.

Course with all my mods, I've probably spent a LOT more at this point, but my issue is spending it all at once isn't feasible for a LOT of people.

I'll let Dirk know about the idea of offering it with the CA's and SYE/DS setups as well as a Super Ultimate setup type of thing. If he sees a potential market for it, I don't see why he wouldn't want to do it (other than the measuring/ordering of the driveshaft).
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i was looking around to find some comparisons between the DPG OME/JKS "super ultimate" kit and some other reputible kits of equal lift height and components.

RE has the 3.5" superflex kit without shocks for about $1600. add $150 for an adj rear trac bar. add good shocks..+ $300. no need to add a BL because you will be plenty high for 33s. then you either need to drop the tcase or get a SYE/CV DS..$500 (not needed with the DPG kit).
a comparable system for full traction is the same.

so really, i think it's pretty much a wash. when you compare quality components like that, the prices for what you get are generally pretty similar + or - a couple bucks for paying for the name.
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...RE has the 3.5" superflex kit without shocks for about $1600. add $150 for an adj rear trac bar. add good shocks..+ $300. no need to add a BL because you will be plenty high for 33s. then you either need to drop the tcase or get a SYE/CV DS..$500 (not needed with the DPG kit).
a comparable system for full traction is the same.
I'm not sure where you are looking, but you can get the RE 3.5 Superflex kit for $879 with free shipping. And that includes DT3000 shocks. For $1,170, you can get the full kit, plus upgrade to the JKS discos, upgrade to adjustable front and rear control arms, and get an adjustable front track bar. There are also Shock upgrade options that range from $120 for OME's to $300 for RE Monotubes. The kit comes with the Transfer case drop kit and rear track bar relocation bracket. A SYE/CV DS set-up may or may not be necessary. I have a friend that runs this set-up without it. He was able to adjust out the vibes with the adjustable control arms.

I'm not slamming the OME kits, I think that they are great. But I think that the RE kits are a better buy for the money. Plus, RE has a long arm upgrade it that uses the majority of the SF parts for not a lot of money if you are thinking that you may eventually go that direction.

Just my opinion....
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Eric, mind posting a pic of your ride?

I'm also guessing that one of the reasons you got 3.5" out of the lift was that your coils/shocks where pretty worn out to begin with. Just guessing.
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Some of these were in my intro thread from yesterday...









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i was looking around to find some comparisons between the DPG OME/JKS "super ultimate" kit and some other reputible kits of equal lift height and components.

RE has the 3.5" superflex kit without shocks for about $1600. add $150 for an adj rear trac bar. add good shocks..+ $300. no need to add a BL because you will be plenty high for 33s. then you either need to drop the tcase or get a SYE/CV DS..$500 (not needed with the DPG kit).
a comparable system for full traction is the same.

so really, i think it's pretty much a wash. when you compare quality components like that, the prices for what you get are generally pretty similar + or - a couple bucks for paying for the name.
Thats crazy where did you find that. I Bought my RE 4.5 with shocks and a sye and ds for $1807, $1907 after shiping. That $1600 price for that is a rip off you can buy two of those kits with shocks from 4x4groupbuy for that price You gotta search for good deals.
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Actually, Adjustable track bars allow you to adjust the axle position side to side in relation to the jeep. This allows you to fix the "one wheel sticking out further than the other" syndrome.
so it does in fact let you center the axle because it puts it back to the center fixing the problem of having one tire stick out to far on one side.
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Actually, Adjustable track bars allow you to adjust the axle position side to side in relation to the jeep. This allows you to fix the "one wheel sticking out further than the other" syndrome.
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so it does in fact let you center the axle because it puts it back to the center fixing the problem of having one tire stick out to far on one side.
Sorry BigJeep, you were correct on that point in your previous post. I was trying to clarify the part about Adjustable Control Arms. Mea Culpa.
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Sorry BigJeep, you were correct on that point in your previous post. I was trying to clarify the part about Adjustable Control Arms. Mea Culpa.
no problem.

very nice pics up there^^ sweet jeep!
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BJ, thanks.

It is easy to get confused on CA's vs trackbars. Somebody told me that control arms keep the axle 'centered' front to rear and track bars keep them centered side to side and it had made sense ever since then.
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Thats crazy where did you find that. I Bought my RE 4.5 with shocks and a sye and ds for $1807, $1907 after shiping. That $1600 price for that is a rip off you can buy two of those kits with shocks from 4x4groupbuy for that price You gotta search for good deals.
I think for comparison sake you should post up your complete mod list of what you say you have for equal value to the other rip off people. If you know of a good place to get what is offered from DPG, OME, JKS, RE, FT, and others I'd like to know where to get some good deals for future jeeps I intend to work on.
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I think for comparison sake you should post up your complete mod list of what you say you have for equal value to the other rip off people. If you know of a good place to get what is offered from DPG, OME, JKS, RE, FT, and others I'd like to know where to get some good deals for future jeeps I intend to work on.
I know nothing about those other kits except for when everyone talks about them they are priced high. I would rather pay for a good kit with more parts than a good overpriced kit with less parts. Its nice to be able to piece a kit together as money comes but if you're gonna do it, I believe in saving and doing it right. Buy the time you finish piecing it together you wind spending a hell of a lot more money that could be used to add other stuff to your Jeep. I guess I think about the long run.
I see good deals in Jp magazines all the time then search the net and find even better ones. $x4groupbuy is the place I like I seem to find the best deals there. Then if you know a lot of people that need something you can request a groupbuy and save even more money.
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I know nothing about those other kits except...

That's what I thought. IF you don't know the comparison factor between certain products then don't belittle other companies products or what they offer. "I heard", or, "my buddy says" doesn't work. You say you got more for less. That rarely is the case in off road suspensions and I truly believe you get what you pay for. That being said...

When it boils down to it you can't compare apples to oranges. A JKS adjustable control arm highly outweighs a RE adjustable. Thus, the price difference. I still didn't see your mod list and specific prices on what you paid for them. If you want to nit pick then I can nit pick as well and compare as to how "complete" of a kit I think you have. You have done it for others so it is only fair.

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