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Old 05-21-2012, 10:47 AM   #1
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Question Lift help?

I know some one will give me crap but I couldn't find anything with the search tool or a google search. Sorry in advance.

So I got some money in my pocket from a new job and have decided to get a few thing for my jeep and a lift has popped up on the list. I have two in mind and I was hoping people could shed alittle light on either one.

Fisrt: Old Man Emu, I know people love that is one reason I am considering it. The heavy duty kit from them with the trimings.

Second: BDS 2" kit, I heard a alot of great reveiws from then and is cheaper but I would add the fox shocks that is optional. Plus it seems like they dont come with much extra.

It would be going on a 03 TJ Rubicon that does little wheeling.
So can I please here some opinion?
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Old 05-21-2012, 11:09 AM   #2
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either kit is fine, just make sure the bumpstop extensions are setup correctly. for example, the OME kit includes 0.8" bumpstop extensions, but you actually need ~1.25". here's a thread with more info.

additionally, the axles will be off center, so you may want to do something to correct that. you can do an adjustable front track bar, but beware you will run into tie-rod & diff cover vs track bar clearance issues. you can reinforce the stock mount by welding on some 1/8" plate, and then drill a new hole to make the stock track bar work. or you can cut the stock bar along a long straight section and sleeve it to extend its length...welding also required. read this thread here....the whole thing.

In the rear, if you use an adjustable track bar without a relocation bracket, you end up getting binding on the stock closed-top bracket. If you install a relocation bracket, you increase the stress on the stock mount and may rip it off (example here). The relocation bracket also pushes the track bar back and up slightly, which can cause interference with the frame during suspension travel. More info on that is here.

Remember, you're basically just buying springs and shocks either way you go. That's ok though, because no "kit" is 100% complete, and it's nothing more than a collection of components....and components can easily be put together separately. That's pretty much what I did...OME springs and shocks, homemade bumpstop extensions, and a bunch of other stuff to make it all work together. If you're interested in reading about setting up a small lift, I outlined all that stuff here.

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Old 05-21-2012, 11:19 AM   #3
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Thank you, wow didn't think of some of that. I knew about the front trac bar but not the rear. So you think I go cheaper and get the standard BDS kit and just throw in other peices as need?
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Old 05-21-2012, 11:25 AM   #4
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So you think I go cheaper and get the standard BDS kit and just throw in other peices as need?
no. regardless of brand or height, i think you need to look at what you will need to do to bring the suspension into good working condition. You need to read about what needs to be done to ensure the tires fit, the shocks don't bottom out, and what to expect on multiple levels.

In stock form, a whole team of pretty smart engineers put years into making it work. With any lift - you're changing geometry away from that. You need to use some common sense when it comes to analyzing what you're changing, and what the downstream consequences are and how to address those. It's not that challenging, but many people and aftermarket companies overlook simple steps that can make your vehicle perform even better than stock.

Do a thought experiment - crawl under your Jeep, lay on your back, and look at the front axle. Imagine it cycling up and down as you drive down the road. Imagine how each component is affected by this movement. What geometry is changing? What prevents the axle from hitting the oil pan? What prevents the shocks from bottoming out? What changes in the steering and alignment as the axle moves? Do the same for the rear.
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Old 05-21-2012, 11:30 AM   #5
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Ok I get what your getting at. Well thank you very much, you are very knowledgable
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