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Old 08-21-2013, 03:34 PM   #31
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Metalcloak, Currie, or JKS are great adjustable track bars. I'm about to order a JKS front. Would love to order Metalcloak but their lead time is weeks, screw that.... I don't care how nice it is. If they can't keep up with orders, why bother. Either grow with demand or sell the company to someone who knows when to expand a business.
Bump stops for 2" lift - I used 4 OME 20mm Bump Stop Extensions, $19.99 per pair from Quadratec (very easy install)
You clearly lack experience with any of them.....and I question how much you value balanced travel.

Do you have any idea how quickly the demand for that product rose? It went through the roof in the span of about a week....when previously, it was a very quiet, undervalued product. I'd like to see a company of their size stand up to that kind of demand growth without a delay. Much larger companies have had delays.

Come up with a better excuse man. That's piss poor.

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That Metal Cloak trackbar is sexy. All their products are quality. Same view I have for JKS. Provided I didn't need a trackbar today (bent on saturday, ordered off Amazon monday 1 day shipping from JKS and got on tuesday), I probably would have gone with the Metalcloak based on price only. 2-3 week wait, so what if you don't need it NOW?

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Returning to the topic at hand, I have a 2.5 OME lift and 1" browndog motor mount lift coupled with 1" body lift. I don't see any reason not to get the BL and MML. Have fun opening your kit from browndog, holy shit do they wrap those bastards up well.
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Any issues with the install or did it all go pretty smooth?
All went really smooth.. Very straight forward!
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All went really smooth.. Very straight forward!

Enjoy.
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Metalcloak, Currie, or JKS are great adjustable track bars. I'm about to order a JKS front. Would love to order Metalcloak but their lead time is weeks, screw that.... I don't care how nice it is. If they can't keep up with orders, why bother. Either grow with demand or sell the company to someone who knows when to expand a business.
Bump stops for 2" lift - I used 4 OME 20mm Bump Stop Extensions, $19.99 per pair from Quadratec (very easy install)
You do know they are in the process right now of moving into a much larger facility right? Their tb and price makes it more than worth the wait. The jks bar is actually a DOWNGRADE over stock in my book.
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You do know they are in the process right now of moving into a much larger facility right? Their tb and price makes it more than worth the wait. The jks bar is actually a DOWNGRADE over stock in my book.

Elaborate?
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Elaborate?
On what specifically?
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Ok, I'm sold on Metalcloak, but do i need a track bar drop, front or rear, with only a 2.5" suspension lift?
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Ok, I'm sold on Metalcloak, but do i need a track bar drop, front or rear, with only a 2.5" suspension lift?
No.
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No.
What about correcting driveline angles? Or castor on the upper control arms?
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What about correcting driveline angles? Or castor on the upper control arms?
I only ask cuz from what I can gather once you get to 3" of lift or more I know you have to start playing with all of that, the 2.5" from the lift is what is advertised, but I have a feeling I will get more. I have a soft top, stock bumpers, and not a whole lot of weight with the 2.4L 4 cyl
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Dang I didn't expect to learn so much from this thread! I figured there would be a heated debate! Keep it up, I'm getting a lot of driveline knowledge handed to me
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Ok, I'm sold on Metalcloak, but do i need a track bar drop, front or rear, with only a 2.5" suspension lift?
Why do you think you would need this?

In the front, anything you do with the track bar needs to be mocked on the drag link. If the mounting points for either one of those links are not parallel, you will experience bump steer due to the arc difference. There is absolutely no reason to drop either link and there are plenty of reasons not to, including clearance at the diff cover and tie rod.

Use the factory mounting brackets and factory pitman arm. Regardless of "lift height" the rules of geometry don't change. In regards to the rear track bar, use factory mounts unless you use a CV bracket. There is no drag link in the rear so you don't have to worry about maintaining parallelism with another link. The track bar also sets the roll center height so raising the axle mounting position isn't a bad thing in the rear, to an extent.
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What about correcting driveline angles? Or castor on the upper control arms?
Well, your transfer case output will go up with everything else that's directly or indirectly connected to the frame. So if your t-case outputs goes up 2.5" then your drive shafts will rest at a steeper angle. That height is about the threshold so you may or may not experience vibrations. There is an effective, cheap route you can go without losing any belly clearance by raising the motor mounts 1" and/or you can go the more effective, more expensive route by swapping out the factory slip yoke rear output with a fixed yoke via a slip yoke eliminator kit. You'll also need a double cardan drive shaft of the correct length and the ability to rotate the rear axle housing. You'll also need a bracket that rotates the axle end of the track bar.

Do you know what caster is? If not, research and learn. Your control arms just hold your axle in place. The length of the links determines the orientation of the axle housing, which in turn defines caster and pinion angle, which are inversely related. This is a subject that you need to understand.
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I only ask cuz from what I can gather once you get to 3" of lift or more I know you have to start playing with all of that, the 2.5" from the lift is what is advertised, but I have a feeling I will get more. I have a soft top, stock bumpers, and not a whole lot of weight with the 2.4L 4 cyl
You'll be on the threshold anyway. Regardless of "lift height" you'll need to address the driveline issues properly.
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Thanks for the great information and the quality spankin kids.
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You do know they are in the process right now of moving into a much larger facility right?
I did not know that and I appreciate the info.
I'll return to being a customer of theirs once the dust settles. Love their products and quality. Winter starts here in a few weeks and I work on vehicles outside. I ordered JKS because I am in need of a track bar NOW (current one is trashed). I didn't realize JKS is a "DOWNGRADE over stock" as NHO mentioned. Oh well, maybe I'll get a year or so out of that junky JKS track bar.
huh... learn something new every day, truly a wealth of information here.
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Miner,

He said that for good reason. The JKS track bar is no stronger than stock (stock is solid bar) and the JKS has poorer clearance than stock, Currie, and MC. The entire reason the Currie 9120 was developed is because people were bending JKS bars and the clearance at the diff cover was poor. JKS usedto manufacture Currie's track bars but now it's done in-house.....heat treated 4130 tube (no more bending) and an offset JJ to aid in clearance. Unless JKS has changed up some things then purchasing it really just doesn't make sense. Whether those will ever be problems for you can be debated but only you'll know that.

I ran an old JKS bar and was able to bend it and it also gave me clearance headaches. I moved to the 9120 and never bent it and the extra clearance was great (combined with some custom diff cover surgery). But I wanted to be able to use all of my available up travel so I decided to try the new MC track bar. And while the MC track bar's overall durability is still unknown, the clearance gains are not debatable. Until it fails on me, I'll consider it to be not only the best track bar on the market but also the best value.
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Awesome info again and thanks for explaining it (on NHO's behalf). If the JKS makes it thru winter I'll consider a Metalcoak to replace it in the springtime.
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Awesome info again and thanks for explaining it (on NHO's behalf). If the JKS makes it thru winter I'll consider a Metalcoak to replace it in the springtime.
Thanks much!
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Imped: BTW......thanks.....my LJ has been performing flawlessly in every aspect. And an update on the 6pak/ome 2933/2942 spring combo: Full 12" travel is capable on the front, and exactly 11" is possible on the rears(which is fine as it leaves a lil under 3/8" of travel at both ends of the shock stroke for clearance). So they end up being a perfect match.
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On what specifically?

I thought it was clear on what, but Imped went into it in his posts already. So thanks Imped.

The JKS one I got is only good for up to 3.5in lift. I'm going to 3.5 MC or 4" OME springs eventually and I'll replace then by default. Thanks for the info.

Currently ('05 Rubicon) on 31's with 2.5" Spring + 1"BL (OME Shocks/springs).

Up front I have: JKS trackbar and 4x Rokmen control arms
Rear: stock, except for bracket. On my floor I have JKS trackbar, CV relocation bracket, 4x Rockmen control arms ready to go in.

Other on my floor: Rokmen skid plate for tummy tuck... need to put that in, then do rear and measure for driveshaft.

From there... MC Fenders front and rear along with 35's. Then do 3.5-4" spring lift (OME or MC) and get another drive shaft and front trackbar (from MC thanks to this thread). New shocks of course, too. Either OME or MC there too, haven't decided yet, but I like yellow.
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You're kidding right? That's a pretty ignorant statement. Mc's require no extra bumpstops. .
Thanks for the kind words. I believe you may have misunderstood my bump stop recommendation.
Of course the MC trackbars "require no extra bumpstops". I recommended bump stop "extensions" which have nothing to do with the track bar issue.The OP was inquiring as to what size bump stop might be required for a 2" lift. I recommended 20mm OME bump stop "extensions". This is what NJO recommended to me when I installed my 2" and they seem to work well although I haven't experienced full flex or droop yet. They've only been in a short time.
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Thanks for the kind words. I believe you may have misunderstood my bump stop recommendation.
Of course the MC trackbars "require no extra bumpstops". I recommended bump stop "extensions" which have nothing to do with the track bar issue.The OP was inquiring as to what size bump stop might be required for a 2" lift. I recommended 20mm OME bump stop "extensions". This is what NJO recommended to me when I installed my 2" and they seem to work well although I haven't experienced full flex or droop yet. They've only been in a short time.
its really impossible to tell an exact length, ball park maybe, but you should cycle your suspension to get the proper bumpstop length
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its really impossible to tell an exact length, ball park maybe, but you should cycle your suspension to get the proper bumpstop length
yup... I'll get around to it
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... and just a quick follow-up regarding Metalcloak trackbar comments. I didn't mean to start a Metalcloak fire or derail this thread but glad my comments sparked a little debate and I learned that Metalcloak is expanding, that's good news. I already knew they were top shelf products. Perhaps I should have inquired prior to ranting about their slow turnaround time.
I ordered one from them today (front) which will replace the JKS. It will ship in 2-3 weeks. As soon as it arrives I will remove the JKS and retire it as a fancy fire poker.

(haha, actually I have a friend who could use it)
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... and to eat my words even further
Only hours after placing my order with Metalcloak online today I received a phone call from them to inform me that the trackbar is going to ship within the next coupe of days.
All I can say is WOW, 5 stars all around.... and sincere apologies to Metalcloak regarding my earlier rant.
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... and to eat my words even further
Only hours after placing my order with Metalcloak online today I received a phone call from them to inform me that the trackbar is going to ship within the next coupe of days.
All I can say is WOW, 5 stars all around.... and sincere apologies to Metalcloak regarding my earlier rant.
Mc rocks......they have always taken care of me well. You will love their tb.
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To add......sell that jks tb while u can.
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Glad you're happy with the tb purchase. And I didn't mean to be an ass. Just was trying to say that I thought the product was well worth the wait. I'm hopefully getting one soon to replace my JKS one.
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With only 2.5" of lift though, I'm not sure from what I have read that the stock track bar is just fine and I don't need to get a new one. I will be getting bump stop extensions though
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It's possible that the saying "each Jeep is different" may be somewhat true on the trackbar issue regarding a lift under 3".... that's what I thought after doing research. So I installed a 2" lift... Coils, Shocks, Rear Trackbar Relocation Bracket, (and bump extensions). Figured that was all I would need. Well, with the Rear TB relocation Bracket installed the rear trackbar went into place like butter, very nice fit. The stock front TB was a royal pain in the arse however and I was never able to seat it well enough to feel comfortable. Got the crown nut back on but the joint was off axis. Adjustable TB for mine anyway. Axle wants to move toward the driver's side the higher you lift. The Metalcloak adjustable TB was only $159. JKS was more expensive.

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