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Old 08-24-2013, 09:40 PM   #61
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It's possible that the saying "each Jeep is different" may be somewhat true on the trackbar issue regarding a lift under 3".... that's what I thought after doing research. So I installed a 2" lift... Coils, Shocks, Rear Trackbar Relocation Bracket, (and bump extensions). Figured that was all I would need. Well, with the Rear TB relocation Bracket installed the rear trackbar went into place like butter, very nice fit. The stock front TB was a royal pain in the arse however and I was never able to seat it well enough to feel comfortable. Got the crown nut back on but the joint was off axis. Adjustable TB for mine anyway. Axle wants to move toward the driver's side the higher you lift. The Metalcloak adjustable TB was only $159. JKS was more expensive.
So basically, just throw the lift on, see how it lines up, and make adjustments from there? It's not my daily driver so if it's down while waiting for parts, not the end of the world

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The question was a fair one and plenty of people are interested in the answer.
This is a technical forum, and if you're not answering the question in a helpful way there's no reason for you to respond, even if you desire to share your opinion.
I'm glad that many were helpful here, it shows the community is a supportive one as a while. There's no justification for the responses that serve only to share a negative opinion and aren't helpful in any way.

I am a long time forum owner, administrator, and moderator, and also a new Jeep owner which was already lifted (spring spacers and a body lift, gasp!) when I bought it. I'd love to do some rock crawling but flat boring south Florida has other ideas. So for the time being I'm enjoying it as a fun commuter and beach cruiser and there's nothing wrong with that at all. This was a helpful and interesting thread to me and plenty others I'm sure, thanks to those who provided helpful responses.

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The question was a fair one and plenty of people are interested in the answer.
This is a technical forum, and if you're not answering the question in a helpful way there's no reason for you to respond, even if you desire to share your opinion.
I'm glad that many were helpful here, it shows the community is a supportive one as a while. There's no justification for the responses that serve only to share a negative opinion and aren't helpful in any way.

I am a long time forum owner, administrator, and moderator, and also a new Jeep owner which was already lifted (spring spacers and a body lift, gasp!) when I bought it. I'd love to do some rock crawling but flat boring south Florida has other ideas. So for the time being I'm enjoying it as a fun commuter and beach cruiser and there's nothing wrong with that at all. This was a helpful and interesting thread to me and plenty others I'm sure, thanks to those who provided helpful responses.
Thank you. If anyone takes the time to see the area I'm located in, south east Wisconsin, not a whole lot of wheeling options less than 4 hours away. Not a practical trip on a regular basis, much like flat Florida (btroll) and its not feasible to create a crawler that will never get used to its full potential... So we gonna get back to the advice and experience part of this forum?
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So basically, just throw the lift on, see how it lines up, and make adjustments from there? It's not my daily driver so if it's down while waiting for parts, not the end of the world
Somewhat, yes. Such as vibes, and trackbars totally.
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By far the biggest brat in this thread is you, but you seem to keep trying to justify yourself... just stop digging that hole already.
You want to bust balls in off topic or some other non-tech section of the forum then have at it if thats what gets your jollies off, but recognize what the purpose of a tech forum is.

I'll stop now since I'm also not contributing to the thread at this point and I don't want to detract further from the subject at hand. I just hope that you and other members realize that everyone has different uses and goals for their Jeeps and they're all ok. You do your thing, and let everyone else do theirs.
X1 I welcome any advice you may have, seeing as how our intents with our jeeps are similar. Thanks
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X2 I welcome any advice you may have, seeing as how our intents with our jeeps are similar. Thanks
Sorry, on my phone
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I got nothing :-P just looking for information... Always looking for information... You know the valuable useful kind... Not that other kind, ya know the smart@$$ stuff :-X
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So for real now, what is the main purpose of the track bar? From what I can tell it keeps the axle aligned under the vehicle. When you lift the axle tends to shift to the side. So the track bar recenters it? Right?
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So for real now, what is the main purpose of the track bar? From what I can tell it keeps the axle aligned under the vehicle. When you lift the axle tends to shift to the side. So the track bar recenters it? Right?
yes. the problem with most is clearance issues with diff covers and steering components.

thats the biggest reason MC's track bar is flying off the shelves right now.
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yes. the problem with most is clearance issues with diff covers and steering components.

thats the biggest reason MC's track bar is flying off the shelves right now.
That is the one I was looking at, and very good price too. I have head both ways regarding drop brackets for track bars. Are they necessary front/back/both? Also getting a track bar for front and rear? Again, main purpose of lift will not be for wheeling, but I still want it to be functional, perform, and not cause more issues than it needs to
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That is the one I was looking at, and very good price too. I have head both ways regarding drop brackets for track bars. Are they necessary front/back/both? Also getting a track bar for front and rear? Again, main purpose of lift will not be for wheeling, but I still want it to be functional, perform, and not cause more issues than it needs to
wheeling or not, quality parts will give you a quality ride for a long time with little to no maint

do not do drop brackets for pitman arm or track bar up front

a rear track bar bracket can recenter your rear axle without changing much else
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Based on your criteria I would go with the OME 2.5" lift. Quality springs and great ride.
I also agree. I bought this one personally because they tailor each lift to the specific vehicle. They also pay as much attention to on road as they do to off road.
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wheeling or not, quality parts will give you a quality ride for a long time with little to no maint

do not do drop brackets for pitman arm or track bar up front

a rear track bar bracket can recenter your rear axle without changing much else
So up front fine with just the mc adj tb. Drop bracket in the rear.
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So up front fine with just the mc adj tb. Drop bracket in the rear.
Its a track bar relocation bracket in the rear, not a drop bracket, but yes
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With only 2.5" of lift though, I'm not sure from what I have read that the stock track bar is just fine and I don't need to get a new one. I will be getting bump stop extensions though
Here is how I look at it:

In the front.....UNDER 2" stick with the stock TB(And a new one from Autozone or whoever is not a BAD idea)

Over 2" Then the chromo Metal Cloak TB is KING, especially at the dirt cheap price of $150......half what some of the other companies charge.

Rear: 2-2.5" lift range stock is best with an OME trackbar relocation bracket. (Definetly get a new rear stock TB if you rear one has any significant age on it, the stock TB bushings wear out fast, especially from the elements). This is assuming no pinion angle change on the rear axle.

But once the rear pinion angle gets changed(for like a SYE/DS kit)then it gets a lil fuzzy.........
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Here is how I look at it:

In the front.....UNDER 2" stick with the stock TB(And a new one from Autozone or whoever is not a BAD idea)

Over 2" Then the chromo Metal Cloak TB is KING, especially at the dirt cheap price of $150......half what some of the other companies charge.

Rear: 2-2.5" lift range stock is best with an OME trackbar relocation bracket. (Definetly get a new rear stock TB if you rear one has any significant age on it, the stock TB bushings wear out fast, especially from the elements). This is assuming no pinion angle change on the rear axle.

But once the rear pinion angle gets changed(for like a SYE/DS kit)then it gets a lil fuzzy.........
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I'm also a non hardcore wheeler but I like my rig to look good and if need be I can get to where I have to go. I had a RC 2.5" lift with blown shocks and it road decent. ( I know everyone criticizes RC, but 90% of the time they never had one, just read it somewhere.) I recently was searching craigslist and came across a guy that was selling a set of 2" BDS coils from his rig for $50 so I figured WTH, for that price I'm not loosing anything. I popped the coils in, replaced the 2 rear shocks with new RC ones and couldn't be happier with the ride. Trackbars are stock. I did have to do a t-case drop which I rednecked with washers and longer bolts. (I'm on a budget it works for me). I do need to get longer sway bar links though, but that'll come in time. This is my dd and up to 75 on the highway its smooth as glass. All in all for an under $150 build, I'm not complaining.
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I'm also a non hardcore wheeler but I like my rig to look good and if need be I can get to where I have to go. I had a RC 2.5" lift with blown shocks and it road decent. ( I know everyone criticizes RC, but 90% of the time they never had one, just read it somewhere.) I recently was searching craigslist and came across a guy that was selling a set of 2" BDS coils from his rig for $50 so I figured WTH, for that price I'm not loosing anything. I popped the coils in, replaced the 2 rear shocks with new RC ones and couldn't be happier with the ride. Trackbars are stock. I did have to do a t-case drop which I rednecked with washers and longer bolts. (I'm on a budget it works for me). I do need to get longer sway bar links though, but that'll come in time. This is my dd and up to 75 on the highway its smooth as glass. All in all for an under $150 build, I'm not complaining.
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on the subject of mml, looking at brown dog, prolly gonna go with the rubberized ones, they seem to decrease vibes and noises coming from the engine. main thing i need to know, is what the effects of a 1" versus a 2" will be? they are about the same in price, a few bux difference... would i be better off going with a 2" mml since im goin up 2.5-3"...? or would it be counter-productive, harmful for any reason...?
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on the subject of mml, looking at brown dog, prolly gonna go with the rubberized ones, they seem to decrease vibes and noises coming from the engine. main thing i need to know, is what the effects of a 1" versus a 2" will be? they are about the same in price, a few bux difference... would i be better off going with a 2" mml since im goin up 2.5-3"...? or would it be counter-productive, harmful for any reason...?
Stick with 1" bl with 1" mml........you want body and engine lift to be same. And anything more than a 1" Mml and your now looking at doing new engine brackets as well.
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on the subject of mml, looking at brown dog, prolly gonna go with the rubberized ones, they seem to decrease vibes and noises coming from the engine. main thing i need to know, is what the effects of a 1" versus a 2" will be? they are about the same in price, a few bux difference... would i be better off going with a 2" mml since im goin up 2.5-3"...? or would it be counter-productive, harmful for any reason...?

I got the rubber. The vibrations are different, and I like the feel better now, but I wouldn't characterize them as really reducing anything. 1 inch is what you want.
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Stick with 1" bl with 1" mml........you want body and engine lift to be same. And anything more than a 1" Mml and your now looking at doing new engine brackets as well.

I got the new brackets too, that install sucked.
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I got the new brackets too, that install sucked.
Shouldnt have been hard.......easy to do with fenders removed and a floorjack under the oilpan.
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I got the rubber. The vibrations are different, and I like the feel better now, but I wouldn't characterize them as really reducing anything. 1 inch is what you want.
Goin with rubber minimizes the vibes......but the engine flexes less with them......so you feel how the engine responds a bit more.... .but not a bad thing.......whats nice is less flex and rocking through the tranny n tc.
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So go with the 1" mml, take her for a spin and see if I get vibes. If I do them just shim down the transfer case as much as necessary...
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So go with the 1" mml, take her for a spin and see if I get vibes. If I do them just shim down the transfer case as much as necessary...
You are doin this with a 1" bl right... .? ...best to do both together.......
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You might not even need a MML... I didn't with a 2" SL, no vibes. No TC drop either.
Maybe with BL you need to do MML? I've never done a BL or really looked into it yet.
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You are doin this with a 1" bl right... .? ...best to do both together.......
Most likely not doing body lift. Only have 31" tires, with 2.5" suspension might look a little awkward. And I have an electric fan, not on pulley, so I don't have to worry about that lining up. I have to replace a broken motor mount anyway. So was just gonna do a 1" to future proof it

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