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Old 02-21-2012, 04:41 PM   #1
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lift kit help!

I want to put a lift on my jeep but i also need it as my daily driver and ive been thinking on what size lift i should do. Either a 2.5 inch or just a 3 inch lift. also my other question is i don't know what i should get. Here is what i am looking at.
here is the first link its these two skyjackers which are a 2 inch spacer lift.
Skyjacker Standard 2 inch Spacer Lift Kit with Shocks - Quadratec
here is the seconded link which is a Daystar 3 inch comfort ride lift kit with shocks.
Daystar KJ09126BK - Daystar 3" Comfort Ride Lift Kit with Shocks for 97-06 Jeep® Wrangler TJ & Unlimited - Quadratec

If anyone has any other suggestions please leave a link or some type of help.
Thanks Everyone

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Old 02-21-2012, 05:13 PM   #2
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Check out the www.zoneoffroad.com they have got everything from 2" spacer lift to the 4.25" combo lift (3'' springs and a 1.25'' body lift)

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Check out the www.zoneoffroad.com they have got everything from 2" spacer lift to the 4.25" combo lift (3'' springs and a 1.25'' body lift)
okay but what would be better spacer or the combo lift i really dont know what the difference is between them?
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Depends the spacers are fine if your stock springs are in good shape and not sagging, I wouldn't go over 2" with spacers

The 3" springs in the combo kit would be better if you have an old Jeep with a lot of miles and saggy springs

Lots of people on here have the spacer lifts and have no problems. I just put a 1.75" spacer on mine with stock shocks, but I don't off road much. So it depends on how much wheeling you do which lift will be better for you.
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Depends the spacers are fine if your stock springs are in good shape and not sagging, I wouldn't go over 2" with spacers

The 3" springs in the combo kit would be better if you have an old Jeep with a lot of miles and saggy springs

Lots of people on here have the spacer lifts and have no problems. I just put a 1.75" spacer on mine with stock shocks, but I don't off road much. So it depends on how much wheeling you do which lift will be better for you.
well my jeeps a 2000 and its got 140xxx miles on it and i do go off roading but not like every weekend i go like two or three times a month if the weather is good and i dont think i have saggy springs i dont bounce around at all while driving
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i just took this skyjacker lift off of my jeep and went with the zone lift. Didnt have any problems with it. If your intereseted shoot me a pm and maybe we can work out a cheap price to atleast get you started without spending an arm and leg.
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Old 02-21-2012, 08:49 PM   #7
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i just got the 3" zone lift kit,, my friend has had it in his jeep for a lil over month. i have to say, ITS PERFECT! IMHO get that,, if ur interested, let me know and i can hook you up with the guy i bought it from. veryy good prices!
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Old 02-21-2012, 09:21 PM   #8
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well heres another thing i talk to a buddy of mine who is puttin a lift on his jeep and he said if you go anything above a 2 in lift you will have to
extending brake lines and the yoke slip eliminator so is this true if i went with a 3in lift?
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Old 02-21-2012, 09:27 PM   #9
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According to all the research I've done, that would be playing it extremely safe. In most cases you dont need a SYE until you have a suspension lift greater than 3". And you should be fine with brake lines
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Hold on. The higher you go, you either need an SYE or need to drop the transfer case. Dropping the t case is the cheaper option, but kind of defeats the purpose of the lift to some extent. Some get vibrations with 2 inches of lift and some don't. At 3 inches you will have no other choice but need and SYE or drop the t case.
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Hold on. The higher you go, you either need an SYE or need to drop the transfer case. Dropping the t case is the cheaper option, but kind of defeats the purpose of the lift to some extent. Some get vibrations with 2 inches of lift and some don't. At 3 inches you will have no other choice but need and SYE or drop the t case.
I forgot to mention that you would need a mml (and a bl?), but a transfer case drop would essentially do the same. And dont forget that I said "most" of the time. Some people get lucky, some don't. I've read a lot of good reviews of zones 4.25 combo lift, and it seems like 90% of the people do not get any vibes.
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Old 02-21-2012, 09:55 PM   #12
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I have the Zone combo lift with no vibes. The kit is nice and I was able to install it by myself. It was a PITA but I did it. It also has nice hight.
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I have the Zone combo lift with no vibes. The kit is nice and I was able to install it by myself. It was a PITA but I did it. It also has nice hight.
Thanks for chiming in. When my time comes up, this is the route I'll take.
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okay thanks for all the help. this may sound dumb but what is a mml and bl. is the bl just brake line? and how would i know for sure if i did or didn't need a syk or not if i went with a 3 inch lift? and same thing for the brake lines?
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MML is motor mount lift. BL is body lift.

Do yourself a favor and crawl under your jeep. When you lift it, you change the geometry of everything. The drive shafts are short on the Jeep and the angles change. This can and will cause drive train vibrations which eventually cause failures.

The actual amount of lift that causes vibrations varies from jeep to jeep. For one thing, not all lifts are created equal and the height of the lift may vary.

To fix the problem you can either drop the transfer case, or install an SYE or a Slip Yoke Eliminator. Dropping the t case is simple and cheap. The SYE is the more correct way but costs a lot more.
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MML is motor mount lift. BL is body lift.

Do yourself a favor and crawl under your jeep. When you lift it, you change the geometry of everything. The drive shafts are short on the Jeep and the angles change. This can and will cause drive train vibrations which eventually cause failures.

The actual amount of lift that causes vibrations varies from jeep to jeep. For one thing, not all lifts are created equal and the height of the lift may vary.

To fix the problem you can either drop the transfer case, or install an SYE or a Slip Yoke Eliminator. Dropping the t case is simple and cheap. The SYE is the more correct way but costs a lot more.
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so in the end i would have to get 3 things? the lift its slef, MML, and a BL?
and what kind of failures could be cause from the vibrations?
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so in the end i would have to get 3 things? the lift its slef, MML, and a BL?
and what kind of failures could be cause from the vibrations?
The combo kit comes with all that.

Drive line vibrations would cause the u joints to fail and if you didn't catch them you could lose the drive shaft and tear up a whole lot of stuff.

Get the lift kit on and see how I drive you will be able to feel the vibrations, if you get vibrations drop transfer case key down a little bit at a time until you can get 'em to stop
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What he said.

Think about it line this....the higher you go, the more stuff you have to upgrade. Generally speaking, at 2" you don't have to upgrade anything else. Just springs and shocks, or spacers and shocks. Possibly you may need to relocate the rear axle a small amount. I did on mine.

At 2.5" you are more likely to get vibrations so dropping the t case 1/2" or so is a no brainer.

At 3", you will run into more issues. By the time you hit 4" you are looking at upgrading nearly every suspension component if you want to get it right.

You can either lift the entire jeep to get more ground clearance, or just lift the body. When you lift the body, it serves no purpose that I can think of but to run bigger tires. I don't like the way they look, but that's just my opinion.

It is very common for owners to do both. It just depends on what you are after.
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How is your acceptance level of mediocrity? That's a better metric to use on how much you'll spend on your suspension and drivetrain. Regardless of if you're going up 2.5" or 4", it doesn't matter. If you're after true performance and don't care for crappy clearance under the belly, there's a whole lot more to it than just slapping some "Billy Bob's 4x4 sweet ass 3" lift kit" under it and driving away.

The spacer kits your linked to in your first post provide extra clearance for tires.....and that's it. You don't gain any travel out of the suspension, you lose wheelbase, you shift the axles, and you generally screw up the squat characteristics. It's as basic as you can get and aside from allowing you to fit bigger tires to look cool in the parking lot, it'll do no good for you.
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Very good point. But if that is what the owner wants, than that is ok.

Frankly, as I drive around and see lifts, I never judge. Ugly rims? I judge.

I went down the same debate as the OP and came to the conclusion that 2" was enough, I did not want hockey pucks, I needed new shocks anyway, so I went with a spring lift from BDS.
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i dont want a body lift i feel that that would be a waste of my time becuse i do go off roading and i want more ground clearance so i want a suspesion lift so the whole jeep lifts up
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i dont want a body lift i feel that that would be a waste of my time becuse i do go off roading and i want more ground clearance so i want a suspesion lift so the whole jeep lifts up
What about the transfer case skid?
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What about the transfer case skid?
will that still allow me to get more ground cllearence when off roading?
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will that still allow me to get more ground cllearence when off roading?
I don't think you're picking up what I'm throwing down.

Carry on.
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i dont want a body lift i feel that that would be a waste of my time becuse i do go off roading and i want more ground clearance so i want a suspesion lift so the whole jeep lifts up
Remember what the OP's said.

If you do the 3" SL you will need to either drop the transfer case down or raise the motor up to correct the drive line angles. Dropping the case will lower your ground clearance by x amout of inches and no BL is required. Raise the motor 1" and you will need to have a BL because now you have litfed your fan up, which will now contact the fan shroud.

Now playing devils advocate even more I have seen threads where owners who have done the lift have needed BOTH the MML and the T-case drop to get rid of the vibrations. Each jeep is different and the bad part is only about 1/3 of the posters who said they needed the MML only, or the T_drop only, or both had the year of the Jeep they owned in their profile or sig.

Didn't help me a hell of alot. I am hopefully going to put my Zone combo kit on next weekend and post my results for vibration issues a week or so later. I only will be using the MML and my jeep stats are in my sig.
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Remember what the OP's said.

If you do the 3" SL you will need to either drop the transfer case down or raise the motor up to correct the drive line angles. Dropping the case will lower your ground clearance by x amout of inches and no BL is required. Raise the motor 1" and you will need to have a BL because now you have litfed your fan up, which will now contact the fan shroud.

Now playing devils advocate even more I have seen threads where owners who have done the lift have needed BOTH the MML and the T-case drop to get rid of the vibrations. Each jeep is different and the bad part is only about 1/3 of the posters who said they needed the MML only, or the T_drop only, or both had the year of the Jeep they owned in their profile or sig.

Didn't help me a hell of alot. I am hopefully going to put my Zone combo kit on next weekend and post my results for vibration issues a week or so later. I only will be using the MML and my jeep stats are in my sig.
Yeah im talking to someone who has the zone 3" kit and im looking at maybe getting something like that but idk if i really want a 3inch lift. but he says it comes with everything you need, Nitro shocks, springs, rear t-bar bracket, front and rear sway bar links, and tcase drop.. i asked if it came with everything i would need and he says yes but not the tools i would just have to go get them. my major thing im worried about is running into a problem with extending break-lines or extending the yoke slip eliminator. if only life could be easier lol also another problem is money im saving the money to buy the lift and most likely put it on myself and i feel that there will be a problem ill run into and im not made of money at the moment but yeah thats just a factor

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