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Old 12-17-2012, 03:34 AM   #1
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lift kit(s) and tires for 2004 TJ Rubicon

I realize that this is redundant so I will try to make this as painless as possible, lol.

I have a 2004 TJ Rubicon. I like the Rubicon rims (16") that are on there (see profile gallery). I am not a a rock climber, not a serious mudder, not 'hard core 'or whatever...... Yep, I'm more of a poser. I just like to cruise on forest service roads, run around in the desert, go camping, use it for transportation, etc. I will probably get around to being more aggressive with my Rubi over time, when I can afford to damage/repair it but not now. However............

I WANT IT TO LOOK COOL !! ha ha......... uhhhhh, seriously though.

So, my question is:

I was thinking of a 2-3" suspension lift and wondering how big of a tire can I put on the 16" stock Rubi rims? Will putting oversized tires (p265? larger?) on these rims look good with the 2-3" lift or do I have to put on 33's to make it all look right and in proper proportion? I don't really like it when you see an excessive amount of wheel well area between the top of the tires and the fenders. Plus, I don't want to lift it too high or I won't be able to get my fat ass up in it.

Any ideas if there are photos/websites anywhere to get an idea of what different lift kits and different tire combinations will look like? Or maybe some profiles of fellow members on here that I may want to check out to get some ideas?

Sorry about all this......I know this one has been beat to death. Maybe someone can just reference me to a couple of threads they are aware of.

Thanks for any and all input.

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Old 12-17-2012, 05:23 AM   #2
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I got 4 inchs of lift and that fits 33 but i will tell you this with the jeeps little lip before you get in the jeep it made it hard for most of my friends to get in the jeep now im a mid range guy on weight 180 ish pounds and if i dont have nerf bars on i just jump in
And if you want to stay in the cheap side look into 2 inch lifts coil spacers new shocks the best thing to do is use the search button here and look at all the reviews on lifts tires backspacing there are so many good resources here and as a word of advice anything that jerry has posted on is always good info hope this helps you and good luck with your build post pics
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Old 12-17-2012, 06:34 AM   #3
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How much do you want to spend, including installation if you are not going to do yourself?

If all you are doing it for, is for looks, a budget boost sounds like what would be good for you.
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:37 AM   #4
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I'd go with a 2" BB. 1.25" BL, and 1" MML. You will get some lift but it'll only be about $350 without installation if you do it yourself.
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:59 AM   #5
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If money is no problem the other end of the spectrum is a 4 inch savvy/currie lift kit. It runs about 2,000 but you'll need more components to make a 4 inch system work well. Another cheaper/ still expensive option is DPG's OME/JKS lift kit (2.5 inch lift and 1.25 inch body lift). It runs 1500 without the control arms included.
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Thanks for the posts so far. Anyone else care to weigh in?
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Old 12-20-2012, 11:57 AM   #7
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Here's a website that has Wrangler pictures arranged by model, then lift height and then tire size. One man's "cool" is another man's lame, so you should decide for yourself what looks right to you.
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Here's 4 inch with 35's. I am Handicapped with a bad back and am 5 10. and weigh way past big. I make it in.
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Old 12-20-2012, 06:05 PM   #9
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Gunner....like the look you have. That will be one to consider, for sure.

jeepdude2003, like yours too. Always thought that gold color looked really sharp and surprised I don't see more wranglers that color.

edge98208....thanks a bunch for that website. I took a quick look at it but will look at it more closely in the next day or two. thanx again!
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Old 12-20-2012, 08:22 PM   #10
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i have a 4" suspension lift and I have 35s.. one of the reasonings why i bought 35s was bc they were cheaper than 33s...
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i have a 4" suspension lift and I have 35s.. one of the reasonings why i bought 35s was bc they were cheaper than 33s...
are those 35s kinda tight in the wheel wells when flexing. I currently have 4.5 inches of lift and narrow 33s and trying to decide to upgrade or not.
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Assuming a 2" lift, the biggest tire you can fit on the stock moabs due to the backspacing is a 265/75R16 (just under 32"). To go up to 285/75R16 (just under 33") you need spacers or you'll rub the lower control arms and lose turning radius.

Another thing to think about is tire prices for 15" vs. 16" rims. 33" tires are generally much cheaper than a 285/75/R16. I also have an 04 rubi and decided to go with 33" tires on new 15" rims. The price was surprisingly comparable to keeping my stock moabs and buying spacers and the more expensive metric tire size.
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Assuming a 2" lift, the biggest tire you can fit on the stock moabs due to the backspacing is a 265/75R16 (just under 32"). To go up to 285/75R16 (just under 33") you need spacers or you'll rub the lower control arms and lose turning radius.

Another thing to think about is tire prices for 15" vs. 16" rims. 33" tires are generally much cheaper than a 285/75/R16. I also have an 04 rubi and decided to go with 33" tires on new 15" rims. The price was surprisingly comparable to keeping my stock moabs and buying spacers and the more expensive metric tire size.
did you still have to use spacers for the 15" rims w/ 33's?

how much a lift did you use? did you also do a body lift?
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I ran 285x75x16 tires on my 04 rubicon with 2" coil spacers and adjusted the steering stops to negate tire rub on the control arms. I never offroaded this setup thus it was fine for the street.
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Just remember those large 16" tires come at a price . I switched to 15" 33s because I didn't want a heavy load range D or E rated tire that is made for a 3/4 ton truck after doing all that I have done to maintain a great ride when all is said and done . I like the looks of the OE wheel also but it would of been to counter productive for me
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jontay Not to steal your thread. But I'm in the same boat as you. I want to keep my stock 16" rims and do not want the lift to look too big for the tire size.
I have found through research on this forum that a 2" lift be spacers or springs will accommodate 265/75/16 tires without any rub with bump stop extensions. This is what I will be doing when the weather gets warmer. I will be going with spacers and new shocks and 265/75/16 duratracs. Then if I feel I want or need more I will add 1.25 body lift.
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I went with a 2" BDS spring and shock lift, then replaced stock tires with an 80-series GY 255/80R-16 which got me an honest 32" tire. I don't do mud or sand so I like "tall and skinny" tires to dig in. About the same width as stock 225/75R so no rub. Very happy
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I also did the BDS 2inch spring setup, and I like the look of the stock rubicon wheel so here is the 2inch lift and 265/75/16 I'm happy w it I'm not a crazy off-roader and it looks nice I am looking to put in a 1in BL and also thinking about getting some 255/85/16 I know people say they are to thin, but I've yet to see one in person.

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I ran 285x75x16 tires on my 04 rubicon with 2" coil spacers and adjusted the steering stops to negate tire rub on the control arms. I never offroaded this setup thus it was fine for the street.
did you have to install wheel spacers to extend your wheels out a little wider?

from what I understand from talking to many: it's significantly safer going with wheel spacers (wider stance) if you install a lift and/or taller tires otherwise, the jeep is too tall with the stock stance thus, vehicle can roll over far too easy.

any thoughts on this?
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I also did the BDS 2inch spring setup, and I like the look of the stock rubicon wheel so here is the 2inch lift and 265/75/16 I'm happy w it I'm not a crazy off-roader and it looks nice I am looking to put in a 1in BL and also thinking about getting some 255/85/16 I know people say they are to thin, but I've yet to see one in person.

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to me, that looks like a nice, clean set-up. tires don't look too small nor does the lift look too tall. looks proportional....in my eyes.

what does BDS stand for? So, is that basically 2" coil spacers that you installed?

was the overall "smoothness of the ride" or overall handling compromised at all?

I agree with you. I previously lived in a very deep snow environment (Sierras) and most everyone used a tall, thin tire on their 4x4's.
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I went with a 2" BDS spring and shock lift, then replaced stock tires with an 80-series GY 255/80R-16 which got me an honest 32" tire. I don't do mud or sand so I like "tall and skinny" tires to dig in. About the same width as stock 225/75R so no rub. Very happy
pcwolf, sorry if this is redundant. I posted this to superhero2005 and I actually meant it for the both of you....

to me, that looks like a nice, clean set-up. tires don't look too small nor does the lift look too tall. looks proportional....in my eyes.

what does BDS stand for? So, is that basically 2" coil spacers that you installed?

was the overall "smoothness of the ride" or overall handling compromised at all?

I agree with you. I previously lived in a very deep snow environment (Sierras) and most everyone used a tall, thin tire on their 4x4's.
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BDS is the business name, I think it stands for something like "Bad Dog Suspension" ... they are American business based up in Michigan and most people consider them second tier manufacturers of lifts behind Savvy or OME (Old Man Emu - Australian). But they are affordable.

I got a 2" lift for about $350 if I remember right, and it was new taller stiffer springs and shocks to match. I highly recommend this over spring spacers. I think my ride is much IMPROVED ... stiffer, yes, but I don't slow down over RR crossings anymore and I hear "stuff" working underneath but the seat of the pants ride is smooth and steady.

There is also a 1/2" body spacer lift installed on my rig so I could get a Rokmen gastank skid tucked up into it.

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pcwolf, sorry if this is redundant. I posted this to superhero2005 and I actually meant it for the both of you....

to me, that looks like a nice, clean set-up. tires don't look too small nor does the lift look too tall. looks proportional....in my eyes.

what does BDS stand for? So, is that basically 2" coil spacers that you installed?

was the overall "smoothness of the ride" or overall handling compromised at all?

I agree with you. I previously lived in a very deep snow environment (Sierras) and most everyone used a tall, thin tire on their 4x4's.
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Forgot to add: If you go with skinny, remember when everyone else "airs down" for traction your sidewall/treadwidth ratio won't permit you to go as low as the fat soft kind. I only air down to about 18psi otherwise I'll break the bead seal.
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Sorry. Zone 3" with 285/75/16 falken rock mountains ( wild peaks)
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If I was driving on snow and ice, I'd have a set of studded Toyo M55's on stock wheels for the winter. Have fun.

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