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Old 08-01-2013, 07:47 AM   #31
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Well 530? These are honest, straight-forward questions with clear-cut answers. If you are experienced as you say they are, they are not hard questions to answer.
Dont expect a detailed response back. The doubters will always just be that. And normally will bypass logic and reasoning due to their own lack of fundamental knowledge on their rigs design and aftermarket part integration.

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OK......have you turned the steering wheel to full lock both directions and taken a look at what you're rubbing? That's an issue of backspacing.

Have you cycled the suspension without the springs to determine why your tire is hitting the fender? Hint: Bump stops aren't set correctly for your given tire size. I hope your shocks aren't acting as bump stops, too.
Key words on the quote: "i dont know".......

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Key words on the quote: "i dont know".......
I know.

Using a little common sense, his problems would be figured out quicker than it took him to post up in this thread.

This stuff isn't rocket science.
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I know.

Using a little common sense, his problems would be figured out quicker than it took him to post up in this thread.

This stuff isn't rocket science.
Nope it isnt rocket science.....easy fixes all around.....again.....the devil is in the details.......for those who are careful.....with good basic knowledge and understanding.....and are smart with part selevtion.....these "issues" are not issues at all.
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I am having a 2" Tereflex BB installed on my 2002 TJ sport with 32 11.50 goodyear MTR's on the stock 15 inch rim with spacers and OME shocks. I have the 4+ inch bushwacker pocket flares on it now. I'm from Long Island NY and Evan from Bay Shore is doing it. He is all over this forum. Any feedback on this setup? Anything would help. Thanks guys!
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I must add I am not a huge off roader. It will see the beach and mild trails only. Thanks!
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I am having a 2" Tereflex BB installed on my 2002 TJ sport with 32 11.50 goodyear MTR's on the stock 15 inch rim with spacers and OME shocks. I have the 4+ inch bushwacker pocket flares on it now. I'm from Long Island NY and Evan from Bay Shore is doing it. He is all over this forum. Any feedback on this setup? Anything would help. Thanks guys!
Plastic pucks and shocks........

What more do you want to know? It's as basic as you can get. You're hardly changing anything when it comes to the suspension components that make the biggest difference.
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Plastic pucks and shocks........

What more do you want to know? It's as basic as you can get. You're hardly changing anything when it comes to the suspension components that make the biggest difference.

Yeah I am not doing any crazy off roading or rock climbing. Long Island sucks for it. This is just a toy for me and want a different look. Was just looking for feedback it's not my DD although it has been recently (just because I love driving it) Like I said I really don't know ANYTHING about jeep lifts.
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Install a 8in Fabtech lift with twin steering stabilizers and you can fit in 33's with a little rubbing but you can get flat fenders and it'll be alright. Also if you can add a 2" body lift and you'll clear 33's and be able to rock krawl good.


Don't listen to these guys it's all about 8" lift kits with 33's and twin stabilizers
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Yeah I am not doing any crazy off roading or rock climbing. Long Island sucks for it. This is just a toy for me and want a different look. Was just looking for feedback it's not my DD although it has been recently (just because I love driving it) Like I said I really don't know ANYTHING about jeep lifts.
Problem with plastic puck "budget boosts" is that you still have to add significant bumpstopping(especially in the rear) due to coil bind.

Not sure what your budget is, but if this is a relatively stock weight vehicle that's mostly a DD I would look at like an RC 2.5" lift kit. Just new shocks and springs and relatively cheap. But the springs run good rates that are suited for Jeeps that are stock weight.
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Look my advice since my parents own a 4x4 shop (expert on 4x4) and I've been around it all my life, is to do install a 4" why ? Well it's simple, quick and you really don't need to extend the driveshaft . Doing a 2" and body lift well it's a pain in the ass if you're gonna do it and most shops will charge an arm or a leg. As far as brands there are many, to me the best is always going to be Teraflex but if you're low on a budget go with RC .
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Well...this thread is a confusing hot mess. Any noobs reading this, I would find a better threads to absorb.
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Look my advice since my parents own a 4x4 shop (expert on 4x4) and I've been around it all my life, is to do install a 4" why ? Well it's simple, quick and you really don't need to extend the driveshaft . Doing a 2" and body lift well it's a pain in the ass if you're gonna do it and most shops will charge an arm or a leg. As far as brands there are many, to me the best is always going to be Teraflex but if you're low on a budget go with RC .
Huh? This post doesn't make much sense........a 4" lift is simple to install, but a 2" lift with a 1"bl isn't simple? LOL! Need to edit this post and rectify what you're sayin, lol.
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Well...this thread is a confusing hot mess. Any noobs reading this, I would find a better threads to absorb.
This thread took a crap quite a while ago and there is nothing to read on here except for a bunch of bickering, people not being able to read correctly and inaccurate quoting. Basically a worthless thread.
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This thread took a crap quite a while ago and there is nothing to read on here except for a bunch of bickering, people not being able to read correctly and inaccurate quoting. Basically a worthless thread.
And it all started with your first post.

BTW how are those answers coming along from the questions Imped asked you?
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Look my advice since my parents own a 4x4 shop (expert on 4x4) and I've been around it all my life
Purely judging by your post, your parents may be "experts" but you certainly are not.
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Well...this thread is a confusing hot mess. Any noobs reading this, I would find a better threads to absorb.
There has been a very simple lesson learned for the OP. This stuff isn't as simple and cheap as he thought. There are so many critical points that a majority of the members on here fail to recognize or consider and those are the things I like to bring to light. When you've got a wide range of levels of experience and knowledge on these subjects, such is the case on WF, there will be disagreements because nobody wants to admit they're wrong. So, you can either bicker uselessly or learn. It's that simple.

If the OP (and anyone else following along) wants to do things as cheaply and incorrectly as possible, that's fine. But at least I know I provided them the resources to go about things differently. I've spent way too much time fixing poorly-built Jeeps to just let things go by the wayside. Most Jeeps are built that way due to lack of education on the subject of suspension, steering, etc. A little learning goes a long way.
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This thread took a crap quite a while ago and there is nothing to read on here except for a bunch of bickering, people not being able to read correctly and inaccurate quoting. Basically a worthless thread.
If you would simply answer the questions I asked you, perhaps you could become a useful contributor instead of sitting on the sidelines.
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Well...this thread is a confusing hot mess. Any noobs reading this, I would find a better threads to absorb.
Agree, And the bad part is that "most" suspension threads turn out this way. And the worse part is that there are almost always people involved in the threads that are extremely knowledgable, but you have to sort through a bunch of pissing matches and people trying to measure their tools. Then when someone disagrees with them they get their butts hurt. I have read many suspension threads and by the time im done im more confused then when I started. Im not a suspension expert and i go to these threads to look for some good advice but most of them end up being a pissing match. There is def more than one way to skin a cat and there are def more than 1 good suspension setup. Not everybody wheels the same and not everybody wheels. Some people have their jeeps just for show. I know plenty of these people who have stuck way more money in their jeep than me and it will never see any kind of rock crawling or mud and maybe not even a dirt road. but that is their choice and what works best for them. The OP hasnt probably even got back on here and hasnt taken any advice from this thread because of the pissing matches. So Please, if you guys can stop beating up one another and stick to the questions and information then a lot more people can learn from the knowledge that you provide. Thanks
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Agree, And the bad part is that "most" suspension threads turn out this way. And the worse part is that there are almost always people involved in the threads that are extremely knowledgable, but you have to sort through a bunch of pissing matches and people trying to measure their tools. Then when someone disagrees with them they get their butts hurt. I have read many suspension threads and by the time im done im more confused then when I started. Im not a suspension expert and i go to these threads to look for some good advice but most of them end up being a pissing match. There is def more than one way to skin a cat and there are def more than 1 good suspension setup. Not everybody wheels the same and not everybody wheels. Some people have their jeeps just for show. I know plenty of these people who have stuck way more money in their jeep than me and it will never see any kind of rock crawling or mud and maybe not even a dirt road. but that is their choice and what works best for them. The OP hasnt probably even got back on here and hasnt taken any advice from this thread because of the pissing matches. So Please, if you guys can stop beating up one another and stick to the questions and information then a lot more people can learn from the knowledge that you provide. Thanks
Unfortunately the problem lies in posts submitted by people who probably should stay on the SIDELINES. Other than myself the only person on this thread that has shown to give good solid fundamental advice, tips and info came from Imped.

530ktm states you need 4" of lift to fit 33's properly. Maybe that is the case for people who are sloppy on parts selection and integration. But for those who know how to do it right and are much more in tune with the small details, 33's can be done with less total lift.
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I recently gave some advise to this same type of question and got blasted by a bunch of know it all members. To run 33 inch tires properly, you need 4 inches of lift. There are a few different ways to get that lift, some being expensive requiring other mods and some not so expensive. That is all I am going to say at this point so you have plenty of threads and information on here to help you make your own decision. Let the flaming begin with my blanket statements and not knowing what I am talking about.
I'm going to have to agree here. I'm not at all a fan of body lifts cause i think they look horrible, ad im not at all a fan of putting plastic pucks on my coils to lift it more, maybe level it out, but not to rely on lift. I'm currently sitting on a 4 inch lift that was on the jeep when i bought it. If i didnt get such a good deal, i wouldnt have bought it but i did. Needless to say the guy is a moron because he lifted it 4 inches then dropped the tcase 2, so its kind of pointless. But im in the process of fixing that. I Can flex perfectly fine and i get really nice travel with my 4 inches. The bumpstops hit and leave me with about half an inch of room between the top of the fender and the wheel and my 12.50s clear the curve of the fender really well. I'm very happy with the lift as i put currie coils and bilstiens in replace of the pro comp crap that was on it. But back to topic, I would rather spend the money on a 4 then have to mess with a combo lift knowing that if installed correctly, I could have a little more travel both ways. But thats my opinion. Im not at all saying that a smaller combo lift isnt as effective because they are, personally i would prefer 4 inches to a combo.
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I'm going to have to agree here. I'm not at all a fan of body lifts cause i think they look horrible, ad im not at all a fan of putting plastic pucks on my coils to lift it more, maybe level it out, but not to rely on lift. I'm currently sitting on a 4 inch lift that was on the jeep when i bought it. If i didnt get such a good deal, i wouldnt have bought it but i did. Needless to say the guy is a moron because he lifted it 4 inches then dropped the tcase 2, so its kind of pointless. But im in the process of fixing that. I Can flex perfectly fine and i get really nice travel with my 4 inches. The bumpstops hit and leave me with about half an inch of room between the top of the fender and the wheel and my 12.50s clear the curve of the fender really well. I'm very happy with the lift as i put currie coils and bilstiens in replace of the pro comp crap that was on it. But back to topic, I would rather spend the money on a 4 then have to mess with a combo lift knowing that if installed correctly, I could have a little more travel both ways. But thats my opinion. Im not at all saying that a smaller combo lift isnt as effective because they are, personally i would prefer 4 inches to a combo.
OK, that introduces another good topic. The stock belly pan. Do you intend to say goodbye to it? What about the low-hanging stock gas tank skid?
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Unfortunately the problem lies in posts submitted by people who probably should stay on the SIDELINES. Other than myself the only person on this thread that has shown to give good solid fundamental advice, tips and info came from Imped.

530ktm states you need 4" of lift to fit 33's properly. Maybe that is the case for people who are sloppy on parts selection and integration. But for those who know how to do it right and are much more in tune with the small details, 33's can be done with less total lift.
I agree with you as I have 3" BDS Lift with 33's (bought like this) and have never had any rubbing, but also don't do hard core wheeling either, but have also spent a lot of time and money correcting things from PO. That is more my point though, not everyone has the same use for their jeep. I def agree that the 4" of lift was a blanket statement and maybe something people use as a general rule but its no way entirely true or the only way. I also agree that you and imped both bring a lot of knowledge to the discussion and hate to see the thread get overrun with arguments. Just keep posting the thoughts, ideas, and technical information that you do and let the readers decide. If people are smart then they will find out who to side with, but also what suits them best. I have read many of Imped's posts and listen to what he is saying and he has great knowledge and understanding of suspension, and his jeep is a beast, but that might not suit everybody. But you both def have the Posters best interest in mind as you urge them to not just fall into line but rather take your time and think it through and understand what you are doing. That is the approach I am taking, but that might not be for everybody. There are some things i might see a little different that you or Imped but I take as much information from the posts as I can.

But just keep posting and keep backing up your posts with facts and experiences like you have both been doing and then let the readers decide. Its their money and their rig and if they dont want to listen and learn somethings to make a suspension that best suits them, then that is their fault.
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I agree with you as I have 3" BDS Lift with 33's (bought like this) and have never had any rubbing, but also don't do hard core wheeling either, but have also spent a lot of time and money correcting things from PO. That is more my point though, not everyone has the same use for their jeep. I def agree that the 4" of lift was a blanket statement and maybe something people use as a general rule but its no way entirely true or the only way. I also agree that you and imped both bring a lot of knowledge to the discussion and hate to see the thread get overrun with arguments. Just keep posting the thoughts, ideas, and technical information that you do and let the readers decide. If people are smart then they will find out who to side with, but also what suits them best. I have read many of Imped's posts and listen to what he is saying and he has great knowledge and understanding of suspension, and his jeep is a beast, but that might not suit everybody. But you both def have the Posters best interest in mind as you urge them to not just fall into line but rather take your time and think it through and understand what you are doing. That is the approach I am taking, but that might not be for everybody. There are some things i might see a little different that you or Imped but I take as much information from the posts as I can.

But just keep posting and keep backing up your posts with facts and experiences like you have both been doing and then let the readers decide. Its their money and their rig and if they dont want to listen and learn somethings to make a suspension that best suits them, then that is their fault.
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OK, that introduces another good topic. The stock belly pan. Do you intend to say goodbye to it? What about the low-hanging stock gas tank skid?
Yes I plan for a belly up when i get my parts for the SYE and I'm leaving the gas tank with a skid plate as I wont do enough hardcore offroading to get a fuel cell.
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Imped, you and NJO are obviously very smart and well educated on Jeeps. I am not on this forum to argue and bicker as it is counter productive for everyone. I also do not feel like I am stupid as I have learned things over the years, on this forum and others, and done to my Jeep what I feel and have proven to be a very functional Jeep. I answered your question before you even asked me again as to how I know 4 inches is needed and that is because I slightly tweaked my front fender and could also slighty rub the rear tire when really stuffed in the wheel well. You also basically accuse me of not doing any real wheeling because of my some what stock Jeep yet I have done plenty over the years and gone places where others on their big 35's could not get. In fact, I have yet to ever come to a place that I have not been able to get through on my own. Perhaps I do not like to drive up and down boulders the size of houses but not everyone is in to that either. I posted up what I feel is a pretty honest answer to the OP and yes there are other ways to achieve things but if I were to say a 2 or 3 inch lift is going to work wonders for anyone then I think I would be giving inaccurate advise on that too. It would be nice if we could all just try and give advise to others and let them figure out what is best for them and their wallet and not have pissing matches trying to get there. I believe I have even gained some knowledge from some of your posts from the past so don't think I have ever claimed to be a smarter person than you. People come on here to learn and not get slammed or ridiculed.
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Yes I plan for a belly up when i get my parts for the SYE and I'm leaving the gas tank with a skid plate as I wont do enough hardcore offroading to get a fuel cell.
OK, how high do you intend to tuck without that nasty 1" body lift?

And I wasn't referring to a fuel cell. You do realize you can tuck the gas tank up but with the body sitting where it does right now, you can only gain 1/2". 1.5" is a lot nicer than 1/2".
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Imped, you and NJO are obviously very smart and well educated on Jeeps. I am not on this forum to argue and bicker as it is counter productive for everyone. I also do not feel like I am stupid as I have learned things over the years, on this forum and others, and done to my Jeep what I feel and have proven to be a very functional Jeep. I answered your question before you even asked me again as to how I know 4 inches is needed and that is because I slightly tweaked my front fender and could also slighty rub the rear tire when really stuffed in the wheel well. You also basically accuse me of not doing any real wheeling because of my some what stock Jeep yet I have done plenty over the years and gone places where others on their big 35's could not get. In fact, I have yet to ever come to a place that I have not been able to get through on my own. Perhaps I do not like to drive up and down boulders the size of houses but not everyone is in to that either. I posted up what I feel is a pretty honest answer to the OP and yes there are other ways to achieve things but if I were to say a 2 or 3 inch lift is going to work wonders for anyone then I think I would be giving inaccurate advise on that too. It would be nice if we could all just try and give advise to others and let them figure out what is best for them and their wallet and not have pissing matches trying to get there. I believe I have even gained some knowledge from some of your posts from the past so don't think I have ever claimed to be a smarter person than you. People come on here to learn and not get slammed or ridiculed.
OK.

You hit the fenders because your bump stops aren't properly adjusted. That's what they're there for.
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OK, how high do you intend to tuck without that nasty 1" body lift?

And I wasn't referring to a fuel cell. You do realize you can tuck the gas tank up but with the body sitting where it does right now, you can only gain 1/2". 1.5" is a lot nicer than 1/2".
Just saying man, I'd prefer to stay away from it. I dont do any crazy offroading so i wont be needing to tuck it that far.
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Just saying man, I'd prefer to stay away from it. I dont do any crazy offroading so i wont be needing to tuck it that far.
That's fine, I can appreciate that just fine. But I bet unless I told you my body was raised off my frame 1" more than stock, you would think it wasn't.
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Trade off. 1.25" body lift so you can get rid of the stamped steel diaper. Easy choice for me. Larger BL's do look bad, I agree.
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OK.

You hit the fenders because your bump stops aren't properly adjusted. That's what they're there for.
You are correct. But at the same time if I had another 1/2 inch of lift I would not have rubbed and also would not limit my wheel travel by adding additional bump stops. Is this not a true statement? I changed out the springs in the rear recently and gained that 1/2 inch or so and I had no rubbing at all this last weekend out in the rocks.

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