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Old 07-31-2013, 11:05 AM   #1
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Okay so I have had my jeep for a while, and I am really wanting to spice it up, I want to lift it and put on bigger tires for sure, what is the ideal lift to be able to run 33" and have maximum clearance, and what lift company would be the best, from experience using them?

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I recently gave some advise to this same type of question and got blasted by a bunch of know it all members. To run 33 inch tires properly, you need 4 inches of lift. There are a few different ways to get that lift, some being expensive requiring other mods and some not so expensive. That is all I am going to say at this point so you have plenty of threads and information on here to help you make your own decision. Let the flaming begin with my blanket statements and not knowing what I am talking about.

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I recently gave some advise to this same type of question and got blasted by a bunch of know it all members. To run 33 inch tires properly, you need 4 inches of lift. There are a few different ways to get that lift, some being expensive requiring other mods and some not so expensive. That is all I am going to say at this point so you have plenty of threads and information on here to help you make your own decision. Let the flaming begin with my blanket statements and not knowing what I am talking about.
Exactly why do you need 4" of lift? Absolutely untrue. 2" suspension lift plus 1" bl is all thats needed to run a 33x10.5 with no rubbing. And the added benefit is that you can keep your geometry relatively intact with less suspension lift.
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Exactly why do you need 4" of lift? Absolutely untrue. 2" suspension lift plus 1" bl is all thats needed to run a 33x10.5 with no rubbing. And the added benefit is that you can keep your geometry relatively intact with less suspension lift.
And here we go. You need 4 inches because unlike you, others have and will rub with full flex travel. Thank you for your input.
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And here we go. You need 4 inches because unlike you, others have and will rub with full flex travel. Thank you for your input.
No they won't. I know this due to experience installing multiple lifts on tj's involving 33's. Maybe YOU had issues, but I never have.....nor have many other ppl.

But let me guess.....you are running a 15x8 or 10" wide rim on 33x12.5 tires.......

If the op is smart he will run a 33x10.5" tire and bypass a number of hassles a 12.5" wide tire has and gain numerous benefits by sticking with a 10.5" tire which his Jeep was designed to run with in terms of clearance.
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I am a strong believer that without modifying the body, you need 4 inches of clearance to adequately run 33 inch tires when off roading on anything tougher than a fire road. Since a 4" suspension lift invariably needs an expensive SYE kit and CV driveshaft, a 3" suspension lift plus a 1" body lift gives a good less expensive way of achieving that 4" of clearance since a 3" suspension lift doesn't require a SYE kit and CV driveshaft.
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I have just over 4 inches of "lift" clearance in the front and still manage to absolutely stuff my 33s. If you are not modifying the body/fenders or adding a ton of bumpstop or run the wrong length/travel shocks for your setup, then you do need roughly 4 inches of lift. Like it has been said, however there are many ways to do things, and until one is educated and has experience and a good understanding of everything that goes into a functional suspension, then this is hard to answer.

I don't see the problem giving a "blanket statement" answer to a pretty noob question, no offense OP. Given the scenario laid out in the first post, the guy wants only the required things to get his rig wheeling safely and reliably on the trails. 3 or 4 inches will both do it, but with 3 inches he is going to need some additional bump stoppage to keep from eating the flares up.
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Well I am not sure but I have a 2 1/2" lift and 33's sitting in my garage with plans to install in the next couple of weeks. I will let you know. I was always told 2" would be enough. So I guess I will find out!
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No they won't. I know this due to experience installing multiple lifts on tj's involving 33's. Maybe YOU had issues, but I never have.....nor have many other ppl.

But let me guess.....you are running a 15x8 or 10" wide rim on 33x12.5 tires.......

If the op is smart he will run a 33x10.5" tire and bypass a number of hassles a 12.5" wide tire has and gain numerous benefits by sticking with a 10.5" tire which his Jeep was designed to run with in terms of clearance.
Also, it has nothing to do with the width of the tire and the rubbing. It is about stuffing them up into the wheel wells which even a 10.5 inch tire is going to do. You go ahead and stick to your theory and I will stick to what is correct.
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Well I am not sure but I have a 2 1/2" lift and 33's sitting in my garage with plans to install in the next couple of weeks. I will let you know. I was always told 2" would be enough. So I guess I will find out!
We are talking about TJ's so if you are in a newer JK then you are most likely going to be okay.
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I am a strong believer that without modifying the body, you need 4 inches of clearance to adequately run 33 inch tires when off roading on anything tougher than a fire road. Since a 4" suspension lift invariably needs an expensive SYE kit and CV driveshaft, a 3" suspension lift plus a 1" body lift gives a good less expensive way of achieving that 4" of clearance since a 3" suspension lift doesn't require a SYE kit and CV driveshaft.
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Jerry is far from the be all end all internet expert.....tons of posts does not make one an expert either.

As stated 2" lift plus 1" Bl gives you full clearance to run 33x10.5's.....I know this from experience. To go one step further.....if you want basically perfect 50/50 up/down travel on a 2" lift add a 20mm bumpstop spacer f/r and add appropriate sized shocks for a nice balanced setup. No hassles....no rubbing....no added steering stop spacers or flare coverage issues. Its all in the SMALL details.
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Also, it has nothing to do with the width of the tire and the rubbing. It is about stuffing them up into the wheel wells which even a 10.5 inch tire is going to do. You go ahead and stick to your theory and I will stick to what is correct.
Of course width matters. Especially with stock fender setup. Clearance isnt just about tire diameter.....its about width too....
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You are correct. Bump stop the sh-t out of them and you can run anything you want without rubbing. You are a wealth of helpful information on here when it comes to helping people answer some rather simple questions.
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You are correct. Bump stop the sh-t out of them and you can run anything you want without rubbing. You are a wealth of helpful information on here when it comes to helping people answer some rather simple questions.
Bumpstop the sh!t out of it? Can you define that please? Is 20mm "bumpstopping the sh!t" out of it?

Also did Jerry or Golden run 10.5's or 12.5's on their setups? Do a search.
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Bumpstop the sh!t out of it? Can you define that please? Is 20mm "bumpstopping the sh!t" out of it?

Also did Jerry or Golden run 10.5's or 12.5's on their setups? Do a search.
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I put 2" BB in my Jeep and ran 33" 12.50 on a 10" wheel, however, only fireroads is where I went. If your going for look only it WILL work. however performance wise definitely at least 4".
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530ktm, don't waste your time trying to bite the dangling carrot...not worth it.
You are right. I learned that a while ago on some other threads. He makes his way onto a few ignore lists.
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You are right. I learned that a while ago on some other threads. He makes his way onto a few ignore lists.
Curious....what 4" springs can you run without additional bumpstopping due to coil bind?

Too many backyard hack "mechanics" posing as "experts" on these forums.
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530, you're so adamant about these claims that 33's will not work correctly without +4", yet you solely rely on others' claims and experiences and not your own. Why is that?

Here's a buddy of mine's TJ that I've done the work on. Nothing special--1" body lift, 285/75/16 BFG AT's (33x11) on stock Moabs, stock suspension. It's got a flat skid now, ZJ tie rod, and some oil pan and steering box protection.....mild wheeler and DD. No bump stop modifications, the tires fit beautifully throughout the entire stock shock travel and tuck into those 1" wider Rubicon/Sahara flares nicely. So why would he need to be 3" taller for what he does?

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530, you're so adamant about these claims that 33's will not work correctly without +4", yet you solely rely on others' claims and experiences and not your own. Why is that?

Here's a buddy of mine's TJ that I've done the work on. Nothing special--1" body lift, 285/75/16 BFG AT's (33x11) on stock Moabs, stock suspension. It's got a flat skid now, ZJ tie rod, and some oil pan and steering box protection.....mild wheeler and DD. No bump stop modifications, the tires fit beautifully throughout the entire stock shock travel and tuck into those 1" wider Rubicon/Sahara flares nicely. So why would he need to be 3" taller for what he does?

You say mild wheeler. I have said before it depends on how you want to use your Jeep. And why do you think I rely on other peoples experience and not my own? I have 4 inches up front and had a little under 4 inches in the back and I managed to damage a front fender on some pretty tough trails. And yes I had some added bump stops in there as well so don't tell me I do not know WTF I am talking about. You guys spend more time bickering amongst other people then it is worth my time.
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You say mild wheeler. I have said before it depends on how you want to use your Jeep. And why do you think I rely on other peoples experience and not my own? I have 4 inches up front and had a little under 4 inches in the back and I managed to damage a front fender on some pretty tough trails. And yes I had some added bump stops in there as well so don't tell me I do not know WTF I am talking about. You guys spend more time bickering amongst other people then it is worth my time.
So in reality you are contradicting your own words. You state 4" easily clears 33"s.....without sh!tloads of bumpstopping.......yet you have extra bumpstopping on 4" and you are saying you still damaged ur fenders from the tires? Lol......man can i have you wrench on my rigs? Lol
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So in reality you are contradicting your own words. You state 4" easily clears 33"s.....without sh!tloads of bumpstopping.......yet you have extra bumpstopping on 4" and you are saying you still damaged ur fenders from the tires? Lol......man can i have you wrench on my rigs? Lol
You need to learn how to read before you quote people as I did not state things as you imply. You are a fricken troll on this forum as well and as others have said your are a waste of time.
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You say mild wheeler. I have said before it depends on how you want to use your Jeep. And why do you think I rely on other peoples experience and not my own? I have 4 inches up front and had a little under 4 inches in the back and I managed to damage a front fender on some pretty tough trails. And yes I had some added bump stops in there as well so don't tell me I do not know WTF I am talking about. You guys spend more time bickering amongst other people then it is worth my time.
Yes, that's a mild wheeler. I can show you plenty of 'hardcore' wheelers that don't fit your mold of 4" and 33's if you'd like.

BTW, I'd love to hear about all of the hardcore trails you do on a standard TJ on 33's.

In regards to your experience, you say that you can't run 33's effectively with under 4" of added clearance. I know what you currently run, that's not the question. I want to know how you know that 33's don't work effectively without an added 4" of clearance. Or is it just an educated guess?
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I run a 4" lift and 33x12.5s and rub like hell... everytime I'm off roading my tires are rubbing on my fenders... so I'm fixing to get a 1" bl and an extra set of 1" pucks because my springs have settled... and flat flares... i love my 12.5" wides though
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I run a 4" lift and 33x12.5s and rub like hell... everytime I'm off roading my tires are rubbing on my fenders... so I'm fixing to get a 1" bl and an extra set of 1" pucks because my springs have settled... and flat flares... i love my 12.5" wides though
Curious what rim size and backspacing? Stock oem flares? How much added bumpstop currently? And where specifically do you rub? While at full turn or straight?
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15" rim, backspacing i don't know, jeep came with them, stock flares, i have extended bump stops... what's left of the stop anyway, i need to replace them, stock flares, and don't rub except a little at full turn, or if i hit a bump hard or try to do a little flex off road, i really rub on the fenders extremely bad off road
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BTW, I'd love to hear about all of the hardcore trails you do on a standard TJ on 33's.

I want to know how you know that 33's don't work effectively without an added 4" of clearance. Or is it just an educated guess?
Well 530? These are honest, straight-forward questions with clear-cut answers. If you are experienced as you say they are, they are not hard questions to answer.
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15" rim, backspacing i don't know, jeep came with them, stock flares, i have extended bump stops... what's left of the stop anyway, i need to replace them, stock flares, and don't rub except a little at full turn, or if i hit a bump hard or try to do a little flex off road, i really rub on the fenders extremely bad off road
Without specifics its hard to diagnose why your rubbing.....but with 12.5's you can rub if backspacing isnt correct. Too little and you will rub when the wheels are cut. Too much and you can contact the flares.....which is why attn. to the small details matters.

But on the 3-4 mild builds i have helped out on 33's have never rubbed featuring 2" suspension lifts.
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15" rim, backspacing i don't know, jeep came with them, stock flares, i have extended bump stops... what's left of the stop anyway, i need to replace them, stock flares, and don't rub except a little at full turn, or if i hit a bump hard or try to do a little flex off road, i really rub on the fenders extremely bad off road
OK......have you turned the steering wheel to full lock both directions and taken a look at what you're rubbing? That's an issue of backspacing.

Have you cycled the suspension without the springs to determine why your tire is hitting the fender? Hint: Bump stops aren't set correctly for your given tire size. I hope your shocks aren't acting as bump stops, too.

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