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Old 11-18-2009, 10:28 PM   #1
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ok after xmas im wanting to put a 4in lift on my TJ. I was looking at this kit here on ebay. 4" Suspension lift kit 1997 - 2006 Jeep Wrangler TJ:eBay Motors (item 320447747692 end time Nov-21-09 12:12:09 PST) What do you think of this kit? I have a 2in lift on my jeep now. what Im asking is if this lift is good and will I need anything else with this kit to install the lift?

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Old 11-18-2009, 10:33 PM   #2
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Keep researching, don't rush into it.

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I donīt know this lift kit and the shocks.
But with 4" you may need a SYE and CV driveshaft and longer brake lines.
This kit comes with longer sway bar end links, but that are no disconnects.
You should also buy an adj. front TB with that lift.

You get what you pay for. The cheapest way isnīt the best.
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Old 11-18-2009, 11:00 PM   #4
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Consider a 1.25" body lift and 1" Motor mount lift for around $200...instead of replacing your current lift
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Old 11-18-2009, 11:06 PM   #5
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Perhaps he has a cheap spacer lift and now wants a spring lift with a better ride..
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Old 11-18-2009, 11:13 PM   #6
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Pretty much the bottom of the barrel 4" kit . . . chances are you'll end up replacing the majority of the components and would be better off saving up and going with a better set up.
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Old 11-18-2009, 11:41 PM   #7
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actualy I have heard good things about this kit, and its probably my next upgrade

people say its got everything you need
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people say its got everything you need
with that much lift you will nee longer brake lines and an adj. front trackbar.

and on most TJs youīll also need a SYE and CV driveshaft.
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you are going to need about 1g in extra parts to get that to work correctly. save up and buy a real lift. i know its not exactly what you want to hear but trust me after a few years with a kit on it youll be glad you got something better than rough country. i still dont see how you can get much flex out of it with a hard urethane bushing on both ends of the control arm...
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I can get the brake lines and I got the adjustable swaybar, wtf is an sye? and how much is a cv driveshaft
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I love this board more every day. When we first started this site people would ask this question about an ebay lift and actually get positive answers.
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Old 11-19-2009, 01:36 AM   #13
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i still dont see how you can get much flex out of it with a hard urethane bushing on both ends of the control arm...
Actually you get a ton of flex out of them, 350chevrolet . . . you just have to go thru a short break in period . . . usually after one or two off road outings those lovely poly bushings will be all ripped to hell allowing everything to just flop around nicely giving you a ton of flex and some really interesting noises and feelings!


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actualy I have heard good things about this kit, and its probably my next upgrade.

people say its got everything you need
You might be thinking of the newer kits that RC came out with . . . "X" somethingorother. I'm not saying that I've bought into the hype, but there's lot's of talk on the web about the new design and bang for the buck as it is rather similar to many of the more expensive kits offering control arms with a joint on one end, etc. This is even RC's low end kit . . . coming from RC, that's saying something! Those fixed arms with poly bushings are junk . . . chances are the shocks are too . . . so even if the springs and bumpstops and swaybar extensions are top notch, that's really what you'll end up with for your 500 bucks . . . doesn't sound like a sweet deal to me.

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wtf is an sye? and how much is a cv driveshaft
You can usually find the SYE and CV DS combo for about 500 bucks. But you'll still need to add some Upper CAs to dial in the pinyon, and probably a different style TB bracket to go along with the CV DS.
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Actually you get a ton of flex out of them, 350chevrolet . . . you just have to go thru a short break in period . . . usually after one or two off road outings those lovely poly bushings will be all ripped to hell allowing everything to just flop around nicely giving you a ton of flex and some really interesting noises and feelings!
pretty much my point. I got a kick out of watching some kid who had just gotten a junk lift like that get out flexed by a stocker. He was pissed, I just laughed. I guess once you kill the poly crap it might flex ok lol
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I donīt know this lift kit and the shocks.
But with 4" you may need a SYE and CV driveshaft and longer brake lines.
This kit comes with longer sway bar end links, but that are no disconnects.
You should also buy an adj. front TB with that lift.

You get what you pay for. The cheapest way isnīt the best.
Longer Brake lines are NOT necessary, i run 4" lift just fine. You wont NEED to have a SYE kit and CV driveshaft, you could replace it cheaper with tummy tuck or MML, or dropping your T-case I think I just said something redundant. Dropping your T-case all you do is use washers or a piece of steel to lower your T case belly.

Personally I wouldnt get that RC lift, get a good RE lift and spend a little more. Or find out from other people what things they bought from other manufacturers and pieced them together.

And this isnt an "ebay" lift. Its a RC lift being sold off Ebay, for $500 id simply buy it from the manufacturer if I were to buy it
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Longer Brake lines are NOT necessary, i run 4" lift just fine. You wont NEED to have a SYE kit and CV driveshaft, you could replace it cheaper with tummy tuck or MML, or dropping your T-case I think I just said something redundant. Dropping your T-case all you do is use washers or a piece of steel to lower your T case belly.

Personally I wouldnt get that RC lift, get a good RE lift and spend a little more. Or find out from other people what things they bought from other manufacturers and pieced them together.

And this isnt an "ebay" lift. Its a RC lift being sold off Ebay, for $500 id simply buy it from the manufacturer if I were to buy it
You might be able to get away with lowering the brakeline bracket on the frame instead of longer lines, but something needs to be done unless you are just counting on the articulation of this set up to suck so bad that you don't need to address the issue . . . Personally I would as brakelines don't necessarily make the best limit straps! You will NEED a SYE and CV drive shaft if you want to do it right . . . or I guess you could lift the Jeep just to turn around and lower the belly . . . counter productive in my mind. No clue as to what you mean about replacing "it cheaper with a tummy tuck" as a tummy tuck is the opposite of a TC drop and will create even more of a need for things like a longer DS, UCAs, etc as you've now increased the distance between the TC and the pinyon by lifting the TC.
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Consider a 1.25" body lift and 1" Motor mount lift for around $200...instead of replacing your current lift
no my current lift is with springs. Im not a fan of body lifts. I plan on getting quick disconnect sway bar links. I plan on getting SYE but I can't afford another $500 at the moment.
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you are going to need about 1g in extra parts to get that to work correctly. save up and buy a real lift. i know its not exactly what you want to hear but trust me after a few years with a kit on it youll be glad you got something better than rough country. i still dont see how you can get much flex out of it with a hard urethane bushing on both ends of the control arm...
How do ya'll know it comes with urethane bushings?
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You can usually find the SYE and CV DS combo for about 500 bucks. But you'll still need to add some Upper CAs to dial in the pinyon, and probably a different style TB bracket to go along with the CV DS.
Dont' forget to factor in the cost of having the SYE installed. Have you seen how this is done? Unless you're an experienced mechanic or extremely handy and have all the correct tools, you're going to have to pay someone to install the SYE. I know, I know.....some people have the experience and the tools, but most don't. Installing a Slip Yoke Eliminator isn't a plug and play operation for the average Joe.
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You might be able to get away with lowering the brakeline bracket on the frame instead of longer lines, but something needs to be done unless you are just counting on the articulation of this set up to suck so bad that you don't need to address the issue . . . Personally I would as brakelines don't necessarily make the best limit straps! You will NEED a SYE and CV drive shaft if you want to do it right . . . or I guess you could lift the Jeep just to turn around and lower the belly . . . counter productive in my mind. No clue as to what you mean about replacing "it cheaper with a tummy tuck" as a tummy tuck is the opposite of a TC drop and will create even more of a need for things like a longer DS, UCAs, etc as you've now increased the distance between the TC and the pinyon by lifting the TC.
You are correct, I mixed up Tummy Tuck and TC drop.

I currently do not run a Sye Kit w/ CV Drive shaft with 4" suspension lift, instead I did TC drop. Logically it is counter productive = ). But Schmo is right, if you do want to do it right, youll want a Sye Kit w/CV Drive shaft, which I currently have a JE Reel CV Driveshaft and waiting to buy a SYE Kit. I guess I was referring to a quick/cheap fix when I talked about a TC drop as the OP is still in High School and seems to be on a budget.

One day I will get a SYE Kit on a good deal. YEa installing it isnt for the average Joe, but grab a friend, or someone who knows about cars and its not too hard, theres alot of writeups and youtube videos on it. From what ive heard from other people, its usually at 6" where someone needs extended brake lines. Mine (all 3 times) ive gone wheeling has held up fine, but I guess you dont want your brake line to be your weak point since its pretty important, I will check out the length of my brake lines today when I put rust bulletn my undercarriage.

Also if youre going to get extended brake lines, get the coiled upgraded ones.

Also I could get you a slightly used Tom Woods CV driveshaft for I think $100 shipped or less from a guy in Missouri. He helped build some axle for JP Magazine, and was around when OX lockers were trying to make a comeback, he also judges off road competitions.
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no my current lift is with springs. Im not a fan of body lifts. I plan on getting quick disconnect sway bar links. I plan on getting SYE but I can't afford another $500 at the moment.
dont shell out the $70 for quick disconnects, save up for Currie Anti Rock $300 or Swaylock $600. But seriously get the Currie Anti Rock. Quick disconnects will give you articulation, but will not put reverse pressure on the tires to grab a hold of things, kinda like a dog trying to climb onto your boat. With Currie Anti Rock, when you get a tire up on something, itll add downward pressure so that you can grip onto the ledge and pull up, like a dog trying to get onto a boat but with someone pushing on its back. Terrible examples I know, but someone on Jeep Forum did a writeup on it.

Also Swaylocks are neat because they can be electronically disconnected.
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How do ya'll know it comes with urethane bushings?
You can see it in the pic from the link you posted. The control arms have poly bushings on both ends. Most prefer a having at least a joint on at least one end...for me personally, I don't like bushings in the contol arms at all and prefer arms like the Currie's that have a joint on both ends.
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