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Old 09-26-2012, 09:47 AM   #1
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Lifts

Ok guys im sure this has been discussed on hear a couple times, but i'll ask it anyway.

Im not really new to the jeep world, but i AM new to lifts and what not. I got my jeep bone stock last year and im looking to upgrade it, but my stepfather( a mechanic) told me a lift is one of the worst things you can do to a vehicle. So give me all the info you got. Advantages, disadvantages, opinions on different setups, everything. Like i said im brand new to this stuff.

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Old 09-26-2012, 10:08 AM   #2
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For starters, taking a vehicle off road is one of the worst things you can do to a vehicle.

Lifting vehicles DOES change carefully engineered geometry to something Different. Asking for pros and cons of lifts in general won't get very specific answers.

What did you want the lift for? How big of a lift? What size tires are you hoping to run? Did you want a short arm lift, long arm lift, body lift, etc?

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Old 09-26-2012, 11:37 AM   #3
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Lifts are not bad, as long as you do some research into stuff like driveline angles/problems, pinion angles, body lifts, transfer case drops, motor mount lifts. Search the forums for this kind of stuff and it will give you lots of info on things that need to be done when lifting a jeep and what to watch for. Obvious reasons to lift a jeep are to have better ground clearance and to be able to fit larger tires. Don't buy the cheapest lift you can find because you get what you pay for. And when it wears out it will cause you other problems as well as just the lift parts wearing out. Just do some searching on the forums man. There is a plethora of information here!! Any other questios?
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Old 09-26-2012, 11:39 AM   #4
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Also when you get into lifts and bigger tires its important to know what you have on your jeep (axles, gear ratios). There is only so much a Dana 30 axle can handle and only so big of a tire a jeep with say 3.07 gears can run. So some info on your jeep is very handy when asking questions about it
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Answer these questions.

1) How much experience do you have with vehicle suspension? Mainly link suspensions as seen under your TJ.

2) What about your stepdad? How much actual experience and knowledge does he possess on link suspension? His blanket statement makes me think 'not much.'

3) What technical, quantifiable reasons does your stepdad have for his train of thought? Since those are truly the only reasons that matter, he should be open to explaining them to you.

4) Why do you feel like your Jeep needs to be taller? What's your budget and what do you intend to use the Jeep for?

Advantages--more clearance
Disadvantages--go into it unknowingly/uneducated on the subjects and/or purchase junk parts and you'll wind up regretting your purchases. Seriously, education is everything. There are tons and tons of resources all over the internet.
Opinion--stay stock, learn, and spend your money wisely once you're educated on the subjects at hand.
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Old 09-26-2012, 02:46 PM   #6
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I have very little experience and i had no intention of going into this blind. I've been doing alot of reading and talking to people with who actually know what they are talking about. Obviously not including my stepdad in that category since he gave no reasons besides they are junk and tear you vehicle up. Thats the best i got from.him.
I have noticed in some of the places i wheel that a little extra clearance would be really nice, not necessary but nice all the same. I dont want much, if i get to that point and decide that is actually what i want to do. Not over 3", probably 2".

Im also worried about additional costs. What else do you need to do/should do with a lift?
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Old 09-26-2012, 02:54 PM   #7
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Once you start getting up over 3" of lift you really don't have anything to worry about. When you get up higher you need 2 piece drive shafts with CV joints, Slip Yoke Eliminator-SYE (search that for some info)... The main problem with big lifts is making sure your drive shafts aren't put at to extreme of an angle (search drive line angles). Honestly, if I were you and was unsure about what I wanted I'd go with a 2" lift and a set of 31" tires. It's a very good starting point
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Will the stock gear ration work for 31's? If not, what would i need?
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Old 09-26-2012, 03:03 PM   #9
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And if i were to go that route, would those coil spacer lifts be a bad idea?
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I'd recommend staying at stock suspension height, 31's, and you're set. You can do plenty of other stuff to increase the capability, aesthetics and clearance of your Jeep. There's way, way more to this stuff than you realize and "lifting it" is only the very tip of the iceberg and really should be low on your list of what's important right now.
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Old 09-26-2012, 03:12 PM   #11
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This is just a future project. I dont have alot of plans for her yet but as you suggested a lift is at the bottom of the list. Theres other less expensive things i want first
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Im not really new to the jeep world, but i AM new to lifts and what not. I got my jeep bone stock last year and im looking to upgrade it, but my stepfather( a mechanic) told me a lift is one of the worst things you can do to a vehicle. So give me all the info you got. Advantages, disadvantages, opinions on different setups, everything. Like i said im brand new to this stuff.

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a "lift kit" is nothing more than a collection of components, which replace similar components in your existing suspension. some "kits" are more complete than others, and quality is generally proportional to how much money you spend. additional components, which are not included in the "kit" are required in almost every case.

so, when a mechanic says lifting a vehicle is the worst thing you can do, I can understand that if all they have been exposed to was poor quality, cheap, inaccurate information. the name of the game here is research, research and more research. don't rush into buying a lift...do your homework for a year before purchasing anything.
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If you just want a little bit of height for looks at the moment if suggest a 1" body lift... And depending on what gears you have, like say the 3.07's. 31's are as big as I would go with that gear ratio... An easy way of checking gear ratios is to look for a metal tag on the rear diff. Or if the tag is gone you can mark the drive shaft and your wheel. Then jack up the back off the ground, put it in neutral and turn the wheel you marked. If the drive shaft turns 3 3/4 turns for every 1 turn of the wheel, you got 3.73's. it turns 4 and just a little more for every one the wheel makes 4.10's.. Make sense? Also search the forum for "gear ratios and tire sizes". And take anything you see Jerry Bransford says as the final word!! Mans a genius
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Answer these questions.

1) How much experience do you have with vehicle suspension? Mainly link suspensions as seen under your TJ.

2) What about your stepdad? How much actual experience and knowledge does he possess on link suspension? His blanket statement makes me think 'not much.'

3) What technical, quantifiable reasons does your stepdad have for his train of thought? Since those are truly the only reasons that matter, he should be open to explaining them to you.

4) Why do you feel like your Jeep needs to be taller? What's your budget and what do you intend to use the Jeep for?

Advantages--more clearance
Disadvantages--go into it unknowingly/uneducated on the subjects and/or purchase junk parts and you'll wind up regretting your purchases. Seriously, education is everything. There are tons and tons of resources all over the internet.
Opinion--stay stock, learn, and spend your money wisely once you're educated on the subjects at hand.
^This. Education is important before you go messing around with your suspension, and you're in the right place to get it. Ask questions, look around, and above all figure out what it is you're trying to accomplish and how much you believe you can spend.
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Thanks alot guys
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Hope we helped you out!!
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