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Old 08-05-2013, 08:51 AM   #1
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lj vs lj rubicon

What are all the diffrences between the lj and lj rubi? I have seen some similar threads but none with the clear answers i seek. I have a lj, i assumed was not a rubicon. But i saw a forum somewhere saying only rubi' have 4wheele disc brakes and some other features that i have. Just looking for some clairification.

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Old 08-05-2013, 08:58 AM   #2
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What type of front axel do the non-rubi 06 lj have?

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Old 08-05-2013, 09:02 AM   #3
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Non Rubi D30 front with a D44 in the back. Rubi you will have Locker switches on the Dash
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Non-Rubicons have a Dana 30 up front. The reason to buy a Rubicon LJ over the standard LJ is if you plan to do extremely tough trails requiring f/r lockers & crawl over them at extremely slow speeds with its 4:1 transfer case.

Few people that buy & pay the big extra $$$ for a Rubicon need or ever even use both of its lockers or benefit from its uber-low 4:1 transfer case ratio. If it's just for normal offroading, you may not need to pay extra for what the Rubicon gives you over a standard but still very trail-worthy LJ.
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I think any Dana 44 equipped jeep made after a certain year can have disk brakes in the rear. My 03 Sahara does. It was an option.

The diff is a Dana 30. The rubi comes with a Dana 44 in the front. However it uses the same outers as the Dana 30. So you are just as likely to break it in that area.
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FYI, having rear disk brakes only makes it easier to work on them/replace pads, etc.. Rear disck brakes don't improve braking over properly functioning drum brakes.
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Thanks for the info and quick replys!
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2003+ TJ's and 2005+ LJ's can have optional rear disks. The Rubicon models had rear disks standard.

Late model non-Rubicon models can also have optional ABS brakes. These are good to have when you have a Jeep with stock tires driven on the road. They complicate larger tire installs and increase the cost of brake maintenance on Jeeps driven offroad or fitted with larger tires for cosmetic reasons.
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Old 08-05-2013, 11:22 AM   #9
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FYI, having rear disk brakes only makes it easier to work on them/replace pads, etc.. Rear disck brakes don't improve braking over properly functioning drum brakes.
And it helps greatly when and if you break an axle shaft. A drum brake setup will allow the broken shaft to run out of the axle whereas a disk setup will not.
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I have an '04 Non-Rubi LJ, it has rear discs.
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I have an '04 Non-Rubi LJ, it has rear discs.
same here
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And it helps greatly when and if you break an axle shaft. A drum brake setup will allow the broken shaft to run out of the axle whereas a disk setup will not.
That's only if you have a d35, which LJ's came with a semi-float d44 standard and its bad on the caliper
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That's only if you have a d35, which LJ's came with a semi-float d44 standard and its bad on the caliper
It'll get you out of the bush though. It's a PITA when you break a shaft in anything else.
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I have an '04 Non-Rubi LJ, it has rear discs.
Mine also has disc brakes in the rear. I guess I got lucky.
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LJ Rubi has air lockers front/rear, selectable from the control panel. Dana 44 front/rear axles plus NV241or transfer case. All four disc brakes.
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from another Forum :

Rubicon - 2003-2006
* 4.0L I-6 engine
* Tru-Lok selectable pneumatic lockers, activate in 4-lo and under 10mph, engaged until out of 4-lo or deselected
* Limited slip rear when unlocked
* NV241 Rock-Trac 4:1 transfer case -- fixed yoke
* Heavy-duty driveshafts with 1330 u-joints
* Dana 44 front and rear axles
* 4.11 gears
* Goodyear Wrangler MT/R LT245/75R16 (30.5"x9.6") Tires
* 16x8, five-spoke aluminum wheels
* Diamond plate rocker guards
* Rubicon Lettering on Hood
* Flares are 1" wider than standard TJ flares
* 4-wheel Disc Brakes

Unlimited (LJ) - 2004-2006
* 4.0L I-6 engine
* Dana 44 rear axle with 3.73 gears and Trac-Lok limited slip differential
* 10" longer wheelbase
* 5" extra rear overhang
* 2" additional room behind front seats for rear seat passengers
* 3,500 lbs. towing capacity

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* See Rubicon and Unlimited (LJ) above


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For what it's worth, my 2006 Rubicon Unlimited has 4.11 gears.
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And a Rubicon usually sells its self to almost any one and much quicker . No " as good as or better than a Rubicon " sales pitch required .
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Old 09-08-2013, 07:53 PM   #19
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Rubicon ,rubicon,rubicon !
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That's only if you have a d35, which LJ's came with a semi-float d44 standard and its bad on the caliper
A D35 is semi-float as well...

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It'll get you out of the bush though. It's a PITA when you break a shaft in anything else.
A broken shaft walking out has nothing to do with brakes but the design of the axle and how the shafts are retained. The TJ D35 is a c-clip axle, which means the shafts are retained with a c-clip located at the end of the shaft. The TJ D44 is a non c-clip axle and the shafts are retained by the outer bearing.

But yes, if you break and axle shaft on a c-clip axle with disk brakes the shaft won't walk out. At least not until the caliper bolts break.
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All LJ's come with rear disc brakes and a D44 rear end.

Rubicon's IMO aren't worth the extra premium they sometimes have attached to their sticker price. Its the same exact vehicle minus 3-4 options/accessories. For the price Ive seen some people here claim RUbicons sell for in their area I was able to buy 2 mint condition regular LJ's. A bulkier TC case, hybrid LP Dana 30/44 front axle and a couple air lockers is not worth a heavy premium in my book.
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2003+ TJ's and 2005+ LJ's can have optional rear disks. The Rubicon models had rear disks standard.

Late model non-Rubicon models can also have optional ABS brakes. These are good to have when you have a Jeep with stock tires driven on the road. They complicate larger tire installs and increase the cost of brake maintenance on Jeeps driven offroad or fitted with larger tires for cosmetic reasons.
I am failing to understand how the blue corresponds with the red?
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All LJ's come with rear disc brakes and a D44 rear end.

Rubicon's IMO aren't worth the extra premium they sometimes have attached to their sticker price. Its the same exact vehicle minus 3-4 options/accessories. For the price Ive seen some people here claim RUbicons sell for in their area I was able to buy 2 mint condition regular LJ's. A bulkier TC case, hybrid LP Dana 30/44 front axle and a couple air lockers is not worth a heavy premium in my book.
It's still not a rubi!
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It's still not a rubi!
No.....but with the money saved many times you can make it ALOT BETTER. I wouldnt trade my LJ as its now configured for any Jeep with a Rubicon sticker slapped on it.
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Yes you are right but its all in a name.
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Yes you are right but its all in a name.
Haha......i guess........but to me the end result it what matters most.....hood sticker be damned.


Rubis are great.......but bang for the buck to me is king. If someone can score one cheap and in the long run it gives them the best bang for the buck then Im all for it.
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I heard the rubicon sticker makes you unable to get stuck anywhere.
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I heard the rubicon sticker makes you unable to get stuck anywhere.
Yep. Read this in JP magazine. It's a fact.

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