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Old 08-13-2006, 11:19 PM   #1
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Looking to buy a tj (need advice)

I am in the market for a TJ, but I am thinking I should wait until the 07 comes out. Do you guys think the prices of the Tj will fall once the 07 comes out? And when will the new wrangler be hitting dealerships. Thanks, first post by the way.

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I think it depends upon how old a TJ you are looking for. I doubt a 2001 or older will fall very much, for instance.

A 2006, naturally, will fall the hardest since the '07 is such a big design change, and because the '06 has further to fall than an '01, for instance.

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I am in the market for a TJ, but I am thinking I should wait until the 07 comes out. Do you guys think the prices of the Tj will fall once the 07 comes out? And when will the new wrangler be hitting dealerships. Thanks, first post by the way.

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Hopefully the new 07 JK will make the TJ's go up in value.
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Hopefully the new 07 JK will make the TJ's go up in value.
Doubtful. Remember how the YJ's value took a dive after the release of the TJ?
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The yj may have suffered but everyone i talk to says they hate the new jeep. The yj and tj were very different ie--suspension, headlights and interior, but very much the same if that makes sense. This new jeep has alot of what the tj has. Blu and i have talked about the new jeep on another thread and pretty much everyone agreed that this new jeep is a true mall krawler. I saw some lady about 45 years old driving one the other day with the top down and i did wave to her but my wife and i both agreed that see looked rediculous. It looks more liberty than anything else.
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The yj may have suffered but everyone i talk to says they hate the new jeep. The yj and tj were very different ie--suspension, headlights and interior, but very much the same if that makes sense. This new jeep has alot of what the tj has. Blu and i have talked about the new jeep on another thread and pretty much everyone agreed that this new jeep is a true mall krawler. I saw some lady about 45 years old driving one the other day with the top down and i did wave to her but my wife and i both agreed that see looked rediculous. It looks more liberty than anything else.
i have a really dumb question. if the 2007 isn't out yet how did you see a lady driving one around?. i'm probably going to look like an idiot but thought i'd ask anyway.

also looks like a 2007 or perhaps 2006 are going to be my options. although granted the 2007 doesn't look so good what about mechanically. you've mention a comparision between the two versions and i wondered (very generally) what it is you feel makes the 2007 mechanically inferior?

thanks for the help.
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There are a few (more in some areas, like here in Detroit, than others) '07 Wranglers driving around, both 2 and 4 door versions. I had a chance to crawl around in both at the Jamborees this year, and at another more local event, and I think that they could be a good Jeep. They are considerably bigger (especially the 4 door) than the TJ's, and have more plastic on the exterior, but I like the interior. If they put a Hemi in the 4 door, I would have to consider one of those for a build... Could be lots of fun for a family trail truck!
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Thanks for the tips. I am looking at something in the 2001-2003 area. I really like the x version. It sounds like prices may not go down that much, so I should consider just buying one now. I found a silver 2003 for about 13,000 with 65,000 miles on it. Does that sound like a decent starting price? Maybe get it down to 11,500. Thanks again
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i have the x model and love it...and i also was wondering how you saw the jk when there not out until it was explained ...i personally think that the jk is ugly...and it has the not as reliable 3.8 minivan engine so i personally would get a tj
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The JK is quite competent off road, but will mostly be bought first by young girls to run around and look "hot" in.

Eventually folks wanting new 4WD vehicles will buy them. Our society equates old with less desirable, so even if the TJ IS superior in some ways, it will be looked at as "passe" by the masses, and the masses are the ones the car companies are interested in.

Our economy encourages discarding the old and adopting the new so business can keep selling newer crap. Madison Ave. (advertisers) do a GREAT job of indoctrinating consumers to go along.

The TJ will be in the dust bin of history except to those who value them for their decent abilities, good torque producing engine, and retro looks (since the JK is so different). Thankfully, Jeepers tend to keep their rides alive, so a good supply of parts will be available for decades to come (if the CJ2 through CJ5 are any indication) as long as Jeeps stay popular and there is enough gasoline to run them at reasonable prices.

Hell, my kids don't even know when WWII happened (despite my best efforts to educate them), so the herritage thing is about worthless to the 20-something group. If it isn't on a video game, or can't be text messaged on a cell phone, it's "nowhere."

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not to hijack this string but thanks for the input. sounds like mechanically the 2007 is fine, a bit ugly, but what the heck if i can't get a tj it'll have to do. must be kind of weird to see one coming down the street.

will be interesting to see how a "minivan" engine works in a jeep.
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Pardon me if I'm an idiot, but...

It seems to me that someone looking for a jeep to "build" and take off road would still prefer to buy a tj, or a yj for that matter. I certainly can't see paying 25-30k for a vehicle, putting more into it, and then rolling it.

If you want to have the image of a jeeper, but never take your vehicle off road, then go ahead and spend the bucks up front.
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Pardon me if I'm an idiot, but...

It seems to me that someone looking for a jeep to "build" and take off road would still prefer to buy a tj, or a yj for that matter. I certainly can't see paying 25-30k for a vehicle, putting more into it, and then rolling it.

If you want to have the image of a jeeper, but never take your vehicle off road, then go ahead and spend the bucks up front.
i agree...theres no need to spend that much money on a new jeep if its gonna be mostly a trail rig thats gonna see a lot of damage...but like he said, if you want the jeeper image but dont wheel then go ahead and buy the JK
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Pardon me if I'm an idiot, but...

It seems to me that someone looking for a jeep to "build" and take off road would still prefer to buy a tj, or a yj for that matter. I certainly can't see paying 25-30k for a vehicle, putting more into it, and then rolling it.

If you want to have the image of a jeeper, but never take your vehicle off road, then go ahead and spend the bucks up front.
When I bought my Rubicon (new on Halloween of 2002) it was my daily driver, but I wasn't afraid to wheel it. I actually had my first roll in it when she was only 8 months old. Insurance was definitely my friend on that one. And when I had the time/money (mostly money) to do the long arm kit and 35's that it is running on now, I have never had an easier time getting bolts out of the frame and all of the suspension components out without cutting bolts! Was great! The reason that I bought a brand new $27,000 vehicle to build and mod is that it seemed like a good platform to start a trail vehicle on. Having a warranty on a vehicle that you wheel on moderate to difficult trails is weird feeling, but very comforting at the same time. And I wasn't just trying to "have the image of a Jeeper" when I rolled off the lot with a big, dumb grin (according to my buddy that dropped me off) in my new Rubicon.

Edit: If you are looking at the JK for a build, it may take a year or 2 for the aftermarketi companies to catch up with the mods, but that would give you time to figure out your driving capabilities first! Good luck on your decision!
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When I bought my Rubicon (new on Halloween of 2002) it was my daily driver, but I wasn't afraid to wheel it. I actually had my first roll in it when she was only 8 months old. Insurance was definitely my friend on that one. And when I had the time/money (mostly money) to do the long arm kit and 35's that it is running on now, I have never had an easier time getting bolts out of the frame and all of the suspension components out without cutting bolts! Was great! The reason that I bought a brand new $27,000 vehicle to build and mod is that it seemed like a good platform to start a trail vehicle on. Having a warranty on a vehicle that you wheel on moderate to difficult trails is weird feeling, but very comforting at the same time. And I wasn't just trying to "have the image of a Jeeper" when I rolled off the lot with a big, dumb grin (according to my buddy that dropped me off) in my new Rubicon.

Edit: If you are looking at the JK for a build, it may take a year or 2 for the aftermarketi companies to catch up with the mods, but that would give you time to figure out your driving capabilities first! Good luck on your decision!
well i guess this makes sense too...you will have to decide what your budget and what your using your rig for
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It doesn't matter what kind you buy. It is how you use it and what you want to do with it. People complain about the 2007's just like they did when the TJ's came out or the Rubi. I remember hearing how TJ's sucked ass and Rubi's were bought not built. Everybody is different and has different ideas of what makes a good jeep. How many out there drove the 2007 and yet are so quick to bash it? Only thing different I would like to see in the 2007 is a diesel engine. If you can afford the 2007 or only a 2000 get it just make sure it has at least a 6 cyl. in it and a d44 in the rear. I have a 2001 sport with a 4in. lift and a lock-right rear diff and love it.
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Heres a question, why would you like to see the jk in a diesel mud707? What are the advantages? Its not like fuel is any cheaper! Is it just to say you have a diesel? I never have driven the 07 and still think its ugly!
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lol i think its soooo ugly...and i've never thought that about tj's!
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Same here, never thought the tj's, yj's, or cj's were ugly!!! This one takes the cake.
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Hi! I know this is weird for a first post, but...

It will definitley be interesting to see what the JK does to the retail value of the TJ. Right now, the trade in on my 05 X is more than I owe on the loan. (I bought during the last round of employee pricing last September.) I have been reading many boards, and I believe the integrity of the TJ will remain intact. It's going to be a completely different group buying the JK. I also think that since it will be a while for the Jk to have the aftermarket following the TJ does, that will make the value of the TJ remain fairly high. (At least for now.) I have mixed feelings about the JK. I don't like the looks, but some of the new "toys" it has would be nice.
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I dont think a diesel power plant would make it any prettier, but I'd still love to see a diesel Wrangler.

I think it would be awesome to have little torque monster under the hood, not the Liberty diesel. They could have gotten so much more from a diesel. I'm talking about a relatively high displacement I-4 or 6 diesel. Too bad a Cummins is so damn big.

As far as the diesel vs. gas thing.....
Diesel fuel isn't any cheaper than regular gasoline, but what about running biodiesel or even doing a S.V.O. conversions.

I know a Wrangler diesel will not have the mileage of a Jetta TDI (50+mpg), even with a sloped grille and wierd fender flares...but it'd be better than an I-6 or V6.

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lol i think its soooo ugly...and i've never thought that about tj's!

There's a a couple things that I always thought looked odd on a TJ, actually. I'm not knocking them, but I wouldv'e liked to see some things different.

There's a couple things on the YJ that strike me funny appearance wise, too. So I'm not prejudiced.

No Jeep has ever looked stranger than the YJ Renegade. If you own one, I apologize, but your Jeep is ugly.
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Yeah, the YJ Renegades were fugly.
Another one that I find just plain disturbing, because its so ugly, was the Landrunner TJ. (insert gagging smiley face here)
At least the Landrunner wasn't a factory edition jeep...though every dealer around had at least 10 of them on the lots back around Y2K.
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The 07's are ugly if you ask me. I hate the corney new fog lites. I would look for a 2006 leftover in a few months.
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I went to the stealership last week and the rubicons were running 24K with the employee pricing. The guy said they would be cheeper due to the new models coming out. Thats not even negotiating with them, also carmax has 06 se for like 16K. I wouldn't go with a 4cyl but thats me...
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I agree on all points.

"Traditional" Jeep folks will see the TJ as the end-of-the-line (in more ways than looks, but factory origins, etc., as well)

It WILL be a while before after-market stuff is available, so the TJ will be more "Trail Rated" overall, even if the JK is better out of the box (unknown at present).

I think the looks will put off a lot of buyers who LIKE the herritage factor of the TJ. Even though the YJ is more traditional (leaf springs), the TJ just looks more "right" so it caught on despite the "alien" suspension and complicated electronics (which are totally out of sight until it breaks on you).

To be honest, I've been thinking of finding a REALLY nice CJ-2 or 3 (with possibly a CJ5 driveline) to replace my TJ for general running around and mild off-road use, and I would NEVER consider a JK.

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It will definitley be interesting to see what the JK does to the retail value of the TJ. I have been reading many boards, and I believe the integrity of the TJ will remain intact. It's going to be a completely different group buying the JK. I also think that since it will be a while for the Jk to have the aftermarket following the TJ does, that will make the value of the TJ remain fairly high. (At least for now.) I have mixed feelings about the JK. I don't like the looks, but some of the new "toys" it has would be nice.
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I'd bet money that the delay in the JK's being shipped is coming from the fact that people are waiting for them to come out so TJ's aren't selling as well right now.

I'm not too keen on the JK, but I want to see it up close and drive one and stomp on it in 4Lo to see what that V-6 is going to do before I make my final judgement.

However I wouldn't mind having those new Dana 44's under my rig. About a half inch wider with a High Pinion front. Oh, and throw in the bigger ring gear and 32 spline shafts also makes that the best axle that Jeep has ever put in the wrangler.
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I'd bet money that the delay in the JK's being shipped is coming from the fact that people are waiting for them to come out so TJ's aren't selling as well right now.

I'm not too keen on the JK, but I want to see it up close and drive one and stomp on it in 4Lo to see what that V-6 is going to do before I make my final judgement.

However I wouldn't mind having those new Dana 44's under my rig. About a half inch wider with a High Pinion front. Oh, and throw in the bigger ring gear and 32 spline shafts also makes that the best axle that Jeep has ever put in the wrangler.
As soon as they put a Hemi in them ( like all the "rumors" say), I am going to try to figure out how to tow with one so I can tow my Jeep with a topless, doorless tow rig!!!
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As soon as they put a Hemi in them ( like all the "rumors" say), I am going to try to figure out how to tow with one so I can tow my Jeep with a topless, doorless tow rig!!!
are they still making the doors to where there easy to come off...does the top still come completely off?...i heard they made the hard top in pieces

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