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Old 05-21-2012, 10:00 AM   #1
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Loose steering after 4" lift.

Hey guys just acquired my 2000 TJ Saharah and it has a brand new 4" skyjacker lift that the PO had put on. He stated the only thing wrong with it is that after he had the lift put on he had a little loose steering in it. I drove it for the first time for a long distance and it is a little fight to keep it straight. It feels like the wind is blowing really bad while driving even if there is no wind. Everything looks and feels tight just wondering if it is because of the lift and if there is any way to correct it. He also had the alignment done as well.

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Old 05-21-2012, 10:13 AM   #2
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Try the ball joints and get all the tires re balanced and re aligned....it should be just fine if not it might be the front tie rod......

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It also couldn't hurt to get a beefed up steering stabilizer
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Old 05-21-2012, 10:31 AM   #4
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Ahhhh good call forgot all about that
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Old 05-21-2012, 11:59 AM   #5
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Sounds like bump steer to me.. Research what causes bump steer
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Try the ball joints and get all the tires re balanced and re aligned....it should be just fine if not it might be the front tie rod......
That's not it.
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It also couldn't hurt to get a beefed up steering stabilizer
That's also not it.
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Sounds like bump steer to me.. Research what causes bump steer
Warmer.

You probably have a dropped pitman arm but unless you post a straight-on shot of the front end, I won't know for sure. And FYI, there's nothing positive about Skyjacker. That company still doesn't understand link suspension at all.
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Old 05-21-2012, 12:34 PM   #7
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I agree on the dropped pitman arm...most lift kits come with them, and most people that put them on take it off fast and put the OEM back on. If you don't have the original from the PO, then best shot is an auto yard...even brand new they are not expensive but probably $10 from the auto salvage. Did the same thing on my 03 rubicon when we put 4" lift kit-came with a dropped pitman, and I didn't keep it on for 2 weeks-luckily I had saved the original.
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Old 05-21-2012, 12:56 PM   #8
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That's not it.

That's also not it.

Warmer.

You probably have a dropped pitman arm but unless you post a straight-on shot of the front end, I won't know for sure. And FYI, there's nothing positive about Skyjacker. That company still doesn't understand link suspension at all.
This is the lift that is on it.

Item #TJ401BPH-R / Skyjacker Suspensions

It comes with the dropped pitman and I'm positive that it is installed. I don't think the PO will have the original due to it having a 2.5 lift on it when he bought the jeep.
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was thinking about a lift. Good to know about SkyJacker
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Just to add another experience...
PO had dropped pitman on mine when i bought it. It drove so bad i was scared to get on hihgway. Definetly a white knuckle drive. I replaced with OEM pitman and it made all the difference in the world. I can actually take hands off steering wheel now.
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Just to add another experience...
PO had dropped pitman on mine when i bought it. It drove so bad i was scared to get on hihgway. Definetly a white knuckle drive. I replaced with OEM pitman and it made all the difference in the world. I can actually take hands off steering wheel now.

Is there anything else to do other then take the dropped one off and replace with the oem? The PO told me that he doesn't think I will get it to line up with the oem one.
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Here's all that matters--the connection points for your drag link and track bar must be parallel. Right now, you've probably got a dropped pitman arm and a track bar bolting up to the stock location at the frame. So one was changed and the other wasn't. Since you DON'T WANT to drop the track bar bracket lower than it already is (many people don't get this) you NEED to keep the drag link where it is, aka stock pitman arm. Skyjacker, and several other junk companies, just don't get this and continue to uselessly provide people with drop pitman arms. Unfortunately, the majority of people even considering these companies don't understand the difference between good and bad, right and wrong, etc. and just think that crappy steering is a necessary byproduct of "being lifted." That's incorrect and fundamentally doesn't make any sense at all.

Hop onto ebay and order up a stock TJ pitman arm and once you start getting serious, get rid of the crappy SJ parts, or at least the control arms.
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Old 05-21-2012, 01:47 PM   #13
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I think manufactures add a drop pitman just because it is one more piece they make a profit on just like the waste of time one piece control arms most include with poly type bushings on both ends , just another money maker part. Dont include the junk, destructive control arms , drop pitman and add a set of caster cam adjusters for the OE lower arms and they would at least have useful parts but tat would be less parts to make a profit on. Plus they like to dazzle us with BS which to most of us is an insult to our intelligence . Maybe its my age coming out but it gets my goat when big company's take advantage of people .
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This is something that I ran into after I did my last lift. Turns out the pitman arm did not seat properly. I had to put a washer between the pitman arm and nut. Works like a charm.
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If it's darting back and forth on a smooth road, and tries to "continue" a turn rather than self-straighten, then your caster is off. With 4" lift you definitely need longer/adjustable lower control arms in the front to restore proper caster angle.
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This is something that I ran into after I did my last lift. Turns out the pitman arm did not seat properly. I had to put a washer between the pitman arm and nut. Works like a charm.
if you didn't have a drop on the frame end of the track bar mount and had a drop pitman it would of handled even better if you had the OE arm on
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With 4.5'' of lift, I needed the drop pitman arm. My drag link/tie rod were at wicked angles.

The best thing to do is get under there and have someone rock the steering wheel. That way you can look to see if anything is loose.
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then I hope you knew you needed to drop the track bar mount also and did so . Must do both to be correct
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Yupers. The adjustable track bar came with a bracket to do just that. Rubicon Express has a pretty complete kit. Well, they did before they sold off the company.
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And I'm making my posts based on the assumption that you know how to properly check and set toe and caster. If that's not the case, then I'd check that first.....but considering those arms that came with it aren't adjustable, your caster won't be too out of wack. You've got a situation of imparallel links (track bar and drag link) and you MAY have a loose or worn part in the steering linkage so do a dry steering test and individually inspect each end on the tie rod, drag link and track bar.
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It also couldn't hurt to get a beefed up steering stabilizer

All that will do is mask problems you are having. And if there is a problem, it will just wear out faster. You would be better served to find the actual cause of the problem and give it a fix. But if you wanted to fix it that way, you could consider hydro-assist steering. That is like a steering stabilizer, but on crack.
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All that will do is mask problems you are having. And if there is a problem, it will just wear out faster. You would be better served to find the actual cause of the problem and give it a fix. But if you wanted to fix it that way, you could consider hydro-assist steering. That is like a steering stabilizer, but on crack.
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Don't get caught up throwing money at an existing problem. It will save you time and your hairline later if you solve the issue without screwing in more parts just yet.

Good luck finding the culprit, but it seems like people are zeroing in on it for you. If you're not sure post a picture - it'll help people that are reading and want to know as well.
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If you are having problems with isolating the issue, I would start with the cheaper fixes and go from there. That has been my game plan of attack for years now.
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Here is a pic of my pitman arm. It doesn't look like it is seated all the way down.
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Get a buddy to help you. Turn the jeep on. Then have your buddy rock the steering wheel back and forth. You get under the jeep and watch the pitman arm. It should only turn left and right. If it rocks back and forth on the shaft when you change directions on the steering wheel you found your problem. If that is the problem, I can show you my fix.
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While that 'could' be an issue (highly doubtful if the nut is torqued down good and tight), I can clearly see the real issue. Stock track bar bolted up in the stock location combined with a dropped pitman arm. That provides true, world-class sucky steering to put it into simple terms.
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While that 'could' be an issue (highly doubtful if the nut is torqued down good and tight), I can clearly see the real issue. Stock track bar bolted up in the stock location combined with a dropped pitman arm. That provides true, world-class sucky steering to put it into simple terms.

It does happen. I had to put a washer between the nut and the pitman arm. I could torque down the nut and it would be fine until I went wheeling. Then it would loosen a little. And I would have about a quarter turn of the steering wheel before the wheels would turn. The washer fixed it right up. I have not ever seen it before. But I went through every bolt in the steering, and track bar. All new bushings and tie rod ends. And it turned out it was the pitman arm.
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I know, I saw you say that earlier. Like I said, possible but improbable. I've never seen it happen and I've been around a few steering boxes.

The OP needs to do the dry steering test. That should be done before ever making a thread--and if it was, these threads would probably never pop up.
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Yup, I mentioned it because I had not seen it either. I could have saved lots of time and money by starting there. This all happened while I was driving the jeep 70 miles a day minimum.

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