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Old 11-17-2012, 08:41 PM   #1
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Lubricants grades?

Hi everyone, I am relatively new to TJ ownership and have just carried out my first full service. When checking with the local autoparts store I was informed engine required a 10W/30 grade oil which I have used. However my gut feeling is for something better??
I run a 1999 TJ with 165,000km with 4.0L engine, 32H Three speed trans, Dana 30 front axle and Dana 44 rear axle with LSD.
My question is what do you, and Jeep, recommend for correct lubricants and what quantity is needed for each part.
Engine.
Trans.
Transfer case.
Front axle.
Rear axle.
I am even considering synthetic for next change? What is your opinion on the change, is it worthwhile? I main aim is to get as much trouble free motoring as possible as it is my daily driver.

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Old 11-18-2012, 09:36 AM   #2
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My last oil change switched to Mobil 1 (10w-30) and I only used WIX filters. It seems to me that it runs smoother and also starts easier. Have been using Castrol GTX. (2006 Wrangler X, 6 speed with 59,000 miles)

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Old 11-18-2012, 10:27 AM   #4
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I was told to switch to 5w30, from 10w30 a long time ago. I use high mileage Valvoline, or Castrol most of the time. I might switch to synthetic after I reach 150,000 miles. Wix filters. Fram has paper end caps, and such....
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Fram has paper end caps...
That's the tired age-old rumor but the Fram filters that don't have steel end caps use a synthetic fiber for their end caps, not paper or cardboard. It just looks like cardboard. Fram uses that material because it flexes with the synthetic filter media so the two don't separate where they are glued together.

Oil filter wise, I'm happy with AC-Delco Duraguard, Fram ToughGuard, Purolator PureOne, Wix, and Mopar. What may surprise some is that the Fram ToughGuard with its 99% filtration efficiency is actually an extremely high quality filter and it actually filters better than many far more costly oil filters. I saw that first hand in a tour of Fram's testing lab last year. I didn't believe that before I saw the test results with my own eyes and saw how they test & compare all the major filter brands & models on their test floor. The ToughGuard outperformed most of them... really. I used to be a Fram hater, no more.

Coljag, first make sure to use nothing but a major brand of ATF+4 in your transmission. If it doesn't specifically say ATF+4 in big letters on the front of the bottle, it's the wrong stuff.

In your axles, the exact viscosity of gear lube is not critical, just make sure it has a GL-5 rating which is required by the axle. For most of us, 70W-80, 80W-90, or 75W-90 is fine. If you tow a trailer, a heavier viscosity like 80W-120, 85W-140 is fine. 99% of the gear lubes you find on the store shelves will have the "friction modifier" additive required by your rear axle's limited slip differential. You can verify that on the back label by finding words to the effect (or close to) 'Compatible with limited slip differentials'... which means it has the required additive. Personally, I prefer a conventional gear lube in my axles but a synthetic is ok too. Use the same gear lube in both axles, the presence of the friction modifier additive is fine for the front axle even though it doesn't have a limited slip differential.

Any good major brand of engine oil is fine... I prefer Valvoline 10W-30 but Castrol, Mobil, Shell, Havoline, Pennzoil, etc. are all fine. Even Walmart motor oil is fine, it is made for Walmart by Valvoline. There are no bad choices of engine oil if you stick with the major brands, all will do a superb job of protecting your engine providing you do regular oil and filter changes.

The transfer case also requires ATF, and it's not fussy at all... any ATF is fine, you can use the same ATF+4 in it that your transmission requires.

Regarding synthetics... I use them in my power steering and transmission (ATF+4 is a synthetic), but I wouldn't use it in my engine except in the winter if I lived where it got extremely cold. Today's conventional engine oils work fine in temperate conditions and cost less.

Hope that helps.
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That's the tired age-old rumor but the Fram filters that don't have steel end caps use a synthetic fiber for their end caps, not paper or cardboard. It just looks like cardboard. Fram uses that material because it flexes with the synthetic filter media so the two don't separate where they are glued together.
Hope that helps.
In my automotive college class, we didn't see it that way after we saw a cut open version of the Fram filter, vs others. There was another filter that did it that way, but I can't remember which one it was.
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In my automotive college class, we didn't see it that way after we saw a cut open version of the Fram filter, vs others.
I can't help what you think you saw in your automotive class. As I said, it might have looked like cardboard but it wasn't. Obviously neither cardboard nor paper will hold up to hot oil under pressure.
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I can't help what you think you saw in your automotive class. As I said, it might have looked like cardboard but it wasn't. Obviously neither cardboard nor paper will hold up to hot oil under pressure.
I'll stick with staying away from Fram, until they do what everyone else does.
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I'll stick with staying away from Fram, until they do what everyone else does.
Which is what? They already have models like the ToughGuard and UltraGuard with steel end caps if that's what you mean/require.
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Which is what? They already have models with steel end caps if that's what you mean/require.
Which models? Set me down, and physically show me. Cut it open, and etc... other than that I buy Wix, which is made in America too.
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I added the models that use steel end caps above... ToughGuard & UltraGuard both use steel end caps, both have 99% filtration efficiency, and both use silicone antidrainback valves. Incidentally... Wix makes a superb oil filter but by contrast, the Wix 51085 which is their recommended oil filter for the 4.0L engine only has something like 95-95.6% filtration efficiency using a 20 micron standard which is more like Fram's less costly ExtraGuard and DuraGuard filters that have a 95% filtration efficiency.

Incidentally... Wix shows their filtration meda for the 51085 to be paper so there's more to what makes a good filter than just one or two characteristics. http://www.wixfilters.com/Lookup/Par...spx?Part=51085
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the Wix 51085
Hmmm. That number looks familiar for some reason. Everyone buys Fram anyway. I'll give my money to help keep Wix alive.

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