m/t's or lockers? - Jeep Wrangler Forum
Jeep Wrangler Forum

Go Back   Jeep Wrangler Forum > TJ Jeep Wrangler Forum > TJ General Discussion Forum

Join Wrangler Forum Today


Reply
 
Thread Tools

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on WranglerForum.com
Old 08-17-2008, 07:36 PM   #1
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 138
m/t's or lockers?

now that my roomate has a rubicon unlimited im rethinking what i should get next for my jeep. hes rubicon is awsome in the mud. front and rear lockers and some basic bfg m/t's really push thru some crazy mud.

my jeep right now has 33 pro comp all terrians, and the dpg ultiment kit. its pretty weak in the mud. im wondering what would get me further on a muddy washed out trail...front lockers, or mud terrians?

as far as lockers go im getting the super 30 with an arb locker. iv read a million debates about lockers,axles etc and im set on this.

mud terrians im open to opinions. i like aggresive tread, loud on the street doesnt bother me. but this is my DD so i want a mud tire that can withstand high milage. how many miles can i get out of a m/t? and i should rotate them every 3,000 miles right?
some of the tires that catch my eye are, the super swamper line, dick cepek crusher, mickthompson mtz.

slippy is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-17-2008, 07:45 PM   #2
Jeeper
 
solo97tj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: mansfield,ohio
Posts: 405
rotate them every oil change i have MTZ's and they rock on and off road so far and for mud they are great

solo97tj is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-17-2008, 08:25 PM   #3
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 298
I'd say get lockers first.

I like BFG MTs for a strictly mud tire. I've never had my MTZs in mud, but I'd suggest just using them in mud. The traction is good, but they don't hold up well in the rocks.

ChrisTX is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-17-2008, 08:34 PM   #4
Jeeper
 
tj1230's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Riverdale, UT
Posts: 151
If it were me I would get locked first.

If you plan to go the other way, BFG KM2 is coming out with all the right sizes in september. *(including 33x12.5x15)
My BFG M/T's KM1 went 40k and still looked brand new! Yeah I agree, I rotate mine every 2-3k.

Just a thought!
tj1230 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-17-2008, 08:50 PM   #5
Newb
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Birmingham, AL
Posts: 2
Try Destination M/T's

Take a look at Firestone Destination M/T's - Get an alignment when you install them and then rotate every 5 to 8K and these should last 40 - 45K without a problem. Great in the Mud!
05ruby is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-18-2008, 05:43 AM   #6
IITYWTMWYBMAB

WF Supporting Member
::WF Administrator::
 
4Jeepn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Florence, KY
Posts: 10,096
Images: 5
Between the two... front locker.
__________________
79.96.85.00.01.97.00.97.93.97.95.94
CJ.XJ.CJ. TJ. TJ.ZJ. TJ.TJ. ZJ.ZJ.YJ. XJ
4Jeepn is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-18-2008, 06:21 AM   #7
Jeeper
 
rketr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 870
Agreed...locker.

I don't do mud, but noticed a HUGE difference on the rocks when I put in the front locker (already had the rear).
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by tiny terror View Post
I curse like a drunk sailor
Obama -> The Presidency to Nowhere
rketr is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-19-2008, 06:59 AM   #8
Jeeper
 
Sb5551's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: South Philadelphia
Posts: 2,077
I put the Dunlap Mud Rovers on my Jeep and I love them. According to the reviews on Tire Rack, they last a long time if taken care of properly. They are amazing in the mud, too.

Then again, nothing beats the feeling of driving home from the shop the first time with my detroit in the rear. This thing is unstoppable.
__________________
No more jeep for now
But I have free kandy and kittens in the back of my van


Sb5551 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-19-2008, 11:03 AM   #9
Jeeper
 
GrnTJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Pinckney, Michigan
Posts: 1,497
Send a message via AIM to GrnTJ
Lock it up before the tires. Your going to get a much more noticeable difference from that than tires imo.
__________________
99' TJ-SOLD

Without a Jeep for now...
GrnTJ is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-19-2008, 11:25 AM   #10
Jeeper
 
nicolas-eric's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Hamburg, Germany
Posts: 5,877
Send a message via ICQ to nicolas-eric Send a message via AIM to nicolas-eric Send a message via MSN to nicolas-eric Send a message via Yahoo to nicolas-eric
first buy some MTs.

after i installed 2 ARB airlockers with my BFG ATs i was very disappointed. the ATs were too bad to drive to places where a locker would be needed. with the MTs there was a big difference.
nicolas-eric is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-19-2008, 12:00 PM   #11
Knows a couple things...

WF Supporting Member
 
Jerry Bransford's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Escondido, Calif.
Posts: 31,834
Images: 2
So long as it's a very tough trail with lots of uneven areas, I'll take any Jeep further with lockers and street tires than I could with the gnarliest offroad tires and no locker. The only time more aggressive tires will win out over lockers is if the trail is gentle with no uneven surfaces so all four tires can remain in contact, or perhaps in deep mud or deep snow.
__________________
Remember that having a different opinion doesn't also require one to be a jerk when expressing it.

When you have a choice, buy American.

Jerry Bransford is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-24-2008, 09:25 PM   #12
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 138
iv been wheelin alot since i made this post. my roomates with lockers and MT's really enlightend me. we did some tests and this is what iv seen.
without his lockers our jeeps were comparible. there was no major diffrence in MUD prowess besides that MT's will not slide as much thru the mud. we were on a very tilted trail with mud and i kept sliding down. hes MT's would keep grip much better.
with his lockers he could plow thru some pretty wild mudholes. without them on he would get stuck just like me.

iv asked around aswell, and the opinion around here is lockers first unless your getting some sort of serious bogger tires.

could someone explain to me what a limited slip is? worth buying?
lockers vs limited slip?
is it like a locker but in standerd 4wheel-High, instead of 4wheel-low?
slippy is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-24-2008, 09:33 PM   #13
Jeeper
 
4.0l sahara's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: shelton,ct
Posts: 2,228
__________________
99 sahara
4.0/np231/ax15/d30/d35
flowmaster40,hpd30 with aussie locker,currie upper joints,4.88's, lca skids,chromo shafts,vanco brakes,d35 with super 35 and arb locker,re 4.5" springs,currie arms,re front uppers,Re shocks in back,walkerevens shocks up front, Re track bars with currie jj joints,anti rock,ss brake lines,re rear sway bar links,jks 1.25" bl and mml,bfg 35x12.5 km2's,craiger soft 8's,ome steering stabilizer,currie hd steering,rockmen front bumper,emp tank skid,lots more too.
4.0l sahara is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-24-2008, 09:39 PM   #14
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,473
Lockers for sure.

The tires that get the big mileages have hard rubber, not much good in the rocks where you need "grip."

I love my MTR's, but they suck in the mud. Mileage is short, only 15-20k. But in the rocks they can't be beat! Hard to hurt one too.

In about 55,000 miles, I've gone through 3 sets -- $$$$!
__________________
It's no wonder the country is falling apart - stupidity abounds!
rrich is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-25-2008, 12:29 AM   #15
Knows a couple things...

WF Supporting Member
 
Jerry Bransford's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Escondido, Calif.
Posts: 31,834
Images: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by rrich View Post
Lockers for sure.

The tires that get the big mileages have hard rubber, not much good in the rocks where you need "grip."

I love my MTR's, but they suck in the mud. Mileage is short, only 15-20k.
Either you're not taking reasonable care of your MT/Rs or the stars and the moon are in alignment to get you. I got over 40K out of my first set of 35" MT/Rs and my second set of 35" MT/Rs have well over 25K miles on them and there's still plenty of tread left on them. I do nothing unusual to care for mine other than the bare basics due any tire like keeping them balanced and rotated every 5K miles.
__________________
Remember that having a different opinion doesn't also require one to be a jerk when expressing it.

When you have a choice, buy American.

Jerry Bransford is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-25-2008, 12:58 AM   #16
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,473
Maybe I replace them much earlier than you. I replace them when the tread is low, not down to smooth or the cords. I've only ripped apart 2 MTR's. Considering their usage, that's great.

I give the used ones to kids building their first rigs.
__________________
It's no wonder the country is falling apart - stupidity abounds!
rrich is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-25-2008, 10:59 AM   #17
Knows a couple things...

WF Supporting Member
 
Jerry Bransford's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Escondido, Calif.
Posts: 31,834
Images: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by rrich View Post
Maybe I replace them much earlier than you. I replace them when the tread is low, not down to smooth or the cords.
Nope, not at all... all five MT/Rs I replaced had plenty of tread left, they weren't even close to being worn smooth. I never wait that long either, I value my life too much. I hang with guys who pretty much all run MT/Rs and I've never heard of anyone getting the low mileage you claimed to have gotten out of yours. With two sets of MT/Rs under my belt that see plenty of sharp rocks, and get just the usual care (balancing and rotations every 5K miles), I have a hard time believing anyone who takes the usual minimal care of their MT/Rs would get anywhere even close to the low mileage on them you claimed. There are just too many of us locals running them out in the local deserts getting good mileage out of them. I've cut one competely through the sidewall on Sledgehammer in Johnson Valley but that's it.
__________________
Remember that having a different opinion doesn't also require one to be a jerk when expressing it.

When you have a choice, buy American.

Jerry Bransford is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-25-2008, 01:05 PM   #18
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,473
He He - Obviously your experience is much different than mine, or should I say "ours."
I have the receipts for mine to show how short they last.
Sledgehammer -- I think it was on one of the Hammers that I killed a sidewall on an MTR. I live right down the street from the Hammers in Landers, about 12 miles away.

I remember plainly once I had on new BFG AT's on my Tracker going across the lake and one self destructed.

That's a good playground now, while it lasts. Looks like we may lose it though.
__________________
It's no wonder the country is falling apart - stupidity abounds!
rrich is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-25-2008, 02:03 PM   #19
Knows a couple things...

WF Supporting Member
 
Jerry Bransford's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Escondido, Calif.
Posts: 31,834
Images: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by rrich View Post
That's a good playground now, while it lasts. Looks like we may lose it though.
Lots of us are working that JV issue hard, hopefully the USMC will listen.

__________________
Remember that having a different opinion doesn't also require one to be a jerk when expressing it.

When you have a choice, buy American.

Jerry Bransford is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Jeep Wrangler Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Aussie Lockers?? Anything Cheaper than ARB? Timberman TJ General Discussion Forum 15 11-12-2008 06:07 PM
Calling all gear heads!! Lockers!! Timberman TJ General Discussion Forum 13 10-04-2008 11:48 AM
non-selectable lockers and snow MoA TJ General Discussion Forum 6 05-06-2008 09:54 PM
Lockers Info Needed SoCal Climber TJ Tech Forum 17 06-26-2007 08:06 PM
Lockers? whitebuffalo General Jeep Discussion 16 07-05-2005 05:22 PM



» Featured Product

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:52 PM.



Jeep®, Wrangler, Liberty, Wagoneer, Cherokee, and Grand Cherokee are copyrighted and trademarked to Chrysler Motors LLC.
Wranglerforum.com is not in any way associated with the Chrysler Motors LLC