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Old 01-08-2014, 08:11 AM   #31
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Hopefully you are using "sunk" as a figure of speech... You should never use the clutch if your undercarriage is under the water line.
... Sigh... "not worry about not being able to use the clutch when operating in high liquid" should make it more clear Trying not to use so many negatives in my original sentence because it sounds funny, but apparently can be misread. I've definitely seen the tons o threads about not using the clutch when sunk.

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Old 01-08-2014, 11:25 AM   #32
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My brother owns a drivers ed teaching center, he is the one who knows all the stats. Same goes for motorcycle drivers, they are typically better drivers than non motorcycle drivers because to drive manual, it requires you to be more aware of your situation. I.E when to shift up, when to shift down ect. ( therefore it requires the driver to pay attention. ) compared to auto you just put your foot on the gas and go. ( doesn't require as much attention) Also, of course they are making more autos today. Most people nowadays don't know how to drive a stick. The only people who can are the 40 + yet olds or the young drivers who have a desire to learn how. Driving manual is a skill that not everyone has. Now, I'm not throwing auto drivers under the bus, i had a auto before the jeep I have now, and it was nice to drive especially at 5AM in the morning on my way to work. Lol I will not argue that autos are easier, they are definitely easier.
I've heard that with bikes to. With them not being protected they can be an easy target of someone not seeing them. Let me ask you this: people who drive a stick, again so I've heard, that if you can drive and control a dirtbike you can drive anything? My husband first learned on a stick and now he has an auto. He still prefers a stick

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Old 01-08-2014, 12:48 PM   #33
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Auto for wheeling,5 sp on the street
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Old 01-08-2014, 01:27 PM   #34
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I've only been driving manual for 2 years... it changes the whole driving experience and took me a lot of getting used to.

In heavy highway traffic, you have to pay attention to a lot more around you, and be ready to downshift at any given moment when things get sketchy. All of then sudden I was no longer staring at the car right in front of me, but observing the ones 100 cars down.

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Old 01-08-2014, 01:39 PM   #35
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I have wheeled both stick and autos and, at least in Florida (mud) the automatic is simply a better vehicle.
When you need to rock your rig out of a hole, an automatic is much better then the manual.
In the end however; as long as you are getting dirty, thats all that really matters.
Where abouts in Florida are you? I'm in St. Augustine, if you're near by we should try and find some spots to wheel at. I've got another jeep I venture out with
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I love my auto. It's great not having to worry about where your feet are when you're on some rocks, no concerns about burning out a clutch or having one leg bigger than the other LOL
100%. I wheel with someone who has manual and anytime I pull up next to them you can smell the burnt clutch
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Logo .....if you have not already, you'll also hear those type comments about your tires, wheels, lift, gearing, radio, oil, gas, safety gear, etc....etc....etc....lol
I get flack all the time about my 31's and stock height ... But I hang right in with the "4 inch" lifter and 33's
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I prefer an Auto for off road. Why? Better control especially at slow speeds.

Also, you can easily select a gear with the Auto trans if want a specific gear.
Yes! I put mine in first and just go slow in 4wd when I need it, works great
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If hitting the trails is the primary reason you have the jeep, then I think you made a great choice with your auto.
My wife and I bought her jeep completely for trails so we love the auto, oh, and she cant drive stick LOL
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Old 01-08-2014, 01:43 PM   #36
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I've also always been in the "if it's not a stick, it's not a Jeep" school of thought. For Christmas, though, my wife signed us up for a 3 hour off-road course in WV that used JKU Rubis with autos. After that course I now fully understand why auto is preferable (not required) when off road. I still prefer a stick and since I do very little off roading it works for me, but I can appreciate why someone who does more would prefer an auto.

FWIW - Jerry at Kate's Mountain Outfitters was awesome! While my wife didn't drive (just road in the back with her eyes shut), my daughter and I had a great time going all through their trails. Had never driven IN a creek before (as opposed to through or across). While I'm lucky to have a wife that would give me that, SHE'S lucky I'm not asking for a Rubi now . . .
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Old 01-08-2014, 01:47 PM   #37
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...All of then sudden I was no longer staring at the car right in front of me, but observing the ones 100 cars down.

Still learning..
^Here! This is were the argument that a manual can help create better, more attentive drivers comes from.

The difference between driving on the street and crawling over rocks is that on rocks, you already need to be attentive. Being distracted by the clutch isn't doing you any favors.

That being said, a good manual off-road driver that moves to an automatic might have an advantage, if not a big head start.

At the end of the day and most things being equal, driver skill is what matters the most. And a good driver makes the most of the available equipment.
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Most of the serious or competitor off roaders switched to automatics years ago. Because I love rock crawling, I converted my first TJ from a five-speed to an automatic. After that TJ was stolen four years ago, I bought a replacement TJ and made sure it had an automatic.
If it had a manual it may not have been stolen.
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If it had a manual it may not have been stolen.
Flatbeds and dollies don't care what transmission you have.
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All things considered, I probably should have bought an automatic. My legs are short (clutch pedal needed modification), I deal with heavy traffic, the NSG370 6-speed is not a great transmission to begin with, and my Jeep came with crappy gearing that would have been tolerable with a torque converter. The only reason I picked a manual is because I like it a lot more in the snow. (primary reason for getting a jeep)

But now I have a greater appreciation and understanding of drivetrains and all the things that an automatic transmission does. I think everyone needs to have a manual at some point in their lives.
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Old 01-08-2014, 02:15 PM   #41
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My '05 TJ has a 6 spd stick tranny. Haven't had it but a couple of months but, so far, I think a 5 spd is plenty for a stick shift. Had a Comanche some years ago that had the in-line 6 with a 5 spd and it was totally adequate. Both my boys ran it hard when they were teenagers but all I ever had to replace was a couple of clutch discs. Often, I by-pass some of those 6 spds, starting out in 2nd, then going from 3rd to 5th, around town. 1st seems too low, almost like a 'granny gear' and 6th is just 'overdrive' for the highway, IMO.
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Stick is my pref on or offroad. You'll be going slow (low range) in the boonies anyway. The manual gives you more options....and there's no extra "concentration" needed, unless you're, like, 16 yrs old and holding your cell phone
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I've heard that with bikes to. With them not being protected they can be an easy target of someone not seeing them. Let me ask you this: people who drive a stick, again so I've heard, that if you can drive and control a dirtbike you can drive anything? My husband first learned on a stick and now he has an auto. He still prefers a stick
I have always been a firm believer that if you possess the hand/eye coordination, balance, and skill to master a dirtbike you will probably be proficient at driving anything. Now common sense, not necessarily lol.
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If it had a manual it may not have been stolen.
Remove both driveshafts and it doesn't matter what you have in the middle
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Exactly! The manual is more fun unless you are stuck in stop and go traffic but it requires more skill (clutch control and gear selection) off road particularly when crawling, rolling over obstacles or fording water.

The manual gives you more control but you have to have the smarts and skill to control it to your advantage. The manual also allows (to a point) you to use shifting to compensate for higher gear ratio (lower numerically) when you add bigger tires. It also requires more maintenance.

It's good to have a choice!
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I love my 6 speed on the road but when I go on trails I wish I had an auto. It's a pain in the ass to try to control it, even with a hand throttle.
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Old 01-08-2014, 08:19 PM   #47
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being that there are many auto trannys in the tjs what trannys do you have i have the ridiculously stupid 3 speed with no overdrive
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Many times on the trails I ride I've thought how much better it'd be if I had an auto. I don't think I'd feel the other way if it was reversed.
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Old 01-08-2014, 08:52 PM   #49
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I have wheeled both, and have to say I wanted an auto but found a heckuva deal on my TJ. It wheels fine, but I am putting in a hand throttle to use till I save up for an auto conversion. I will probably go with the Cherokee tranny....
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i have wheeled with the "its got to be a stick" crowd, all i tell them is to crawl something slower then i do without stalling... they simply cannot do it. Also i cannot recall seeing someone with an auto brake an axle its pretty much always an "expert" with a stick.
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I love driving manual on the trails... Adds to the excitement for me. However I do agree an automatic would be easier. But IMO, easier isn't always more fun, and being 18, manual is a blast for me. Plus it means most of my friends can't drive my Jeep. So I always have to
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The ones that say that are idiots. Period.

Next time you do a deep river crossing, stop half way, put your manual into reverse, go back, 10-20 feet, then shift back into 1st or 2nd and continue across, because submerged clutches really shine when you have to use them.
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Next time you do a deep river crossing, stop half way, put your manual into reverse, go back, 10-20 feet, then shift back into 1st or 2nd and continue across, because submerged clutches really shine when you have to use them.
I think you misunderstood my post.
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Old 01-09-2014, 03:16 AM   #54
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About the manual drivers being better because they pay more attention, I think that really depends on the person and that better drivers sometimes choose manuals because they can. I never knew that auto was supposed to be better offroad until today lol but i know that on the highway i have wished i had a manual for the extra gears.
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i just recently got into wheeling with my jeep and im in love. my only conceren is that my jeep is an automatic and for some reason people jump my ass about how its not wheeling if its an auto. got her when i didnt know how drive stick and i love her too much to sell or trade now. So heres my question, what is the pros/cons of each when it comes to wheeling?
Drive what makes you happy. I have a stick and I'm happy. I'm changing to a 5.3 with a auto I will just be as happy with more horsepower. I can drive both very well so I'm happy. Bottom line do what makes you happy. Guys giving guys a hard time that's just life plus you mention your new. Consider it hazing. It's a right of passage.
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Here's a question for all of you. Some vehicles have the sport shift. You can have your manual and also the auto. Would any of you be up to driving one for the trails and everyday driver?
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I love my 6spd. I also enjoy wheeling with it.
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I love my 6spd. I also enjoy wheeling with it.
That's awesome. Wheel on.
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Regarding 'sports shift', don't know if Jeep offers it. I have it in my '12 F150. I think comes with the factory tow pkg. I've had this truck in the NC & TN mountains twice and being able to manually shift up and down on those mountain roads is great. If it's in auto mode, seems like it's constantly shifting gears on it's own...like it's wearing itself out. We also tow a 24' travel trailer and, again, the ability to manually shift between all 6 forward gear ranges is a great and very useful feature. If it's offered in Jeeps, I'd be all for it.
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I've owned both and wheeled both. Is the auto easier? No doubt, no argument.

That said, when I bought my TJ, I was looking for a standard, just because I wanted one. I do that sometimes. My next one will most likely have an auto in it, once I get tired of driving the stick.

My other most favorite Jeep, a 1979 Cherokee WT, had a standard and I loved it.

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