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Old 01-10-2014, 10:16 AM   #61
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so from what i understand if off-roading auto is the way to go? that'll help me make up my mind on my purchase

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Old 01-10-2014, 10:20 AM   #62
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Most people nowadays don't know how to drive a stick. The only people who can are the 40 + yet olds or the young drivers who have a desire to learn how. Driving manual is a skill that not everyone has. Now, I'm not throwing auto drivers under the bus, i had a auto before the jeep I have now, and it was nice to drive especially at 5AM in the morning on my way to work. Lol I will not argue that autos are easier, they are definitely easier.

im one of those youngsters!! lol, im 21 and my grandpa taught me how to drive on a stick when I was 12. so I drove stick before I did a manual so I would always have the skill for later in life.

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Old 01-10-2014, 12:11 PM   #63
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I cant see how people dont learn to drive a stick. You never know when you might have to drive a stick. Even tho i love driving stick cars i love my auto for jeeping.
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Old 01-10-2014, 12:20 PM   #64
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I cant see how people dont learn to drive a stick. You never know when you might have to drive a stick. Even tho i love driving stick cars i love my auto for jeeping.
Manuals are disappearing. These days people can go their entire lives without ever having seen one. Flappy paddles are the new stick.
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Old 01-10-2014, 01:32 PM   #65
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I think that both are respectable and in my experience the guys with autos have more fun because they aren't working so hard but my jeep is stick and i love it of and on road, and its all about your driving experience, ive been driving tractors since i could reach the pedals so i have tons of clutch control practice. In the end its all what you want so have fun and happy jeeping!
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Old 01-10-2014, 02:57 PM   #66
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I personally love my stick offroad and have a previous auto. I would say the only down side is i don't like reversing uphill with a stick (3 pedals, 2 feet), but other than that, I love being able to drop the clutch on sections that need it.
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Old 01-10-2014, 02:57 PM   #67
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Manuals are disappearing. These days people can go their entire lives without ever having seen one. Flappy paddles are the new stick.
This is very true. A proper manual transmission is obsolete and so is the traditional automatic. The new gearboxes that seem to be the future is a vw design of computer controlled duel clutch stacked gearboxes.
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Old 03-19-2014, 03:17 PM   #68
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I personally love my stick offroad and have a previous auto. I would say the only down side is i don't like reversing uphill with a stick (3 pedals, 2 feet), but other than that, I love being able to drop the clutch on sections that need it.
That's what the e-brake is for.

Stick vs Auto - each have there benefits and quirks.

Autos are easier to drive and more forgiving. The torque converter takes the oops out of off-roading and if that is what you need, by all means but an auto.

Generally, with everything being equal in the ring & pinion, the stick will have a lower gear ratio (at least that is how it use to be - I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong) and will help you going down of the mountain better that the auto will. The other thing is should you run your battery down and don't have jumper cables, you can always compression start your stick Jeep where with an auto, you will be walking. Finally, I have re-build manual transmissions in my garage but would never even think about doing that with an auto.

I think it is more of a personal preference. Having sticks during my younger wheeling and muscle car days, autos since those day, I decided to go back to a stick with the Jeep (for now) just for the enjoyment of it. That is what I have in my early wheeling day and it sounded like a good place to start again.
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Everyone has their own preference, I like a stick. For me it puts the fun back into driving. I don't rock climb, I do the beach, forest trails, hill climbs and some mud and some water.
That's our terrain here in Jersey.
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The other thing is should you run your battery down and don't have jumper cables, you can always compression start your stick...
That hasn't been true with a Jeep and most cars for many years. If the battery is dead, it cannot be push or roll started. The engine won't even run for long after the cables are removed after being jump started when the battery is dead. The reason being that the alternator requires 12v from the battery before it can produce power. With a dead battery, the alternator is dead too.

To comment about your mentioning the manual transmission's 1st gear ratio typically being lower, that is technically true but not in reality. The automatic's torque converter gives what is in effect an infinitely low first gear ratio. It allows the jeep to craw as slow as desired without stalling the engine. Crawl up a really tough trail or obstacle at .1 mph without stalling the engine with an automatic? .01 mph? No problem. The auto's torque converter is nearly magical with all it does for hard core offroading.
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That hasn't been true with a Jeep for many years. If the battery is dead, it cannot be push or roll started. The engine won't even run for long after the cables are removed after being jump started when the battery is dead. The reason being that the alternator requires 12v from the battery before it can produce power. With a dead battery, the alternator is dead too.
I didn't know that. Maybe "dead" is wrong word. How about low enough it won't start your engine and the dome light was a dim orange color? I just recently experienced that and I jumped it without an issue. Drove it around and it charged the battery which was "dead" a couple days later. Now, maybe the voltage was there but the amps weren't. I don't know as I finally replaced it. After removing it, I noticed the cells by each post were nearly dry. Could I have compression started it? I don't know as it was in the garage and I had a spare battery close to jump it with.

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