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Old 05-13-2009, 12:00 AM   #1
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Manual vs Automatic for Rock crawling??

Which is better for rock crawling? manual or automatic.

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Old 05-13-2009, 12:03 AM   #2
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i gotta go with auto...

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Old 05-13-2009, 12:12 AM   #3
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I won't ever crawl without an auto. Much better control.
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Auto's are for old guys hehe. The problem with the manual is the working of the clutch and the brake along with stalling out. When you get on some crazy stuff a stick will be to hard to work. Moderate stuff I think the stick is more fun and takes more skill. When I was rock crawlin my jeep with the stick I was not using the brake but the e-brake leave it in first gear and then you basically made a auto by not using the brake pedal. But I agree a auto makes life much more easy out there.

Saying that I will always have a stick in the truck and my car!!!
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Auto's are for old guys hehe. The problem with the manual is the working of the clutch and the brake along with stalling out. When you get on some crazy stuff a stick will be to hard to work. Moderate stuff I think the stick is more fun and takes more skill. When I was rock crawlin my jeep with the stick I was not using the brake but the e-brake leave it in first gear and then you basically made a auto by not using the brake pedal. But I agree a auto makes life much more easy out there.

Saying that I will always have a stick in the truck and my car!!!
Get on some stuff like in my avatar or the pictures I always post and then come talk to me. I've seen more 3rd gear launches up waterfalls break stuff than not.
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Old 05-13-2009, 12:29 AM   #6
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Jack that is weak sauce you have in your avatar!!! MY little open open 4 banger walk right up that on stock lift! haha your totally correct auto is the way to go but I like the challenge.
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Auto for me too. So much so that I converted my Jeep from a 5-speed to an automatic last year... 99% for rock crawling reasons.
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well that sucks cuz i have a manual and am getting into rock crawling out here in utah. i've got a thumb throttle so i can worry about clutch and break only. i guess i'll just have to practice and get real good at clutching it up obstacles. i welcome the challenge.
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I have a manual... As soon as I can, I'm switching out to auto cuz I don't have enough arms and legs.

Here is my manual stuck on the trail:


What you can't see the the flurry of activity going on inside the Jeep. Legs flyin' around lookin' like the coyote trying to chase down the roadrunner, arms flapping like a wounded albatross, sweat running like OJ down the 405 and my sphincter holding me in place with a firm grip on the seat. After that, I had to give in and Jerry saved the day by winching me up. Thanks again Jerry So, yeah... Automatic!!!

Come to think of it... I need an Auto, coil springs, lockers... Oh hell, I should trade this thing off for a TJ!
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Come to think of it... I need an Auto, coil springs, lockers... Oh hell, I should trade this thing off for a TJ!
That offer was already made to you Chris, I LOVE your YJ! But, uh, that offer expired...
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That offer was already made to you Chris, I LOVE your YJ! But, uh, that offer expired...
Dang! Just my luck... A day late and a dollar short!
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i'd swap for an auto gladly in rocks.
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this is all very discouraging. Is there anyone out there that is happy crawling with a manual?
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I love crawling with the manual. Like everybody has said it is makes things harder but I like that.
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this is all very discouraging. Is there anyone out there that is happy crawling with a manual?
its not a show stopper....just given the choice.......
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Man I'm out numbered here. My first Jeep, a '93 YJ was an auto. But when I bought my '97, I decided to go manual because except for the YJ that was what I always drove. Having wheeled both, I would have to say I really prefer the manual. I recently switched my AX15 stock manual to a SM465. And I love it even more. I will have to agree with the other posters though. A auto is easier to drive. But let me give you one bit of advice that changed the way I feel about manual wheeling. Make sure you get a Hand throttle. It is basically a way to work the gas that bolts to the gear shift. So your feet can work the brake and clutch while you work the gas with your shifting hand. It will make a huge difference when you wheel.
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One of the biggest benefits to the automatic I converted to that I noticed is the added low-end torque the torque converter gives. Typical torque multiplication figures given are 2-2.5X or 2-3X more torque depending on who you talk to.

The concrete proof of that is on a particular SOCAL desert rock crawling trail I enjoy called Pumpkin Eater. The first two years I ran it with my 5-speed, 4.88 gearing, and 35" tires, I had be winched up all three of its extremely steep and tall rock waterfalls. Then with no more modifications other than having converted to the automatic last year, I made it all three waterfalls 100% effortlessly... so easy I could barely believe it was the same three but they were.

Not to mention the infinitely low 1st gear ratio/infinitely high crawl ratio that the torque converter provides.

Running the same exact Jeep with the 5-speed and then the automatic, the advantages I noticed together with the greater control from the automatic gave my TJ the same boost in its rock crawling abilities as did installing the front and rear lockers. The advantages are very real and quite dramatic. Reasons like these are why most pro competitors long-ago switched to automatics for the championship level events. I'm certainly glad I made the switch. And that's after having driven sticks for 40+ years.
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^ come on jerry you just got old and wanted to be able to drink your coffee while crawling !!!!
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^ come on jerry you just got old and wanted to be able to drink your coffee while crawling !!!!
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Auto, So you dont have to hand off the beer before saying "hey watch this"

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