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Old 01-28-2013, 09:37 PM   #31
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Post pics you dirty hippy.


Oh wait... I didn't post pics.

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Post pics you dirty hippy.
WHAT!!! That was too far. Never insult the mullet.








Pictures are only with the DPG ultimate kit.

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Old 01-28-2013, 10:07 PM   #33
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Clifford is that straight DPG Super Ultimate or are there any other contributing parts to the stance and height of your jeep. Mine is red also and that is basically exactly what i want it to look like
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Clifford is that straight DPG Super Ultimate or are there any other contributing parts to the stance and height of your jeep. Mine is red also and that is basically exactly what i want it to look like
That was the Super Ultimate kit with the DPG Trail Gunner coils.
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Any particular reason you went with the trail gunner coils instead of the ome?
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Any particular reason you went with the trail gunner coils instead of the ome?
Somebody had to be the guinea pig.
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Old 01-28-2013, 11:15 PM   #37
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Great looking TJs and great looking boxer Mr....I have a 3 year old brindle boxer my self.
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What does dpg stand for? I know what ome is.
Dirk himself has joked that it means "Dirk the Parts Guy".

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Old 01-29-2013, 01:17 PM   #39
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Here's mine. Love it! Dirk was awesome... he spent a great deal of time going over specifics, advice, etc.
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That is a big benefit to Dirk's process. Anybody can sell you a lift. Dirk takes the time to make sure you get exactly what you need.
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When I called him, he seemed very pushy towards the ultimate kit when I didn't have the money for it. He advised completely against any of his other kits except for the ultimate and super ultimate. So, I just got a 2" BDS with a body lift.
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When I called him, he seemed very pushy towards the ultimate kit when I didn't have the money for it. He advised completely against any of his other kits except for the ultimate and super ultimate. So, I just got a 2" BDS with a body lift.
I wish someone had told me years ago that spending money twice was the dumbest thing you could do. Dirk has been around TJ suspension's longer than most and wouldn't lead you to water you wouldn't want to drink.
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I understand, but I didn't have the money for the ultimate kit, and if I knew that would be the only option from him, I wouldn't have called him in the first place.

Im sure ill be happy with the BDS
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I understand, but I didn't have the money for the ultimate kit, and if I knew that would be the only option from him, I wouldn't have called him in the first place.

Im sure ill be happy with the BDS
My guess is he asked some questions about your goals & intended use, then made a (highly informed) recommendation... at least that is what he did for me.

Kudos to Dirk for not changing his tune for the sake of a few bucks. That's one way he has built his reputation in this community.
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Made some changes to mine since originally posting it. Here's the ultimate with 35's and metalcloak
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Made some changes to mine since originally posting it. Here's the ultimate with 35's and metalcloak
Nice! Can I ask what you did to get more clearance for your rear flares? They look stock, but I can't really tell from the pic. I had to trim all my flares an inch, and that was with 33" MTR-K's. 35's would have caused all sorts of clearance problems...
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I trimmed the rear flares about an 1.5" and it clears decently with 35s. I was fine with 33's and the stock rear flares. I'll eventually upgrade to the metalcloak rears which will give more, but I'm in no rush.
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I built my lift over time. Started with deluxe, but what I have now is nearer to the super ultimate kit. You CAN build it up over time, just start with a more basic kit and add the other parts as funds allow.
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I built my lift over time. Started with deluxe, but what I have now is nearer to the super ultimate kit. You CAN build it up over time, just start with a more basic kit and add the other parts as funds allow.
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I understand, but I didn't have the money for the ultimate kit, and if I knew that would be the only option from him, I wouldn't have called him in the first place.

Im sure ill be happy with the BDS

I have had the DPG "Deluxe" kit on my Jeep for 8+ years. I am using the OME HD springs (933/942) on a hardtop only Rubicon TJ. I see no need to upgrade, I have not broken any stock arms. My tires are LT305/70R16s (33X12.2") original MT/Rs.

My mods over the years include a pair of 3/4" spring spacers in front (to restore original height after adding a winch and bumper) and Air Lift 1000 airbags in back (to allow a heavy load of camping gear). Also I run two pairs of SpyderTrax wheel spacers because I like the Moab wheels. I like the soft ride of the OME kit in the daily driver role, but it still hauls everything and goes everywhere I want on Western trails.

When I bought the "Deluxe" kit I was thinking I would upgrade, but in fact I see no need to do so. It rides and handles and does not sag unless heavily loaded with gear. Then I restore ride height using the airbags.
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Old 01-30-2013, 02:06 PM   #51
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If dirk told me the deluxe was a quality kit, I most likely would have bought that, however when I called dirk, he steered me away from the deluxe saying it "wasn't complete", "geometry would be way off", and "he sells maybe 2 per year"
I wish he wouldn't be so hard pressed about the ultimate, if he woudnt have he would have a buyer of the deluxe
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If dirk told me the deluxe was a quality kit, I most likely would have bought that, however when I called dirk, he steered me away from the deluxe saying it "wasn't complete", "geometry would be way off", and "he sells maybe 2 per year"
I wish he wouldn't be so hard pressed about the ultimate, if he woudnt have he would have a buyer of the deluxe
I just went back and looked at the difference between the deluxe kit and the ultimate kit. The difference is the front track bar. YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT when you lift your rig. The deluxe kit looks like it was designed for people that already have an adjustable track bar up front.

I understand now why Dirk didn't suggest the deluxe kit. He won't let you do something wrong.
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Old 02-01-2013, 07:52 PM   #53
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Gimme some mo pics. anybody done this setup minus the mm lift??
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Old 02-02-2013, 09:58 AM   #54
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You've already got a lot of pics on this thread.. Why wouldn't you do a MML? It helps correct driveline angles and when you do a body lift the fan and fan shroud have clearance issues. It's not that difficult to install
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The facts are that with 2.5" of suspension lift, with the steering cranked all the way in one direction, I have 3/16" of space between the tire tread and the stock front anti-sway bar on one side, and 3/8" on the other. That is not even enough misalignment of the front axle to notice. (Understand that this is with "Moab" 8x16" wheels and Spydertrax wheel spacers and LT305/70R16 original MT/R's - YMMV with other wheels/tires.) I use the wheel spacers to avoid having to adjust the front steering stops to keep the tires from rubbing on the front anti-sway bar, because it would also cause the steering radius to increase. I LIKE having a tight steering radius as it helps the Jeep turn sharper in the forest or on tight trail switchbacks.

In 2004 when I bought my lift, Dirk did not have a "Super Ultimate" lift, or any springs except OME. His only more expensive lift was the "Ultimate", which had two adjustable JKS trackbars, and no suspension arms.

Also back then, the "Deluxe" lift was $849 and the "Ultimate" was $999.

If you want to know about the "geometry" Dirk was talking about, I will tell you.

First of all, the geometry problem has nothing to do with differences in trackbars - the only difference those make is how exactly you can center the axles. The rear axle is centered exactly with the Deluxe kit because of the rear trackbar drop bracket. The front axle is displaced 3/16" to one side which affects NOTHING because there is plenty of space up front. (With some of the other springs that offer 3" or 3.5" of lift, you WOULD want a front adjustable trackbar.)

The steering geometry is changed slightly by the 2.5" lift. The front axle moves away from the frame by 2.5", and as that happens the "caster angle" on the suspension changes from the stock 7 degrees to between 5.5 degrees and 6 degrees as the axle rotates down because of the spring height change. The caster angle is not adjustable on a solid axle except with adjustable length suspension arms.

In truth, the effect of the caster change means that the steering has less tendancy to self-center on the highway at speed. This was so minor a difference that I adjusted to it immediately and did not even notice after the first day.

If you wanted to correct this small problem with front steering geometry (which causes no extra tire wear or other problems) then you would need a single pair of adjustable front suspension arms, either front lowers or front uppers. You would adjust the arm length until the front axle rotates back to the stock caster angle of 7 degrees. After doing this, on a smooth highway if you release the steering wheel at highway speed, the Jeep steering wheel would return to center slightly quicker than without the caster change.

I do not even care about such a small difference to bother installing one pair of adjustrable suspension arms. But what Dirk is selling is all four pairs for double the price of the suspension kit. No thank you on that deal.
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Old 02-02-2013, 11:12 AM   #56
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It is very interesting reading different peoples opinions. Thank you Gary for posting yours.
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Old 02-04-2013, 05:46 PM   #57
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I installed my lift over the summer. It's a fantastic kit and I'm very happy with my choice. Just one word of advice, when you replace the front trackbar, do yourself a favor and go buy a new nut and bolt to attach it to the axle side. I know not everyone has this problem but my stock hardware had worn out and the bolt broke while I was going down the road. Definitely not what you want to happen. By the way I still haven't gotten to the body lift so this is just the OME lift with 33x12.50 mtr's w/ kevlar.
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Old 02-06-2013, 10:53 AM   #58
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as far as control arms go i feel like if the money is available if your gonna go bear go grizzly and do all of them

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