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Old 08-28-2013, 05:01 PM   #1
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Mud Terrain or All Terrain for snow

What is a better tread for snow? (Mud Terrain or All Terrain)
I had BFG All Terrain on my old CJ and thought they were great. Now I'm looking to put some new 33's on my Wrangler. Just wondering if Mud Terrains would be better in snow? Your thoughts?
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Some AT or all season tires will have M+S rating and will also show this on the sidewall. This indicates that their performance has met a certain threshold in mud and snow conditions. Aside from that, it's difficult to say since there are so many factors(tread pattern, size, width, etc.)

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Most mud terrains don't have any siping on the lugs. The sipes are what give you a bite on snow and ice.

If you get mud terrains, then get them siped, otherwise get some M+S rated or Extreme weather rated (Duratracs, for one, they'll have a mountain/snowflake emblem on the sidewall) all terrains.
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I got bfg alt tako in a 33 12.5 and they're good.
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The Mickey Thompson MTZ'S I had we're siped and I'm 99% certain they had the M+S rated logo.

Having said that I just swapped to BFG AT's and it's the best thing I've done to my Jeep yet, despite the hit I took on changing tyres after only 6 months!
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Old 08-29-2013, 02:10 AM   #6
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Agree with Lindel. My Rubicon came with BFG MTs and they were terrible in the snow and even dangerous on packed stuff and ice patches. I switched to Goodyear Silent Armor ATs and love them. They are quiet and fabulous on rain, snow and ice, even deep snow. If you plan more aggressive offroading you may prefer Duratracs but they don't have the mileage warranty of the Goodyears. My tire dealer said the Silent Armors are a better tire.
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I've run BFG ATs on a ZR2 truck and an XJ. They are excellent in snow, OK on ice.
If winter driving is your primary concern and you do only light offroading, AT is the way to go.
I've run BFG MT KMs on my CJ and my LJ (my DD). They are not good in snow; as said above, no siping..
I'll stay with the muds and tolerate the inferior winter performance because I need the superior offroad mud performance. Maybe my next set (KM2s) I'll try to find someone local to sipe them.

The best tire I've ever run for icy conditions was a set of Michelin Cross-Terrains I ran on the '97 ZJ. Excellent highway and foul-weather tire, and got more than 60K miles out of them!
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The Mickey Thompson MTZ'S I had we're siped and I'm 99% certain they had the M+S rated logo.

Having said that I just swapped to BFG AT's and it's the best thing I've done to my Jeep yet, despite the hit I took on changing tyres after only 6 months!
You had to change the BFG after 6 months or were you referring to the MTs?

I have had both the BFG AT and MT and depending on the snow you will see different results. All around driving i don't think the AT can be beat but in deeper or unplowed snow the MT really shine.

Both are good choices though really and i never had my MT siped and they stil ldid pretty well but on freshly plowed roads they would slide like crazy which was kind of fun once i got used to it
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What is a better tread for snow? (Mud Terrain or All Terrain)
I had BFG All Terrain on my old CJ and thought they were great. Now I'm looking to put some new 33's on my Wrangler. Just wondering if Mud Terrains would be better in snow? Your thoughts?
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Daily driver on snow covered roads?......AT tires.
Trail toy on top of many feet of snow?....MT tires.
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What is siping?
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duratrac's are a very good "best of both worlds tire"there is plenty of siping and nice beefy treadblocks and they are offset to ensure a nice "set" in the snow.maybe not the best tire when rock crawling but for trail running and beach wheeling,there very good.Just my opinion.good luck in your choice!p.s. duratrac's are also studable.
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Last mud tires I had were Super Swampers (on an F150) not great in snow (and ice in particular). Best tire for snow and ice I've had were Cooper STs, but the Duratracs I have now seem to be just as good in snow and are better in the mud.
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What is siping?
Siping is slit-like grooves in the tire that help with traction on slick surfaces. There is debate about whether it is better to buy a tire with sipes designed in or to add them by the tire dealer. MT tires have large flat surfaces that have been likened to hockey pucks on ice and packed snow. While MTs will do fine in deeper snow, the problem is getting to and from deeper snow through packed snow and ice where MTs are NG.
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Old 08-29-2013, 07:13 PM   #14
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Thanks for all the replies! That pretty much settles it for me. I've run the ATs and really like them but never had mud terrains. That is what I have now but just got the jeep. So when I get new tires it will be the ATs, I don't do much off roading. But NE Ohio has some snow. I drive 25 miles to work one way and had my Honda Passport burried up to the headlights when I couldn't see the back country road any longer!
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If you like the MT's for wheeling, and have the room to store them, there's no reason why you can't keep them for summer use.

Go to www.tirerack.com and do some tire research there. If you have a Discount Tire somewhere near you, that's an excellent place to do business with, and they will price match, even internet prices.
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For I have to disagree with most people about AT's for a winter tire. I have found MT's work best for me in winter then AT's and as for the Duratrac's they suck in the snow and the mud. The only reason why I am currently running the duratrac's is because they came with my LJ when I bought it. AT's are generally a great all round tire for most conditions and in light snow they work but people that like them can keep them.
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Wolfsbone,Im not saying you didn't have a bad experience with the duratracs,but the general consensus from people I know who have them,and most of the comments I read on the internet do not support your opinion.witch I respect.
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Laxdadof3- overall I have to agree with the remark of in general consensus they are a great all around tire, but for me at least from what I have seen they don't work me where a good MT works better. Now I know with my other jeep running Hankook's AT's I expected it not be able to grip in most mud conditions and most snow conditions. I guess I was expecting more from the Duratrac's with how much people rave about them. But it really comes down to personal preference on which tire does better in snow and mud.
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Daily driver on snow covered roads?......AT tires.
Trail toy on top of many feet of snow?....MT tires.

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I live in NH, just bought these for the winter because of the amount of heavy snow and blizzards we get up here. They should do the job. Going on my ZJ Tire Details - Discount Tire Direct
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Some AT or all season tires will have M+S rating and will also show this on the sidewall. This indicates that their performance has met a certain threshold in mud and snow conditions.
FYI: the M&S designation seen on some all-season tires has nothing to do with their actual performance in mud or snow. This designation simply means that tire's tread pattern meets a certain void-to-tread ratio. In other words, the M&S designation is simply the result of a few mathematical measurements; the tire is not required to pass any sort of performance test to earn this designation. (The idea behind this is that larger voids can more easily discharge mud and snow, which theoretically means the tire is less likely to become packed solid with mud or snow.)

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What is a better tread for snow? (Mud Terrain or All Terrain)
I had BFG All Terrain on my old CJ and thought they were great. Now I'm looking to put some new 33's on my Wrangler. Just wondering if Mud Terrains would be better in snow? Your thoughts?
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I would stick with the BFG AT KO's vs. BFG's MT for snow. Have a lot of experience with both. The AT KO's overall are better for snow, wet pavement etc, especially after some wear and tear/use has been put on the tire.
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The Goodyear duratracs are the best tire I've ever experienced in the snow and ice, over pro comp MT, BFG AT, BFG KM2, and Goodyear MTR kevlar.
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I had BFG AT's on my Fullsize Bronco, 33x12.5 15's they sucked in rain and on ice.
I now have BFG AT's on my TJ, 30x9 15's and they suck on snow or ice.
Don't like 'em, I even had 'em on my fullsize Chevy too. I thought they were pretty good on the trail (mostly muddy junk), aired down, they're not a bad tire... but on icy, or wet conditions they just aren't that great IN MY OPINION. I'm no tire testing expert, I bought them new for the "Bronc-En-Stien", and they came with the Chevy and my TJ 'cause they're cheap enough to put on before a sale. But put MT's on the Chevy and will put Goodyear Kevlar's on the TJ before winter.

Hope it helps... No offense to anyone, just my own experience...
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@jeepwayoflife... (or anyone)...
I've been trying to find the duratracs to price, but to no avail. I thought they were discontinued just because I couldn't find them on their web site... Who has them..?
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I bought mine at Discount Tire, and you should be able to find them at www.tirerack.com

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....m=325QR5WDTOWL
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mud terrains are better in light snow and deep snow.
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I used to always run BFG ATs but I now have over 50,000 on my Duratracs and they have plenty of tread left. I get them rotated at the same place that installed them and they commented on how long they've lasted. Driving on wet, icy, or snowy roads feels much safer and sure footed with my Duratracs. I'll fondly remember the previous sets of the BFGs but these are are a noticeable upgrade.
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Thanks guys..! I have heard nothing but good things about the Dura Tracs, and was worried they had stopped production, I checked the website and all I found were the Kevlars...
I appreciate it everybody

Wow, they're quite a bit less than the Kevlars too, thanks for the link..!

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